So i have been playing this game, and i want to build the characters in Pathfinder, specially Raphael, Voldo, Xiba and Maxi.
Any one have some ideas? im new
Raphael is the swashbuckler once it is released, xiba a quarter staff adept monk, and maxi... well... a monk. Flurry of blows is akin to that momentum of his. Voldo... I have always wondered. Maybe a slayer when it is released.
Honestly, I'm not sure Maxi would fit as a pure monk... maybe one level of monk and levelling the rest of the way as a ninja?
Wouldn't Raphael be like a duelist? or aldori swordlord?
He's also a vampire, sort of.
Maxi I'd see being a martial artist monk if anything; as few Su powers as possible, while still having that 'moxy' 'wink wink, pun, yes'
Xiba....hopefully, a corpse. Sorry, I cry when I see him and hear about his "Steam puns" driven life. But in all seriousness; like Maxi, you'd need that degree of rapid striking with a quarterstaff. I'd imagine Xiba being lower lvl then Maxi and Kilik, so who knows if he'd develop dramatic Ki powers.
Raphael; definately Swashbuckler base like people are saying, but also some sort of illusionary evasions, so perhaps a bit of Rogue, to get Minor Magic/Major Magic, etc.
Voldo; despite his weird fighting style, could really just be the fluff; other then that he is an agile 2 weapon warrior, so Reckless traited Fighter could do his build.
Now, what I'd wonder is, how do you build Algol?
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Raphael: Dhampir Swashbuckler with Fangs and Blood Drinker.
Voldo: Slayer with Blind Fight, Prone Shooter, and Skill Focus: Swim. :P
Algol: Summoner with Eldritch Heritage: Abyssal. His Eidolon is his chair.
Tira = Pain Taster Ninja?
Some ones that havent been done yet off the top of my head:
Nightmare is an Armored Hulk Barbarian with that one item (Demons talon?) that replaces a hand with one that has a claw one size category larger than yourself. And a minor artifact weapon.
Mitsurugi is a lvl 20 fighter. A class as boring as he is but also very effective if we assume no-one else is that high level. Barring Algol (who I'd classify as some weird Eldritch knight) and Edgemaster (Who is basically every class gestalted together), anyway.
EDIT: Now I'm wondering how Patrokolos and Pyrrha could be made remotely effective. The game lists their style as "Short sword and Small shield." That would be terrible in Pathfinder. I guess we see why they got sturyline upgrades.
I don't know if you can call the Soul Edge a minor artifact. It's the most significant artifact in the setting, equal only to the Soul Calibur.
Great... now I need to make the actual artifacts for this, going to be mythic and everything. Then hunt down the proper classes for them... more of my life taken, wee! .... But seriously, I'm gonna do it and love it.
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Most of the Soul Calibur women must belong to an obscure prestige class that increases your cup size as you gain levels.
I really don't see Nightmare as a Barbarian. At a casual glance it might seem like he's just some uncontrolled monster who swings wildly but that's what he wants you to think. If you look closely it's clear that he's a cunning opportunist, a Rogue to the core (or Slayer, aka Rogue+).
I think Nightmare would fit as an evil fighter, with a powerful but cursed two-handed sword.
