You'd be able to cast other healing spells after Breath of Life if it brings them back to life. If they're still dead you'd only be able to Breath of Life again
Yeah, I think you have to use breath of life to get them above hp = -con in order to use other healing magic. Otherwise the remain dead.
And honestly, getting more than one casting of breath of life would be difficult anyways...so it's unlikely to come up I think.
A moderate Quicken Rod would do it.
The Answer is Yes. Each spell checks independently of whether or not the person qualifies. If Breath of Life fails to revivify the person due to HP damage, it still applies the healing effect to the damage he suffered, per the spell. even if he remains dead. The next spell would apply against the new total, and potentially get him back up and running.
==Aelryinth
A moderate Quicken Rod would do it.
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Yeah, but you would need to have it in hand when the character went down. Or at least very easy access.
Assuming you are not adjacent to the character when they drop, you would need to move, retrieve the rod of quicken (move aciton), cast quickened BoL (swift action), and a normal BOL (standard action).
And that's too many acitons for one person to accomplish it in one round. Which is the limit on BoL.
retrieving the rod is the equivalent of drawing a weapon, which you can do as part of another move action if you have at least +1 BAB.
So, yeah, not that hard to do.
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It's difficult, but I've seen it happen. I was running a higher level adventure, one of the PC's got dropped by a Cannon Golem crit. The party's oracle BoL'd the PC, failed to bring them up and the NPC Oracle travelling with the party jumped in and got the PC up with the BoL double-tap.
I've seen it as well, but from Determination armor and the party's cleric after a fighter at 6 hit points got hit with a maximized cone of cold and failed the spell. The two BoL's served to get the fighter back to positive where he was dimension door'ed out of the room by the wizard.
retrieving the rod is the equivalent of drawing a weapon, which you can do as part of another move action if you have at least +1 BAB.
So, yeah, not that hard to do.
==Aelryinth
Retrieving a wand is called out as being a weapon like object and could be drawn with a +1 BAB and part of a move. Rods, however, are not called out as such, so expect table variation...
Since a number of rods are actually weapons, I don't expect much of a problem. :)
==Aelryinth
Since a number of rods are actually weapons, I don't expect much of a problem. :)
==Aelryinth
True...but the metamagic rods aren't...
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Retrieving a wand is called out as being a weapon like object and could be drawn with a +1 BAB and part of a move. Rods, however, are not called out as such, so expect table variation...retrieving the rod is the equivalent of drawing a weapon, which you can do as part of another move action if you have at least +1 BAB.
So, yeah, not that hard to do.
==Aelryinth
Considering a lot of rods ARE weapons, and since a rod is very much like a wand in shape regardless, it'd have to be a kinda douchey DM to disallow it.
True...but the metamagic rods aren't...Since a number of rods are actually weapons, I don't expect much of a problem. :)
==Aelryinth
They can be. IIRC it's like 35% of all rods, no matter the type. And if you're like me, you custom order one that acts as a light mace to begin with. Because why not?
retrieving the rod is the equivalent of drawing a weapon, which you can do as part of another move action if you have at least +1 BAB.
So, yeah, not that hard to do.
==Aelryinth
Assuming you have it in an easily accessible spot. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying, if you're not prepared for it in advance you wont be able to do it.
I guess my ultimate point is that combat is dynamic, and having the correct set of conditions to allow you to pull this off isn't necessarily easy. Distance and difficult terrain could definitely cause problems. Not having two spells slot dedicated to Breath of Life. Enemies attack you and tripping you as you move toward your ally.
Retrieving a wand is called out as being a weapon like object and could be drawn with a +1 BAB and part of a move. Rods, however, are not called out as such, so expect table variation...retrieving the rod is the equivalent of drawing a weapon, which you can do as part of another move action if you have at least +1 BAB.
So, yeah, not that hard to do.
==Aelryinth
Considering a lot of rods ARE weapons, and since a rod is very much like a wand in shape regardless, it'd have to be a kinda douchey DM to disallow it.
They can be. IIRC it's like 35% of all rods, no matter the type. And if you're like me, you custom order one that acts as a light mace to begin with. Because why not?True...but the metamagic rods aren't...Since a number of rods are actually weapons, I don't expect much of a problem. :)
==Aelryinth
They range from 2 feet to 3 feet long and are usually made of iron or some other metal. (Many, as noted in their descriptions, can function as light maces or clubs due to their hardy construction.)
A 2 to 3 foot piece of metal is not really like a wand. They are also, as indicated, called out in their descriptions if they can function as light maces or clubs...none of the metamagic rods are called out as such, so they would not function as a light mace or club.
Wands can be drawn as a weapon like object, without equivocation, because they are called out as counting as such.
I can see allowing it, but it's also not 100% in the rules that they ARE weapons or weapon like objects.
Retrieving a wand is called out as being a weapon like object and could be drawn with a +1 BAB and part of a move. Rods, however, are not called out as such, so expect table variation...retrieving the rod is the equivalent of drawing a weapon, which you can do as part of another move action if you have at least +1 BAB.
So, yeah, not that hard to do.
==Aelryinth
Considering a lot of rods ARE weapons, and since a rod is very much like a wand in shape regardless, it'd have to be a kinda douchey DM to disallow it.
