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Match ends. Ghana and Portugal are out. I'm SOOOOOO sorry for Cristiano Ronaldo and Pepe... (speaks a Barcelona fan, FORÇA BARÇA)
Good luck for USA and Germany from now on.

Edit: And Luis Suarez is out the World Cup. For once, good for FIFA. There must be some better solution for hunger than that.


Thomas Müller scored his 9th goal in his 9th world cup game

more than players like Maradona, Rivaldo or Völler (all 8)

from active players only David Villa (9 as well) and Klose (15) are near

otherplaery with 9 goals are

Roberto Baggio (16 games) italy
Eusebio (6 games!) portugal
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (19 games) germany
Paolo Rossi (14 games) italy
Uwe Seeler (21 games) germany

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Pele also scored nine goals in his first 9 WC games.

Ronaldo has arguably the best World Cup record: scored 8 goals in 7 games in 2002 and holds the record for most career WC goals.

His eight goals in the 2002 World Cup include two in the final against... Germany.

Damn, those Brazilians are good.

Grand Lodge

And yet Muller isn't considered one of the top 25 players in the world.

For Bayern Munich I still easily put Robben, Ribery, Neuer, Lahm and (soon) Lewandowski all ahead of him. And on the German National team I add Ozil,

But my god he scores in World Cup games, yes?!

. . . .

Whew

USA

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The Luis Suarez sanction is correct. For this third offense, it is precisely what is appropriate.


Darn... I wanted the US to beat Germany. And double darn since I was not able to watch this game due to work scheduling. BUT Yes! We made it to the round of 16 just like I predicted.


stormraven wrote:
Suarez should be banned for life.

Considering that being a man down hurt Italy tremendously, and Suarez wasn't even issued a yellow card, I think Uruguay should have to forfeit. Suarez is part of the team, so the team did something egregious. They should be outta there.

(Of course, the fact that the Azzurri looked terrible for much of the Cup has a lot to do with having been dismissed, too.)

What chance the United States shocks Belgium and the world with a win?


Curiously, on South America many think that the Luis Suarez sanctions has been excesive, including... Maradona. That man can't keep his mouth closed.

Please, Barça, we don't want cannibals on practice on the team. Don´t contract Luis Suarez. Messi and Neymar should be enough. Barça even want to pay less for him, 50 millions instead of 60. That seems very low for a team like Barça.

If I have seen well the 1/8 encounters, there can be a France- Germany on quarter finals? That can be really interesting.


Jaelithe wrote:
What chance the United States shocks Belgium and the world with a win?

I'd be more shocked if Belgium won.

Liberty's Edge

Slaunyeh wrote:
Jaelithe wrote:
What chance the United States shocks Belgium and the world with a win?
I'd be more shocked if Belgium won.

Yep - I think the US will beat Belgium. I'm going to predict the USA over Belgium 2-0


Marc Radle wrote:
Slaunyeh wrote:
Jaelithe wrote:
What chance the United States shocks Belgium and the world with a win?
I'd be more shocked if Belgium won.
Yep - I think the US will beat Belgium. I'm going to predict the USA over Belgium 2-0

Belgium was not impressive so far, i think your chances are good

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I think Belgium vs. US will be an even match. Belgium is not playing that well, but from what I've seen and read, their academic project to produce quality players is paying off in terms of results.

That said, the US team has more heart, so I predict a draw, with the US moving forward in the penalty shoot-outs.

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The Suarez punishment is the kind of thing that makes other sports look down on football.

In rugby a third-offense of biting would get your banned from all form of the game for two or three years.

Slap on the wrist.

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Pedro Coelho wrote:

I think Belgium vs. US will be an even match. Belgium is not playing that well, but from what I've seen and read, their academic project to produce quality players is paying off in terms of results.

That said, the US team has more heart, so I predict a draw, with the US moving forward in the penalty shoot-outs.

Usually, the team which achieves a draw through extra 'heart' is spent at the end and lacks the essential quality to execute top skills while exhausted.

Given a penalty shoot out, I would expect Belgium to go through.

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GeraintElberion wrote:
Usually, the team which achieves a draw through extra 'heart' is spent at the end and lacks the essential quality to execute top skills while exhausted.

Oh, if only football were an exact science... anyway, I stand by my guess. Penalty shoot-outs are quite emotional, anything can happen. Roberto Baggio was as skilled as it gets and look where he landed that ball back in '94.