I'd say Sigfried is a Paladin, probably with an archetype that allows for ice attacks or something. Also, Nightmare is an anti paladin IMO. Algol is some duel wielding magus type. Astaroth is definitely a barbarian, Mitsurugi is a fighter, and quite a few others are fighters also. Cervantes is a fighter with a couple levels of gunslinger, mostly two weapon fighting feats. Oh and I suppose a few sorcerer levels for flying abilities. Zasalamel is a necromancer cleric, Natsu is a ninja. Etc
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actually threw together a build for nightmare a while back for funzies:
"Nightmare"
(AP 5 / bar 6 / AP +9)
*scaled skin alt. racial
str 28 (7+2r), dex 28 (7), con 20 (5), int 16, wis 12 (-4-2r), cha 26 (5+2r)
dex/dex/dex/dex/str (level), +6 all (gear), +4 str/cha, +3 dex, +1 wis (book/wish)
traits: unnatural presence / glory of old
abilities: aura of evil, detect good, smite good (5/day), touch of corruption (7d6, 15/day), channel negative energy (7d6), unholy resilience, plaguebringer, fiendish boon (+4), aura of cowardice, aura of despair, aura of vengeance, aura of sin, big game hunter (+1 (+4) attack [morale], +1 dodge vs larger enemies), jotungrip, massive weapons (-2), evade reach (5ft), rage (19 rds/day)
rage powers: superstition (+6 (+10)), witch hunter (+5 (+9)), spell sunder
cruelties (DC 25): sickened, dazed, nauseated, paralyzed
feats:
1 - Power Attack
3 - TWF
5 - Weapon Focus (greatsword)
7 - Cornugon Smash
9 - ITWF
11 - Dazzling Display
13 - Shatter Defenses
15 - Lunge
17 - GTWF
19 - Intimidating Prowess
spells:
1 (5/day)- ???, ???, ???, ???, ???
2 (4/day)- ???, ???, ???, ???
3 (3/day)- ???, ???, ???
4 (3/day)- ???, ???, ???
39f/35r/32w
+13 init
+5 cruel (1) courageous (1) furious (1) unholy (2) greatsword (wish i could squeeze conductive onto it)
+5 conductive (2) dueling (1) defending (1) guardian (1) spiked gauntlet
+5 dastard (1) fortification (moderate, 3) unrighteous (-) warding (1) mithral hellknight plate
off the top of my head for the others:
siegfried: paladin
ivy: whip-focused ??? w/ intelligent scorpion whip.
tira: slayer wielding a huge-sized chakram as a melee weapon.
kilik/xiba: quarterstaff monk (or staff magus?)
algol: aasimar (bladed wings) synth summoner
maxi: monk
sophitia/cassandra/patroklos/phyrra: sword/board warpriests
voldo: the above slayer posts work nicely.
talim (shame she didnt make it into SCV in lieu of the THREE WEAPONMASTERS AND TWO CLONES RRGH): tonfa monk with step up line and WIND style.
mr. roogi: horseless samurai or cavalier
raphael: dhampir swashbuckler 6 + horizon walker 3 w/ dimensional dervish line
Z.W.E.I: summoner
xianghua/leixia: ???
amy: dex-focused rapier build (swashbuckler, fighter-into-duelist, etc.)
cervantes: TWF longsword + pistol swordcane ???
viola: something with really optimized TK or hand of the apprentice?
taki/natsu: TWF ninja
yoshimitsu: samurai/cavalier (dat banner)
hilde: longspear+buckler phalanx soldier fighter (wielding shortsword in buckler hand)
lizardman/aeon: ???
astaroth/rock: brutal pugilist barbarian w/ 2H axe/maul
seong mi-na: polearm fighter
dhampierre: dirty trick rogue
zasalamel: magus?
setsuka/patroklos alpha: sword saint samurai w/ quickdraw and wave strike
yunseong/hwang: one-handed fighter w/ crane style
actually threw together a build for nightmare a while back for funzies:
"Nightmare"** spoiler omitted **
off the top of my head for the others:
siegfried: paladin
ivy: whip-focused ??? w/ intelligent scorpion whip.
tira: slayer wielding a huge-sized chakram as a melee weapon.
kilik/xiba: quarterstaff monk (or staff magus?)
algol: aasimar (bladed wings) synth summoner
maxi: monk
sophitia/cassandra/patroklos/phyrra: sword/board warpriests
voldo: the above slayer posts work nicely.
talim (shame she didnt make it into SCV in lieu of the THREE...
why do you say raphael is a horizon walker dude
I really don't see Nightmare as a Barbarian. At a casual glance it might seem like he's just some uncontrolled monster who swings wildly but that's what he wants you to think. If you look closely it's clear that he's a cunning opportunist, a Rogue to the core (or Slayer, aka Rogue+).
You dont need to be dumb to be a barbarian, but you do need to fight with "precision" to get sneak attack, and uh, that aint the word I'd use for nightmare. You may also note that his entire style revolves around brutally crushing his enemies, which is definitely Barbarian territory, IMO.
