Tennis!???
Germany won first set 6-0.
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7-0. They should have gone for the two-point conversion!
Football it is then.
Don't you mean American Soccer? ;)
Time to bring out the white hankies.
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Are they planning to salt the earth after the match as well?
Well, it is kinda unfair when your keeper is clairvoyant, I suppose. But even if Brazil had scored on all their chances, they wouldn't be halfway there.
Well the German keeper has made 3-5 great saves.
Well the German keeper has made 3-5 great saves.
He's been playing a great game.
Hell, my office is right around the corner from the biggest german colonial club in the city.
I should probably start heading home before the game ends, or I'll be stuck in traffic while the kuchens and frankfurters fly all over the place.
He's been playing well, but his team has been helping keep a lot of the pressure off.
Gotta be the first time I've seen a goalscorer almost break into tears of despair.
There's no team I'd rather be ran over by than Germany. I hope they win the Cup. :)
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"This won't be the first time that thousands of Germans will have to lie low in Brazil for a while for their own safety".
Thank you, Ricky Gervais.
"This won't be the first time that thousands of Germans will have to lie low in Brazil for a while for their own safety".
Thank you, Ricky Gervais.
bahaha
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There is this dude across the street from me, he is screaming like his genitals are trapped in a vice. I think that he bet on Brazil.
I don't mind sports. I just hate the overabundance of people just PRATTLING on about it.
I had to unfriend a guy, because he posted a status every freaking five minutes.
An amazing game indeed.
Congratulations, Germany, for a well-excecuted... excecution, I suppose.
Still, my sympathies for Brazil. Love you guys.
Hama, I think what the others were pointing at is that it is alright if you don't like football, but choosing a thread specifically meant to discuss the world cup by people who are enjoying it to say it is kind of an unnecessary downer.
Chose the right team after my Socceroos were knocked out.
That looked so fixed it is not funny.
Don't be a downer, this was one of the greatest games of a German selection I've ever seen.
Don't be a downer, this was one of the greatest games of a German selection I've ever seen.
That, combined with the worst performance by the Brazilian team since it was created in 1914. The previous worst goal difference was in the 1920, Uruguay 6x0 Brazil.
I'd never seen anything like that.
Some way to celebrate a centenary...
[EDIT]Truth be told, back then we hadn't been on the receiving end of Mick Jagger's curse.[/EDIT]
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That looked so fixed it is not funny.
What, someone bribed Germany to try extra hard? :p
Don't be a downer, this was one of the greatest games of a German selection I've ever seen.That, combined with the worst performance by the Brazilian team since it was created in 1914. The previous worst goal difference was in the 1920, Uruguay 6x0 Brazil.
I'd never seen anything like that.
Some way to celebrate a centenary...
[EDIT]Truth be told, back then we hadn't been on the receiving end of Mick Jagger's curse.[/EDIT]
If it's any consolation, the last time one of the final four teams lost 7-1, they went on to finish third (also in Brazil, actually.)
So disappointed. If only Ozil had slotted that sitter it would have been a fantastical 8-0. Eight to zip. :)
I'll have to settle for a fantastic 7-1. An absolute drubbing.
I turned up at my brother's house at 6:05 am, 5 minutes into the game. My brother says "Where is your Germany shirt?" I look to see him, his wife and three kids all in Germany shirts. He hands me an old #13 to put on and says "The Germs haven't been playing too well..." Six minutes later, #13 Müller puts in the first. Thus it began. 5-0 within half an hour. So glorious. At 4-0 I almost cried at the freakishness of it all. And it wasn't over yet.
So happy to see David Luiz lose. I'm small-hearted like that.
That looked so fixed it is not funny.What, someone bribed Germany to try extra hard? :p
if you are not familiar with point spreads, I could see you thinking that. As someone who is, im sure there are a lot of people who lost a lot of money betting on that game on the victor alone, and even more who lost on the point spread.
So happy to see David Luiz lose. I'm small-hearted like that.
Just out of curiosity, what's your beef with David Luiz? I haven't followed his career at Chelsea, but he doesn't strike me as a vicious player or anyhting like that, at least not from what I've seen lately... and off the field he's actually quite a nice person. His statement after yesterday's defeat was really heartfelt.
[In tears] "I just wanted to bring some joy to my people, a people that already suffers so much with so many problems. Unfortunately we didn't make it. I apologize to everyone, to all Brazilians, I just wanted to see them smile. Everybody knows how important it was to me, to see everyone happy, if only for our football. They [Germany] were better, they were better prepared and played a better game. We suffered, I think, four goals in six minutes... it's a day to... a day of great sadness, and also a great lesson.
[After Germany scored] We got lost in the field, they realized that and managed to score again and again. It's very hard to explain that in retrospect. It's a dream coming to an end, not in the way we had hoped for.