It's landed already?


And Belgium should go through simply because they have a player (Fellaini) who looks like he's playing in the 1974 tournament.

Grand Lodge

Slaunyeh wrote:
What chance the United States shocks Belgium and the world with a win?
Jaelithe wrote:
I'd be more shocked if Belgium won.
Marc Radle wrote:
(Me too)

Wow.

Now I'm shocked.

I do believe that the US has a chance to win. We play together as a team and fight for every minute.

But Belgium has plenty of rest having played, what, 7 or 8 backups in their game 3... And despite having had some problems playing together as a team of incredible individuals, I think they're more likely to get better as a team unit the further they go; they will not stagnate.

And less we forget... Romelu Lukaku... Eden Hazard... Kompany... Fellaini... etc... etc... etc... At every single position. Every. Single. Position. They are much better. Much better. Clint Dempsey is good. He sure as hell ain't Lukaku or Hazard (depending on where Dempsey is played). Michael Bradley is good. Jermaine Jones is solid and having a good Cup. Tim Howard is GREAT. But in every position Belgium is better.

I predicted US to upset the Group in December to advance. I also predicted US in December to lose to Belgium.

Here's hoping I'm wrong!

Go USA!

Grand Lodge

So what will happen in the Round of 16 everybody?...
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Will Holland beat Mexico 7-0?
Or will Holland beat Mexico 8-0?
Or maybe 9-0.
Which one?

. . . .

Brasil vs Chile is a tough choice -- I barely predict Chile to win.

Columbia vs Uruguay is also tough -- Uruguay will play furiously. Columbia will win. (My toughest choice this round)

Switzerland will give Argentina everything they can handle but will still lose; Messi shall score a brace, at least.

Belgium will win (god I hope not and we Americans do, at least, have a shot -- unlike Mexico, Nigeria and Algeria -- who will be humiliated in their games.)

Costa Rica will beat Greece. Wait, I mean, England will beat Italy. Wait, I mean ... Are you sure Costa Rica and Greece are playing each other?!?


wow, what a first half from Brazil and Chile


I'm working and can't see the match :(

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Ok, now that we had to defeat both Chile AND Howard Webb, we redeemed ourselves from that penalty against Croatia.


Pedro Coelho wrote:
Ok, now that we had to defeat both Chile AND Howard Webb, we redeemed ourselves from that penalty against Croatia.

?

Webb did a very good job, every decision except for one yellow card was correct

Silver Crusade

Poor Gonzalo Jara, played for my team - Nottingham Forest. So close with his penalty. Glad to see the hosts go through though.

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aeglos wrote:
Webb did a very good job, every decision except for one yellow card was correct

From FIFA' "Rules of the Game" document:

Quote:
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm.

The ball touched Hulk's right shoulder but not his upper arm, which is legit. Every news site has described this as a controversial decision, but Webb ruled against Brazil in every controversial decision (including the time Hulk was touched from behind inside the area, in the first half). Overall, he was terrible at awarding free kicks and fell for every dive Chile took (and a few from Brazil, too). Advantage? Forget about it. He stopped the game every 30 seconds. Silva and Vidal ganging up on Neymar? Not even a direct free kick. And then, there's the absolutely ridiculous yellow card awarded to Dani Alves.

Anyway, despite my opinions about the refereeeing, Brazil was awful, Chile played very well despite being exhausted at the end of the match, Julio Cesar saved the day and we'll definetely need to draft the rest of the Avengers for the next game. :P


Pedro Coelho wrote:
aeglos wrote:
Webb did a very good job, every decision except for one yellow card was correct

From FIFA' "Rules of the Game" document:

Quote:
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm.

The ball touched Hulk's right shoulder but not his upper arm, which is legit. Every news site has described this as a controversial decision, but Webb ruled against Brazil in every controversial decision (including the time Hulk was touched from behind inside the area, in the first half). Overall, he was terrible at awarding free kicks and fell for every dive Chile took (and a few from Brazil, too). Advantage? Forget about it. He stopped the game every 30 seconds. Silva and Vidal ganging up on Neymar? Not even a direct free kick. And then, there's the absolutely ridiculous yellow card awarded to Dani Alves.

