| aboyd |
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This is just a simple first-level build. Exploiter Wizard, human, 20 point buy.
Stats: All 10s except DEX 15, CON 13, INT 18.
Trait: Magical Lineage (focus: Magic Missile)
Feats: Toppling Metamagic, Extra Exploit
Exploits: Potent Magic, Energy Shield
If I've done this correctly, at first level I can cast Toppling Magic Missile and activate Potent Magic, so that I get two missiles per casting, and after inflicting damage, each missile will initiate a trip attack at +7 to the roll (3 for caster level thanks to Potent Magic, and 4 from INT).
I think that's extremely useful and helpful to a party -- on balance, possibly as good as Sleep, since it not only disables some enemies, but hurts them too. And it has no HD cap.
My question is: what did I miss? I understand that exploiter wizards are overpowered, but I maybe don't understand how much. Am I missing the forest for all the trees? Is this a situation where you all see me building this and pat me on the head and say, "Nice try kiddo, but that is totally underpowered compared to what you COULD do."
If I have failed to apply my exploits well, can you explain how to do it better? Note that I play in PFS so I don't really care about anything over level 11. I want to be good at levels 1-10 mostly.
| Under A Bleeding Sun |
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You forgot to dump strength and charisma and push your int to 20. Then put both dex and con at 14. The low carrying capacity is a little rough at low level, but thats why God created Ant Haul.
Also, exploiter wizards (probably) don't qualify for extra exploit, so expect table variation there. Instead take spell specialization and magic missile is always 2, and you can push it to 3 missiles, with a +10 to trip. Best part is, at higher levels you can change the spell it applies to.
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Exploiter Wizards absolutely qualify for Extra Exploit.
Prerequisite: Arcanist exploit† class feature.
Benefit: You gain one additional arcanist exploit. You must meet the prerequisites for this arcanist exploit.
Edit: OK, Exploiter Wizard does call it "Exploiter Exploit", but if a GM told me they didn't allow it, it'd be a table I'd happily walk away from. I mean, that's still a pretty extreme call.
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My guess is they used the language that way because it would create confusion to call it "Arcanist Exploit" on a class that isn't an arcanist. I'm not sure if there is another precedent like this on a class feature that has its class name in it.
If there was a limit on the class, it would actively say "arcanist level 1st", like many other feats do.
Both Exploiter Exploit and Arcanist Exploit function in exactly the same way.
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Its PFS though, so RAW id rule. Generally, they rename things like that so they don't work together. Several fighter archetypes rename Weapon Training just so they don't function with gloves of dueling. Some keep it the same, even though its very clearly not exactly equivalent. Its a design decision.
I'd say about half the PFS GM's I know wouldn't let it work without a FAQ, because every other ability written that way doesn't work. If half the tables you sit at it will probably get bunked, why cause yourself a headache?
It is certainly RAW, and I suspect RAI, though I'm not a dev and the ACG has enough ambiguity that I wouldn't be surprised if something slipped through.
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and the primalist bloodrager sets a precedent in saying that the rage power it gets via trading aren't counted as having the rage power class feature for feats and such
That isn't the same thing - the ability specifically says that it doesn't count for feats and such. Exploiter Exploit has no such wording.
At 4th level and every 4 levels thereafter, a primalist can choose to take either his bloodline power or two barbarian rage powers. If the primalist chooses rage powers, those rage powers can be used in conjunction with his bloodrage, and his bloodrager level acts as his barbarian level when determining the effect of those bloodrage powers and any prerequisites. Any other prerequisites for a rage power must be met before a primalist can choose it. This ability does not count as the rage power class feature for determining feat prerequisites and other requirements.
| Sarrah |
You forgot to dump strength and charisma and push your int to 20. Then put both dex and con at 14. The low carrying capacity is a little rough at low level, but thats why God created Ant Haul.
Also, exploiter wizards (probably) don't qualify for extra exploit, so expect table variation there. Instead take spell specialization and magic missile is always 2, and you can push it to 3 missiles, with a +10 to trip. Best part is, at higher levels you can change the spell it applies to.
Totally agree: Masterwork Backpack of Heavyload (Belt) (current magical item) and Muleback Cords (current magical item) = 3,050g to increase carrying capacity of your 8 strength wizard from:
26 lbs. or less // 27–53 lbs. // 54–80 lbs.to:
260 lbs. or less // 261–521 lbs. // 522–780 lbs.
No more issue with carrying capacity after the first few levels.
| AndIMustMask |
AndIMustMask wrote:and the primalist bloodrager sets a precedent in saying that the rage power it gets via trading aren't counted as having the rage power class feature for feats and suchThat isn't the same thing - the ability specifically says that it doesn't count for feats and such. Exploiter Exploit has no such wording.
Primal Choices wrote:At 4th level and every 4 levels thereafter, a primalist can choose to take either his bloodline power or two barbarian rage powers. If the primalist chooses rage powers, those rage powers can be used in conjunction with his bloodrage, and his bloodrager level acts as his barbarian level when determining the effect of those bloodrage powers and any prerequisites. Any other prerequisites for a rage power must be met before a primalist can choose it. This ability does not count as the rage power class feature for determining feat prerequisites and other requirements.
that's exactly what i was saying. it doesnt have that wording, so it may very well count as arcanist exploit for feats and such (merely rebranded to avoid player/GM confusion)