Whip Slinger: DEX or STR to attack roll?


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Sczarni

A sling is a ranged weapon, with which you use your DEX modifier on your attack rolls.

The "Whip Slinger" feat allows you to "threaten normally" and make AoO's into adjacent squares.

Unlike a Halfling Slingstaff, which is defined as one-handed melee weapon that is not "finessable", the Whip Slinger feat does not describe a sling as being light, one-handed, or two-handed when used in melee.

So do you attack using your DEX when making an AoO as you would when using a Sling normally to make a ranged attack?

Whip Slinger implies, but does not specify that you are making a melee attack...

Whip Slinger wrote:

Whip-Slinger (Combat)

You can use your sling as a sap to make attacks of opportunity.

Prerequisites: Proficient with sling.

Benefit: When wielding a sling, double sling, or halfling sling staff, you threaten areas around you as normal and can make attacks of opportunity with the sling into these threatened areas. The sling deals 1d4 nonlethal bludgeoning damage (1d6 for a Medium wielder), threatens a critical hit on a 20, and deals ×2 damage on a critical hit. If the sling isn’t loaded with ammunition when you make an attack of opportunity, you take a –4 penalty on the attack roll.

Normal: Slings and double slings are ranged weapons, do not threaten areas, and cannot make attacks of opportunity. A halfling sling staff can be used as a simple melee weapon that deals bludgeoning damage equal to that of a club its size; as a melee weapon, it threatens areas normally and its wielder can make attacks of opportunity with it.

Would you even need Weapon Finesse to attack adjacent using Whip Slinger?


"If the sling isn’t loaded with ammunition when you make an attack of opportunity, you take a –4 penalty on the attack roll."

Seems to imply that you're still attacking with the sling itself, not the bullet. The bullet just makes the attack more accurate.

"Normal: Slings and double slings are ranged weapons..."

Meaning that, with this feat, slings and double slings are melee weapons when threatening, and make melee attacks. It also, for the purposes of the feat, groups the sling staff with normal slings, whereas in the "Normal" section it designates the two as separate weapons.

I would say you'd use Strength for attack rolls and damage rolls when attacking in this way. Whether or not the weapon is a light weapon or otherwise affected by Weapon Finesse seems unclear. It'd also be a bit weird if you got a ranged AoO that only affects squares right next to you, as the implication is that you'd then be provoking an AoO from the very target provoking your own AoO. And then everything becomes Disgaea.

Grand Lodge

Looks like a melee attack to me.

If is attacking like a Club, than it is a One-handed weapon.

Very vague though.


seeing as a sap is a light weapon, a feat which says "[y]ou can use your sling as a sap" probably lets you treat it as a light weapon - thus finessable.

Sczarni

cnetarian wrote:
seeing as a sap is a light weapon, a feat which says "[y]ou can use your sling as a sap" probably lets you treat it as a light weapon - thus finessable.

This is really the big question as far as I'm concerned... If attacking with your sling in this way is an attack with a light weapon, it makes a switch-hitter style build a possibility.

It also obsoletes the slingstaff... Well, this feat combined with the FAQ on the Warslinger alt. racial trait for halflings obsoletes the slingstaff entirely.

Sczarni

gigyas6 wrote:
It'd also be a bit weird if you got a ranged AoO that only affects squares right next to you, as the implication is that you'd then be provoking an AoO from the very target provoking your own AoO. And then everything becomes Disgaea.

No weirder than the character that takes Snap Shot, without taking the Improved version & Point-blank Master.

So strange, but not unprecedented.


Speaking of Snap Shot.... can you take Snap Shot and apply it to a dagger if you use it as a ranged weapon? I need advice.


Krodjin wrote:
cnetarian wrote:
seeing as a sap is a light weapon, a feat which says "[y]ou can use your sling as a sap" probably lets you treat it as a light weapon - thus finessable.

This is really the big question as far as I'm concerned... If attacking with your sling in this way is an attack with a light weapon, it makes a switch-hitter style build a possibility.

It also obsoletes the slingstaff... Well, this feat combined with the FAQ on the Warslinger alt. racial trait for halflings obsoletes the slingstaff entirely.

To clarify my answer, failing some official pronouncement otherwise you should treat the sling used as a sap as if it was a sap in being a light weapon.

Sczarni

Goblin Slayer wrote:
Speaking of Snap Shot.... can you take Snap Shot and apply it to a dagger if you use it as a ranged weapon? I need advice.

I would say yes because the Dagger is a thrown weapon. The CRB/PRD has this to say about thrown weapons;

CRB wrote:
Melee and Ranged Weapons: Melee weapons are used for making melee attacks, though some of them can be thrown as well. Ranged weapons are thrown weapons or projectile weapons that are not effective in melee.[/b]

And Snap Shot specifically applies to ranged weapons...


Oh, wow! Thanks!

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