Anyway, despite my opinions about the refereeeing, Brazil was awful, Chile played very well despite being exhausted at the end of the match, Julio Cesar saved the day and we'll definetely need to draft the rest of the Avengers for the next game. :P

yeah I gotta agree.

Disastrous referee. The goal was legit.


Pedro Coelho wrote:
aeglos wrote:
Webb did a very good job, every decision except for one yellow card was correct

From FIFA' "Rules of the Game" document:

Quote:
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm.

The ball touched Hulk's right shoulder but not his upper arm, which is legit. Every news site has described this as a controversial decision, but Webb ruled against Brazil in every controversial decision (including the time Hulk was touched from behind inside the area, in the first half). Overall, he was terrible at awarding free kicks and fell for every dive Chile took (and a few from Brazil, too). Advantage? Forget about it. He stopped the game every 30 seconds. Silva and Vidal ganging up on Neymar? Not even a direct free kick. And then, there's the absolutely ridiculous yellow card awarded to Dani Alves.

Anyway, despite my opinions about the refereeeing, Brazil was awful, Chile played very well despite being exhausted at the end of the match, Julio Cesar saved the day and we'll definetely need to draft the rest of the Avengers for the next game. :P

well I agree on Dani Alves and he could have protected Neymar a bit more with some cards

but I just watched the Hulk goal some more times on YouTube, the ref was right, it was upper arm, the ball would have gotten away without his arm

strangly, all german news sites agree with me and share my opinion that he was a very good referee while englis speaking sites seem to agree with you


looks like he even uses the inside of his ellbow

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Blimey, that Colombia goal was very special. Loved it!


GeraintElberion wrote:
Blimey, that Colombia goal was very special. Loved it!

Colombia's goal (both of them) were classy... What a strong team!


The first place I see people saying the goal was legit, it was An open hand that put the ball just to in the right place for Hulk to score. IMHO, it was a very acceptable referee, the only thing is that he should have shown the yellow card earlier in the game.


Jaelithe wrote:
I'd be more shocked if Belgium won.

Uh ... I never said this. That was Slaunyeh.

But I don't buy for an instant that Belgium is better at every position. The U.S.'s superior athleticism might well weigh in if it's a hot, sunny, humid day.

I don't see Mexico humiliated, either. As with any low-scoring sport of this sort, a superhuman goalie affords you a chance. El Tri might well come out and run well with the Dutch. If so, they could sneak out a win. More likely, Ochoa will keep them in the game and prevent a blowout. I'd say Netherlands 3-1 is probably about right ... and Mexico's best chance is 2-1 their way.

Liberty's Edge

I'm still standing firmly by The US over Belgium 2-1


aeglos wrote:
looks like he even uses the inside of his ellbow

Are you kidding me? The ball was nowhere near his elbow! The video you have linked clearly shows that. It hit him between his right shoulder and right biceps. Which is legal!

And that is a very unfavorable POV!

not in the hand

To me its very clear that the referee was just too far away from the play to see what happened, so he decided to not risk giving Brazil an advantage.

Hopefully, this may be MR. Webb's last match in the World Cup.

In any event, GO Colombia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ral' Yareth wrote:
aeglos wrote:
looks like he even uses the inside of his ellbow

Are you kidding me? The ball was nowhere near his elbow! The video you have linked clearly shows that. It hit him between his right shoulder and right biceps. Which is legal!

And that is a very unfavorable POV!

not in the hand

To me its very clear that the referee was just too far away from the play to see what happened, so he decided to not risk giving Brazil an advantage.

Hopefully, this may be MR. Webb's last match in the World Cup.

In any event, GO Colombia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the pic in your link is clearly taken right before the ball hits the arm

even the article in your link does not say it was wrong, non of the twitter comments in the link say it was wrong

The Sun calls Webbs performance "excellent"
the Mirrors main article on the match says it was hand
all important german sites: "bild" "spiegel" "kicker" and "sport1" agree it was hand and praise Webbs performance

only the english Guardian is of the opinion it was not hand and a bad performance by Webb


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I dunno, looks like he uses his upper arm to me. When the ball is coming across your front like that usually you have to pop it with your chest to control it which means your arms come back. It looks like his stays in front of him the whole time in a cupping motion which would suggest it's intentional as well. Just my 2 cents.

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Wow, no one is talking about the Dutch-Mexico game, that's odd.