And I would say Minor artifact only because Soul Edge was only recently reformed in 5, and less powerful than in previous games. This much is mostly spitballing on my part of course, since we don't get a lot of information in the "Story" mode.
Most of the Soul Calibur women must belong to an obscure prestige class that increases your cup size as you gain levels.
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Most of the Soul Calibur women must belong to an obscure prestige class that increases your cup size as you gain levels.Level Up!
The most egregious example.Most of the Soul Calibur women must belong to an obscure prestige class that increases your cup size as you gain levels.Level Up!
You make it sound like a bad thing. :)
You make a good point.
And I never said I don't like what I see. ;) It's just rather overt.
Also to be fair, Sophitia did have a daughter. Pregnancy can have effects on body shape. What's Ivy's excuse? :P
You make a good point.
And I never said I don't like what I see. ;) It's just rather overt.
Also to be fair, Sophitia did have a daughter. Pregnancy can have effects on body shape. What's Ivy's excuse? :P
Is it me, or is Soul Caliber 2 the best incarnation of both characters?
(Then there is the real problem.)
You dont need to be dumb to be a barbarian, but you do need to fight with "precision" to get sneak attack, and uh, that aint the word I'd use for nightmare. You may also note that his entire style revolves around brutally crushing his enemies, which is definitely Barbarian territory, IMO.
I think his moves are as precise as any 2hander rogue.
Again, it's hard to see but his style is very sneaky and rogue-like. A lot of his character is designed around baiting in an opponent with a big slow looking attacking (such as 66B or 1[A] if you're familiar with the competitive terminology) and then punching them in the face.
Another big part of his game is his excellent oki (fighting vs prone opponents). If you've ever played a really good Nightmare you know that he gets very, very scary if he scores a knockdown. Taking advantage of prone opponents screams Pathfinder Rogue to me.
Also, consistently across games he has always been very good at taking advantage of his surroundings with some of the best wall combos and ring out options.
I could maybe see a dip in Barbarian (Jotungrip in particular) but to depict him as anything but a cunning opportunist would be a mistake IMO.
Also, I'm sad about all the flack SC gets for the boobage. While I wouldn't call the series innocent, it is far better than a lot of fighting games. I'd go so far as to say that in this regard, SC is pretty standard for the triple A market. While there are notable outliers like Ivy and Sophitia, most of the cast is very modest.
In fact I think SC is a lot better on the gender equality front, as they sexualize men just as much as women. Look at Voldo. Look. Even aside from him, seriously look at the SCV roster. I reckon there are more pretty boys with bare chests than there are women with oversized breasts. I mean sure, some of them are for male power fantasies (such as Astaroth) but the general tendency towards sleek bodies and soft smooth faces much more closely resembles something out of a female fantasy like Ouran or Twilight than a testosterone fest like Gears of War or God of War (uh, except for the time Kratos actually did show up).
Also, I'm sad about all the flack SC gets for the boobage. While I wouldn't call the series innocent, it is far better than a lot of fighting games. I'd go so far as to say that in this regard, SC is pretty standard for the triple A market. While there are notable outliers like Ivy and Sophitia, most of the cast is very modest.
Actually, I don't have a problem with female characters being sexualized. In fact it can be a good thing - it can actually make a female character more "bad-ass."
The key being finding a good balance between providing fanservice and providing characters that female gamers would actually want to play.
I believe that Soul Caliber 2's art hit that balance, but the progression from that point has been "too much" of a good thing. :)
You dont need to be dumb to be a barbarian, but you do need to fight with "precision" to get sneak attack, and uh, that aint the word I'd use for nightmare. You may also note that his entire style revolves around brutally crushing his enemies, which is definitely Barbarian territory, IMO.I think his moves are as precise as any 2hander rogue.
Again, it's hard to see but his style is very sneaky and rogue-like. A lot of his character is designed around baiting in an opponent with a big slow looking attacking (such as 66B or 1[A] if you're familiar with the competitive terminology) and then punching them in the face.
Another big part of his game is his excellent oki (fighting vs prone opponents). If you've ever played a really good Nightmare you know that he gets very, very scary if he scores a knockdown. Taking advantage of prone opponents screams Pathfinder Rogue to me.
