Paladin and Magus Multiclass?


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What would your thoughts be on a Magus and Paladin mixed together. I plan on taking Magus to at least Level 7. After that I swap over to Paladin for the remaining 13 Levels. BAB 18 would be nice for Spell Combat and at Level 6 take the arcana to let me use Paladin spells in Spell Combat. It was an idea spawned when my DM told me we will be facing a lot of demons in the future.

As for fluff my Magus comes from Lastwall and wants to partake in the Mendevian Holy Wars. He finds his heritage is celestial (Aasimar) and turns to the gods to grant him power in fighting the demonic threat.

Any thoughts on how this class would work or any problems I could run across?

Sczarni

The majority of Paladin abilities involve the Paladin's Class Level, so while it would be nice to suddenly be able to Smite Evil, you won't be doing that much damage as far as Smite is considered.

Smite allows you to bypass all DR the Smited enemy possesses, so even if you're only doing an additional +1 damage against it (+2 if it's an evil dragon, undead, or evil outsider), that +1 and all your other damage is not affected by DR. If you were to use Spell Combat, your spell in your off hand will still fall under DR or resistance, so you gotta be careful.

Paladins use their Cha for their abilities, while the Magus uses Int. Make him/her very pretty.

One thing I'm a little confused about is the wording for Channel Positive Energy:

Channel Positive Energy wrote:
When a paladin reaches 4th level, she gains the supernatural ability to channel positive energy like a cleric. Using this ability consumes two uses of her lay on hands ability. A paladin uses her level as her effective cleric level when channeling positive energy. This is a Charisma-based ability.

I don't know if this means you'd combine your Paladin lvl and Magus lvl for the Channel, but if it did, you'd suddenly have a very powerful ability.

I like the concept. It'd take a little finessing, but it's doable.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Channel energy always means your class level when it's from a class ability.

In short, these two classes really don't do much for each other outside of a gestalt scenario.


I wouldn't use an arcana for your paladin spells, most of their most valuable spells are swift-action activated to boost your combat powers, so you don't really need spell combat with them.
Paladin/Magus would be a decent combatant, but your spellcasting will never be great, so be aware of that. The only thing I would recommend is maybe taking paladin levels sooner, but that's it.


Take the Eldritch Scion archetype from the ACG so you can pump your CHA instead of your INT. It even comes with Bloodrager stuff so your celestial bloodline pays off in-story. That archetype is worth taking to 8 though, so you can spellcombat with it more freely.

Lay on hands is sorta conflicting with the Magus, who already needs a bunch of swift actions, but smite and full BAB help with hitting, which is real good. You should also take the traits that raise your caster level so you can at least get 10 levels on shocking grasp.

Taking 2-3 Paladin levels early can get you divine grace and Lay on Hands in case you want to be a frontliner and expect to take damage.


The first problem that comes to mind is the MADdness. You'll need (at least) Str/Dex, Int, and Cha at a high rate, and you'll probably want some Con in there too. Will you be using an Aasimar subrace? Either Azata Blooded or Peri Blooded would work best. You'll probably want to go on a Dex build, since you won't have enough Magus levels to cast in heavier armor.


At 7 levels he can cast in medium, which is fine, works with Mithral celestial full plate without problems.


LoneKnave wrote:
At 7 levels he can cast in medium, which is fine, works with Mithral celestial full plate without problems.

Technically speaking mithral full plate still counts as heavy armor, even though it weighs the same as medium armor. A 7th level magus cannot wear mithral full plate, ever.

The point of mithral is it is lighter, so there is less penalties for wearing mithral armor, but you still have to qualify to be able to wear the type of armor (whatever material its made of). Since full plate counts as heavy armor, you cannot wear it unless you can wear heavy armor.


Nope. Just an example. He even gets heavy armor prof from pally.

Also, I agree that you probably don't need spell blending, paladin has nothing you want to cast with spell combat or spellstrike. Maaaybe there's touch of truth, that could be funny, and it's first level so you could even use it a few times.


Well I said the "7th level magus" cannot wear mithral full plate armor (I didn't say anything about paladin).

Dark Archive

gamer-printer wrote:
Well I said the "7th level magus" cannot wear mithral full plate armor (I didn't say anything about paladin). But you still have to take Heavy Armor Proficiency feat.

If the Magus is level 7, then yes, he cannot wear and cast in the Mithral Full Plate.

However, once he is Magus 7/Paladin 1, he can. Mithral Full Plate is counted as Medium Armor for everything but proficiency, which the level in Paladin would give him. So he could spell combat and all that nonsense.

Also, I'm pretty sure there is a Magus archetype coming out of the ACG that casts off Charisma. Would work beautifully for a build like this.


Eldritch Scion, yes. Also gets Bloodrager stuff.


Seranov wrote:
gamer-printer wrote:
Well I said the "7th level magus" cannot wear mithral full plate armor (I didn't say anything about paladin). But you still have to take Heavy Armor Proficiency feat.

If the Magus is level 7, then yes, he cannot wear and cast in the Mithral Full Plate.

However, once he is Magus 7/Paladin 1, he can. Mithral Full Plate is counted as Medium Armor for everything but proficiency, which the level in Paladin would give him. So he could spell combat and all that nonsense.

Also, I'm pretty sure there is a Magus archetype coming out of the ACG that casts off Charisma. Would work beautifully for a build like this.

Yeah, I get that. That's why I said magus, not paladin, nor this specific build.


For this build if you have the Ultimate Class Guide you can use the Eldritch Scion archetype. It's a spontaneous caster using CHR as the casting stat. Intelligence isn't all that useful for Paladin but CHR sure is so useful for saves and to hit bonus when smiting. On top of that you could grab 4 levels of Dragon Disciple too for +4 str as you'd be spontaneous arcane caster.


gamer-printer wrote:
LoneKnave wrote:
At 7 levels he can cast in medium, which is fine, works with Mithral celestial full plate without problems.

Technically speaking mithral full plate still counts as heavy armor, even though it weighs the same as medium armor. A 7th level magus cannot wear mithral full plate, ever.

The point of mithral is it is lighter, so there is less penalties for wearing mithral armor, but you still have to qualify to be able to wear the type of armor (whatever material its made of). Since full plate counts as heavy armor, you cannot wear it unless you can wear heavy armor.

Mithral Full Plate counts as Medium for the purpose of movement and other limitations(such as Spell casting) but you need Heavy Armor Proficiency in order to not take Armor Check penalty to attack rolls. So a Magus that doesn't get rid of their Medium Armor ability can cast in Mithral Full Plate.

Dark Archive

gamer-printer wrote:
Seranov wrote:
gamer-printer wrote:
Well I said the "7th level magus" cannot wear mithral full plate armor (I didn't say anything about paladin). But you still have to take Heavy Armor Proficiency feat.

If the Magus is level 7, then yes, he cannot wear and cast in the Mithral Full Plate.

However, once he is Magus 7/Paladin 1, he can. Mithral Full Plate is counted as Medium Armor for everything but proficiency, which the level in Paladin would give him. So he could spell combat and all that nonsense.

Also, I'm pretty sure there is a Magus archetype coming out of the ACG that casts off Charisma. Would work beautifully for a build like this.

Yeah, I get that. That's why I said magus, not paladin, nor this specific build.

It's not really relevant to the conversation then? I'd imagine that no one is really claiming that a straight level 7 Magus can wear Mithral Full Plate w/o Heavy Armor Proficiency or taking a big nasty penalty to all of their rolls.

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