Cr500cricket wrote:
Wow, no one is talking about the Dutch-Mexico game, that's odd.

the little bit I could see between cooking dinner and bringing the boy to bed, it was a very boring tactical match


Cr500cricket wrote:
Wow, no one is talking about the Dutch-Mexico game, that's odd.

Hey you guys already guilted me into adding Germany to my watched games list right after team USA. I don't have any interest in those teams...


One of the few good things of not having Spain there is that I can take a neutral position on the rest of the World Cup, something I really like. But I can't see the Mexico/ Holland from where I am, only some comments on the web. From that, seems that Mexico is playing better than the oranges-specialists-on-losing-finals ones.

Edit: Mexico scores will I'm writing. Netherlands can be in real problems right now.

Associate Editor

We're waiting for Mexico-Netherlands to end so we can stream it (no cable).

Chile played well, might have lost but with that quality of play, they can hold their heads high. And oh, James Rodríguez's goals were lovely! And so many years of playing still ahead of him, hopefully 3 more World Cups!

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Judy Bauer wrote:
We're waiting for Mexico-Netherlands to end so we can stream it (no cable).

This might help


aeglos wrote:
Ral' Yareth wrote:
aeglos wrote:
looks like he even uses the inside of his ellbow

Are you kidding me? The ball was nowhere near his elbow! The video you have linked clearly shows that. It hit him between his right shoulder and right biceps. Which is legal!

And that is a very unfavorable POV!

not in the hand

To me its very clear that the referee was just too far away from the play to see what happened, so he decided to not risk giving Brazil an advantage.

Hopefully, this may be MR. Webb's last match in the World Cup.

In any event, GO Colombia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the pic in your link is clearly taken right before the ball hits the arm

even the article in your link does not say it was wrong, non of the twitter comments in the link say it was wrong

The Sun calls Webbs performance "excellent"
the Mirrors main article on the match says it was hand
all important german sites: "bild" "spiegel" "kicker" and "sport1" agree it was hand and praise Webbs performance

only the english Guardian is of the opinion it was not hand and a bad performance by Webb

South American papers disagree though. To me it seems more of a case of European papers protecting an European referee.

There is a video that was aired on cable tv here from the same POV of the picture above. It clearly shows that the ball did not touch either his arm or elbow, but I can't find it online yet.

Webb's performance was atrocious and I really hope he does not advance in the competition, but I guess we will have to disagree on that.

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Oh dear god, Netherlands cut it very close


Alaryth wrote:
Edit: Mexico scores will I'm writing. Netherlands can be in real problems right now.

I feel bad for Mexico. So close!


So.. I really like Holland, but Robben is one of the biggest cheats at that level of te game.


Yeah. Clearly the better side today is going home.

A little crappy officiating that favors the traditional power never hurts, either. No way that was a penalty near the end. On the other hand, the one in the first half definitely was, and wasn't called, so things worked out fairly insofar as chances go. The timing, of course, was quite convenient for Holland. Funny, that.

Typical Mexico: They look great and find a way to lose the big game at the last.

Viva Costa Rica! Viva Los Estados Unidos! Viva CONCACAF!


Oh, there is no such thing as "European papers protecting an European referee". Here on Europe (Spain for sure, and for what I now, rest of Europe too) we love to attack our referees.

Ends the match Netherlands - Mexico. Poor, poor Mexico. How many times they go out on 1/8 with good games? Winning 1-0 an losing 1-2 on the lasts 5 minutes really hurts.


Mexico gave up the match in the end.

They should have kept attacking like they did the whole game.

In the end, by adopting a more defensive formation, they pretty much invited netherlands to attack. Not a wise choice IMO.


poor Mexico

that sould not have been a penalty, Robben used a small touch to dive


Alaryth wrote:
Oh, there is no such thing as "European papers protecting an European referee". Here on Europe (Spain for sure, and for what I now, rest of Europe too) we love to attack our referees.

Not blaming European fans, by any means. But there's little to no question that favorites and traditional powers like Brazil, Argentina, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Germany, et al. get the benefit of the doubt in major tournament officiating. (That Japanese referee must have gotten a payoff his call was so egregiously bad.) That penalty, at that time in the game, would have been called in Mexico's favor only one time—on the Twelfth of Never. A yellow card at that point, for essentially giving a dirty look? Ridiculous.

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