Also, consistently across games he has always been very good at taking advantage of his surroundings with some of the best wall combos and ring out options.
I could maybe see a dip in Barbarian (Jotungrip in particular) but to depict him as anything but a cunning opportunist would be a mistake IMO.
I use nightmare a lot, but am not familiar with most competitive terminology, but that first example sounds like what I do when I play as him. Like I said, I will agree that he's smart, but striking someone unexpectedly is a rage power. called "Unexpected strike."
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't everyone pretty screwed when they hit the ground?
Side note: I hit b4 in ranked online matches with 1. Nightmare and 2. Xiba. xiba also has a lot of good ground game and wall combos. If we use that as a basis for "rogue-ness" then Xiba would be an equal candidate, which I just can't see either.
why do you say raphael is a horizon walker dudeactually threw together a build for nightmare a while back for funzies:
"Nightmare"** spoiler omitted **
off the top of my head for the others:
siegfried: paladin
ivy: whip-focused ??? w/ intelligent scorpion whip.
tira: slayer wielding a huge-sized chakram as a melee weapon.
kilik/xiba: quarterstaff monk (or staff magus?)
algol: aasimar (bladed wings) synth summoner
maxi: monk
sophitia/cassandra/patroklos/phyrra: sword/board warpriests
voldo: the above slayer posts work nicely.
talim (shame she didnt make it into SCV in lieu of the THREE...
for fluff: as of SCV he's traveled a hell of a long way in search of the missing Amy, and mechanically: the 3-levl dip allows him to grab dimension door as an SLA to meet the prereqs for the dimensional dervish line (which allows him do his teleporty fighting like in the games.)
actually i'd say a cleric or oracle of nethys, personally (just wielding a scythe regardless):
while he's big on souls and the afterlife (so i can see urgathoa or even pharasma working as well) and how to get his immortal butt in it (which he then ironically works to undo once he DOES become mortal again), he's a powerful spellcaster--he's the one who resurrected/re-bound nightmare to a new body in SC3, and has managed to both cure AND re-instate his own immortality with the aim of seeing the world's future firsthand and learning more from it.
Ivy with her SCII 2P costume, man.
I gotta agree, best game in the series.
If anything, I think Nightmare would have at least two levels of Barbarian (Titan Mauler). After all, he swings Soul Edge around with one hand for almost all of his attacks.
If anything, I think Nightmare would have at least two levels of Barbarian (Titan Mauler). After all, he swings Soul Edge around with one hand for almost all of his attacks.
Alternative: He's just eating the to-hit penalty for an inappropriately sized weapon in one hand because Artifacts are enough to balance things out in his favor. Could be why nightmare always loses to the other person using an artifact; they use their weapon correctly.
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I know this is SCV but anyone have something for Zasalamel?
I dunno if there's a Pathfinder equivalent of a build based entirely around douchily baiting people into coming at you when your back is to the edge of a stage and using your back+A+B to toss them over your head for a ring out.
Love Zaslamel for noob stomping.
That's a fair point, I had forgotten that bit. I guess he just spent the feat for heavy armor. Speaking of embarrassing things that happened to Nightmare, Zwei (no, I'm not using the acronym until we learn what it stands for)! The best I can come up with for him is a heavily reflavored Melee summoner with half of an eidolon. New base type? Legless?Soul Edge/Calibur always take the form most suitable for their user, so it's supposedly perfectly balanced for his style.
He always loses because since he got split from siegfried, he went from kinda sorta tragic big bad to Worf.
Love Zaslamel for noob stomping.
Nah, man. Flapjacks for everyone. Would these count as dirty tricks? Are we bad people for doing this?
That's a fair point, I had forgotten that bit. I guess he just spent the feat for heavy armor. Speaking of embarrassing things that happened to Nightmare, Zwei (no, I'm not using the acronym until we learn what it stands for)! The best I can come up with for him is a heavily reflavored Melee summoner with half of an eidolon. New base type? Legless?Soul Edge/Calibur always take the form most suitable for their user, so it's supposedly perfectly balanced for his style.
