[ACG] - Shaman Speaker for the Past and Extra Revelation

[Kalvit]

I've been considering making a Shaman of the Speaker for the Past archetype, and a question just kept nagging at me. Can the Speaker take the Extra Revelation feat after picking a revelation at 4th or 6th level? I wonder because these revelations are separate from my normal spirit hexes. If I can, then that means I have certain build plans I can work with for PFS or whatever game I insert this character.

[Arksangiel]

Kalvit wrote:

I've been considering making a Shaman of the Speaker for the Past archetype, and a question just kept nagging at me. Can the Speaker take the Extra Revelation feat after picking a revelation at 4th or 6th level? I wonder because these revelations are separate from my normal spirit hexes. If I can, then that means I have certain build plans I can work with for PFS or whatever game I insert this character.

You have the "revelation class feature", which meets the pre-requisites for the feat. Yes.

[redondo15]

Not so sure. Actually, you have the "Revelations of the past" feature that grants you some revelations. But you don't have the "Revelation" class feature.

[TheHunted]

Has this been clarified if the Speaker for the Past qualifies for the Extra Revelation feat at 4th level?

[Entryhazard]

redondo15 wrote:

Not so sure. Actually, you have the "Revelations of the past" feature that grants you some revelations. But you don't have the "Revelation" class feature.

The fact that the name isn't exactly the same verbatim is irrelevant as long as the feature gives him actual Oracle Revelations.

If that were the case, only Paladins could take the Turn Undead Feat for example

[Drimoran]

Kalvit wrote:

I've been considering making a Shaman of the Speaker for the Past archetype, and a question just kept nagging at me. Can the Speaker take the Extra Revelation feat after picking a revelation at 4th or 6th level? I wonder because these revelations are separate from my normal spirit hexes. If I can, then that means I have certain build plans I can work with for PFS or whatever game I insert this character.

Revelations of the Past:

At 4th, 6th, 12th, 14th, and 20th levels, the speaker for the past can select a revelation from the ancestor or time mysteries. She uses her shaman level as her oracle level for these revelations, and uses her Wisdom modifier in place of her Charisma modifier for the purposes of the revelation.

This ability replaces wandering spirit and wandering hex.
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Extra Relevation:

Prerequisite: Revelation class feature.

Benefit: You gain one additional revelation. You must meet all of the prerequisites for this revelation.

Special: You can gain Extra Revelation multiple times.
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There are two answers to your question.

A) You do not get the relevation class feature, you are just able to select some relevations. So you cannot take extra relevation feat

B) You do get the relevation class feature, so you can take the extra relevation Feat. Nevertheless you do not have neither Ancestor nor Time mysteries, so you do not meet prerequisites for any relevation. It is just a dead feat. (Otherwise an Oracle would be able to take any relevation from any other mystery that is not the one he chose, just by taking this feat)

Even if you took 1 level of oracle to take this mystery, you can not treat your shaman level as your oracle level for any other relevation but those gained by your archetype.

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So in both cases you get the same result. It doesn't matter if you can take the feat, as you can not use it.

[Rub-Eta]

What a waste of onyx.

[Entryhazard]

A) As I said before the verbatim name is irrelevant as long as the feature gives him actual Oracle Revelations.
B) His level counts as Oracle level for Revelations so he qualifies, the fact that the Shaman doesn't explicitly say he gets the mystery isn't relevant even by strict rules as the Feat doesn't require the character to have a Mystery (it doesn't mention Mystery at all), only to be able to access Revelations.