| thorin001 |
Unarmed Strike
At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk's attacks can be with fists, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk can make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk can apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes. A monk's unarmed strikes deal lethal damage, although he can choose to deal nonlethal damage with no penalty on his attack roll. He can make this choice while grappling as well.
Apparently a Monk's unarmed strike cannot be used as an off hand weapon even outside of a flurry.
Flurry of Blows
At 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When making a flurry of blows, the monk can make one additional attack at his highest base attack bonus. This additional attack stacks with the bonus attacks from haste and other similar effects. When using this ability, the monk can make these attacks with any combination of his unarmed strikes and weapons that have the monk special weapon quality. He takes no penalty for using multiple weapons when making a flurry of blows, but he does not gain any additional attacks beyond what's already granted by the flurry for doing so. (He can still gain additional attacks from a high base attack bonus, from this ability, and from haste and similar effects).
An unchained monk does 1.5 Str with a 2-handed weapon in a flurry now.
| Rub-Eta |
Apparently a Monk's unarmed strike cannot be used as an off hand weapon even outside of a flurry.
It's to prevent a monk from taking TWF feats, I guess. Otherwise: why would you ever make an off-hand attack with a monk?
An unchained monk does 1.5 Str with a 2-handed weapon in a flurry now.
Is this an issue?
| thorin001 |
thorin001 wrote:Apparently a Monk's unarmed strike cannot be used as an off hand weapon even outside of a flurry.It's to prevent a monk from taking TWF feats, I guess. Otherwise: why would you ever make an off-hand attack with a monk?
thorin001 wrote:An unchained monk does 1.5 Str with a 2-handed weapon in a flurry now.Is this an issue?
For the TWF thing, you get more attacks using the TWF chain than you do with the Unchained Flurry. Also a mulitclassed Monk might want their off-hand weapon to be an unarmed strike to use Deflect Arrows or some other feat that requires an empty hand.
For the 2-hander thing, it was an observation of a difference from CRB Monks. Of course the PDT may consider it an oversight and correct it.
| thorin001 |
We've been down this road before on the Unarmed Strike.
It doesn't mean what it says it means. What it means is that a Monk using an unarmed strike for an off-hand attack deals full strength damage. Think of it like a very limited version of Double Slice.
Leading off with 'words do not mean what they mean' is not a very effective tactic in a rules debate. If the intent is so very different than what is actually written then an errata is desperately needed.
| kyrt-ryder |
kyrt-ryder wrote:Leading off with 'words do not mean what they mean' is not a very effective tactic in a rules debate. If the intent is so very different than what is actually written then an errata is desperately needed.We've been down this road before on the Unarmed Strike.
It doesn't mean what it says it means. What it means is that a Monk using an unarmed strike for an off-hand attack deals full strength damage. Think of it like a very limited version of Double Slice.
This is Paizo we're talking about. They probably pulled the verbiage from the 3.5 SRD [where it meant exactly what I said] but intend to FAQ away any benefits the Monk would get from it.