He always loses because since he got split from siegfried, he went from kinda sorta tragic big bad to Worf.
Frankly, Pyrrha Omega should've been the one to kill Nightmare... it would've made more sense.
Anyway, Zwei being a melee-focused summoner would make the most sense. His fighting style is more flashy than practical, but doesn't incorporate much in the way of flips and the like (just the one attack, from what I've seen). I'm debating as to whether he's a finesse fighter or not...
Love Zaslamel for noob stomping.Nah, man. Flapjacks for everyone. Would these count as dirty tricks? Are we bad people for doing this?
Well, the problem with doing it against even somewhat experienced players (who've seen the trick before or are on guard for shenanigans) is that the attack is super slow and easily blocked (though you can get a bit more mileage out of in conjunction with the attack I call the "Rake" because I can't remember the real name. Hits twice, requires a low guard, extremely low damage. looks like you're using a rake or a hoe. You know the one.).
And no, we're not bad people.
The bad people (like myself) are the ones who use Voldo's ability to confuse and disorient people to slip around dudes, and continually get ring-outs with his Ass Bump attack, and then force the loser to sit through the instant replay every time as their badass looking custom character is humiliatingly rung out yet again with an assault from an ambiguously homosexual masochist's tush.
That's a fair point, I had forgotten that bit. I guess he just spent the feat for heavy armor. Speaking of embarrassing things that happened to Nightmare, Zwei (no, I'm not using the acronym until we learn what it stands for)! The best I can come up with for him is a heavily reflavored Melee summoner with half of an eidolon. New base type? Legless?Soul Edge/Calibur always take the form most suitable for their user, so it's supposedly perfectly balanced for his style.
He always loses because since he got split from siegfried, he went from kinda sorta tragic big bad to Worf.
Frankly, Pyrrha Omega should've been the one to kill Nightmare... it would've made more sense.
Anyway, Zwei being a melee-focused summoner would make the most sense. His fighting style is more flashy than practical, but doesn't incorporate much in the way of flips and the like (just the one attack, from what I've seen). I'm debating as to whether he's a finesse fighter or not...
Well, ask yourself this: Does it make him weaker? If so, it goes a ways towards capturing the essence of the characters style, IMO. Although, just by looking at these characters, I think the only ones who don't use STR primarily are the ladies. And Raphael. My vote goes to using the Dazzling Display feats for Two.
I want to say another Barbarian for Aeon. TWF with Battleaxes. Possibly with the Beast totem considering the bite attacks and the general savagery you see from him. I mean one of his victory animations is just him mauling something. Funny that. One of the best options I see here is just perfect for one of the weakest characters. I'm okay with that.
Love Zaslamel for noob stomping.Nah, man. Flapjacks for everyone. Would these count as dirty tricks? Are we bad people for doing this?Well, the problem with doing it against even somewhat experienced players (who've seen the trick before or are on guard for shenanigans) is that the attack is super slow and easily blocked (though you can get a bit more mileage out of in conjunction with the attack I call the "Rake" because I can't remember the real name. Hits twice, requires a low guard, extremely low damage. looks like you're using a rake or a hoe. You know the one.).
And no, we're not bad people.
The bad people (like myself) are the ones who use Voldo's ability to confuse and disorient people to slip around dudes, and continually get ring-outs with his Ass Bump attack, and then force the loser to sit through the instant replay every time as their badass looking custom character is humiliatingly rung out yet again with an assault from an ambiguously homosexual masochist's tush.
Oh yeah, I do know what you mean about the Rake. I don't speak AzteMesopolonian, so I can't even pronounce half of his moveset. Flapjack will work on noobs 99% of the time if you spend the first two rounds never attacking low, then doing it.
Okay, maybe I'm the bad person.
I know a guy who was incapacitated by watching Volvo's ground brave edge (we call it the fish thing) for a half-hour. I'm not even exaggerating, he just saw that once, and couldn't even talk. We need something with Hideous Laughter as a class to even vaguely approach that capability. Bard? High Charisma only means a generally striking appearance and we've seen the assless clown pants. And Blind fight.