They can be. IIRC it's like 35% of all rods, no matter the type. And if you're like me, you custom order one that acts as a light mace to begin with. Because why not?True...but the metamagic rods aren't...Since a number of rods are actually weapons, I don't expect much of a problem. :)
==Aelryinth
They range from 2 feet to 3 feet long and are usually made of iron or some other metal. (Many, as noted in their descriptions, can function as light maces or clubs due to their hardy construction.)A 2 to 3 foot piece of metal is not really like a wand. They are also, as indicated, called out in their descriptions if they can function as light maces or clubs...none of the metamagic rods are called out as such, so they would not function as a light mace or club.
Wands can be drawn as a weapon like object, without equivocation, because they are called out as counting as such.
I can see allowing it, but it's also not 100% in the rules that they ARE weapons or weapon like objects.
So what I'm hearing from you is that you think a "2 to 3 foot piece of metal, many of which can be used as weapons" is less weapon-like than a "thin baton that weighs less than an ounce" (and they really are very similar in shape, a rod and a baton. Size is the only difference here).
It takes some pretty skilled mental gymnastics for anyone to actually think such, hence why I said it would take a pretty douchey GM to disallow it.
Retrieving a wand is called out as being a weapon like object and could be drawn with a +1 BAB and part of a move. Rods, however, are not called out as such, so expect table variation...retrieving the rod is the equivalent of drawing a weapon, which you can do as part of another move action if you have at least +1 BAB.
So, yeah, not that hard to do.
==Aelryinth
Considering a lot of rods ARE weapons, and since a rod is very much like a wand in shape regardless, it'd have to be a kinda douchey DM to disallow it.
They can be. IIRC it's like 35% of all rods, no matter the type. And if you're like me, you custom order one that acts as a light mace to begin with. Because why not?True...but the metamagic rods aren't...Since a number of rods are actually weapons, I don't expect much of a problem. :)
==Aelryinth
They range from 2 feet to 3 feet long and are usually made of iron or some other metal. (Many, as noted in their descriptions, can function as light maces or clubs due to their hardy construction.)A 2 to 3 foot piece of metal is not really like a wand. They are also, as indicated, called out in their descriptions if they can function as light maces or clubs...none of the metamagic rods are called out as such, so they would not function as a light mace or club.
Wands can be drawn as a weapon like object, without equivocation, because they are called out as counting as such.
I can see allowing it, but it's also not 100% in the rules that they ARE weapons or weapon like objects.
So what I'm hearing from you is that you think a "2 to 3 foot piece of metal, many of which can be used as weapons" is less weapon-like than a "thin baton that weighs less than an ounce" (and they really are very similar in shape, a rod and a baton. Size is the only difference here).
It takes...
What you're hearing is a pedantic reading of the rules, caused by time after time after time of being in a discussion where RAW is all, RAW is it, RAW is unassailable. Not saying I like it, but it's what's they've wrote.
And I've been talking specifically about the metamagic rod, which is what this discussion turned to about using one to quicken a BoL if you'll remember. Those rods are specifically not usable as weapons, since it has stated that only those described as being suitable as a light mace or club can be considered as such.
Also, the insulting tenor is really not needed. I'm trying to point to the 2 specific rules that back up why I feel it's not as clear as you're assuming. The notion of feminine hygiene has anything to do with a GM making a call is really not needed.
I was in an Eyes of the Ten group that had two clerics, There were a couple of occasions we had two breaths of life to bring PCs back. The bad guys were playing whack a mole.
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...Retrieving a wand is called out as being a weapon like object and could be drawn with a +1 BAB and part of a move. Rods, however, are not called out as such, so expect table variation...retrieving the rod is the equivalent of drawing a weapon, which you can do as part of another move action if you have at least +1 BAB.
So, yeah, not that hard to do.
==Aelryinth
Considering a lot of rods ARE weapons, and since a rod is very much like a wand in shape regardless, it'd have to be a kinda douchey DM to disallow it.
They can be. IIRC it's like 35% of all rods, no matter the type. And if you're like me, you custom order one that acts as a light mace to begin with. Because why not?True...but the metamagic rods aren't...Since a number of rods are actually weapons, I don't expect much of a problem. :)
==Aelryinth
They range from 2 feet to 3 feet long and are usually made of iron or some other metal. (Many, as noted in their descriptions, can function as light maces or clubs due to their hardy construction.)A 2 to 3 foot piece of metal is not really like a wand. They are also, as indicated, called out in their descriptions if they can function as light maces or clubs...none of the metamagic rods are called out as such, so they would not function as a light mace or club.
Wands can be drawn as a weapon like object, without equivocation, because they are called out as counting as such.
I can see allowing it, but it's also not 100% in the rules that they ARE weapons or weapon like objects.
So what I'm hearing from you is that you think a "2 to 3 foot piece of metal, many of which can be used as weapons" is less weapon-like than a "thin baton that weighs less than an ounce" (and they really are very similar in shape, a rod and a baton. Size is the only
My read on metamagic rods is they weigh 5 pounds. Seems to be they can be used as improvised weapons, does that count?
I was in an Eyes of the Ten group that had two clerics, There were a couple of occasions we had two breaths of life to bring PCs back. The bad guys were playing whack a mole.
That Reach Breath of Life really came in handy! Thanks Yuki.