In my life I've learned to always man up, I won't run from this, I'll take the blame, but I won't give up. Someday, somehow, I'll give our people something to be glad about."
if you are not familiar with point spreads, I could see you thinking that. As someone who is, im sure there are a lot of people who lost a lot of money betting on that game on the victor alone, and even more who lost on the point spread.That looked so fixed it is not funny.What, someone bribed Germany to try extra hard? :p
well, FHDM,
obviously you do not fully comprehend the importance of soccer in Brasil. This is a tradgedy down there, these players while be on shame their whole live -and beyond.I don'tknow if Fred can ever walk a street without a bodyguard
and that game was so fully outside of everything logically possible
no way in hell anything was fixed
a 1-2 in a group game, maybe
a SEMIFINAL, Brasil loosing a Semifinal in Brasil
a 7-1
you can not fix something like that
if you are not familiar with point spreads, I could see you thinking that. As someone who is, im sure there are a lot of people who lost a lot of money betting on that game on the victor alone, and even more who lost on the point spread.That looked so fixed it is not funny.What, someone bribed Germany to try extra hard? :pwell, FHDM,
obviously you do not fully comprehend the importance of soccer in Brasil. This is a tradgedy down there, these players while be on shame their whole live -and beyond.
I don'tknow if Fred can ever walk a street without a bodyguardand that game was so fully outside of everything logically possible
no way in hell anything was fixed
a 1-2 in a group game, maybe
a SEMIFINAL, Brasil loosing a Semifinal in Brasil
a 7-1
you can not fix something like that
The importance of enough money to swim in is not to be underestimated. I'm not saying the game was fixed, but is that a possibility? Yes. People have done far worse things than lose at their nation's favorite sport for a dragon's hoard of gold.
I thought by That he meant Brazil and by fixed he meant neutered.
Haha. I like that. :p
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even more proud of the U.S. team now after watching that brazil/germany game
sooo, willwe revist the 74 final (Germany beating Holland)
or the 90 final (Germany beating Argentina)
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*happily ignores the 86 final Argentina beating Germany*
the game yesterday had the highest ever rating in German TV history,
88% of switched on TV sets where following the game, 32 million people watching, not counting the countless public events, bars and partys with more than 1 person in front of the tv set
of course the top ten ratings in German TV are all world cup or Euro matches, 11th place was a episode of "black forrest hospital"
if you are not familiar with point spreads, I could see you thinking that. As someone who is, im sure there are a lot of people who lost a lot of money betting on that game on the victor alone, and even more who lost on the point spread.That looked so fixed it is not funny.What, someone bribed Germany to try extra hard? :pwell, FHDM,
obviously you do not fully comprehend the importance of soccer in Brasil. This is a tradgedy down there, these players while be on shame their whole live -and beyond.
I don'tknow if Fred can ever walk a street without a bodyguardand that game was so fully outside of everything logically possible
no way in hell anything was fixed
a 1-2 in a group game, maybe
a SEMIFINAL, Brasil loosing a Semifinal in Brasil
a 7-1
you can not fix something like that
I think its my american appreciation of sports scores that makes this look like point shaving. A team that is about to be blanked in what many would call a lopsided match that is in their favor suddenly scoring a single goal in the last few moments of the game would be very suspicious in american football. Maybe someone who is into sports more than me can make the case better- or really prove me wrong, to be fair. Not at all saying Germany doesn't deserve it's victory and should loudly crow it, in fact. if anything, I'm suspicious of Brazil's team. To me, and this is just me, it really looks like they took a dive.
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I think its my american appreciation of sports scores that makes this look like point shaving. A team that is about to be blanked in what many would call a lopsided match that is in their favor suddenly scoring a single goal in the last few moments of the game would be very suspicious in american football. Maybe someone who is into sports more than me can make the case better- or really prove me wrong, to be fair. Not at all saying Germany doesn't deserve it's victory and should loudly crow it, in fact. if anything, I'm suspicious of Brazil's team. To me, and this is just me, it really looks like they took a dive.if you are not familiar with point spreads, I could see you thinking that. As someone who is, im sure there are a lot of people who lost a lot of money betting on that game on the victor alone, and even more who lost on the point spread.That looked so fixed it is not funny.What, someone bribed Germany to try extra hard? :pwell, FHDM,
obviously you do not fully comprehend the importance of soccer in Brasil. This is a tradgedy down there, these players while be on shame their whole live -and beyond.
I don'tknow if Fred can ever walk a street without a bodyguardand that game was so fully outside of everything logically possible
no way in hell anything was fixed
a 1-2 in a group game, maybe
a SEMIFINAL, Brasil loosing a Semifinal in Brasil
a 7-1
you can not fix something like that
have you seen the faces of the players after the match? have you seen the people? do you know the importance of that match for the whole country?
do you know how much money the brasilian player could have made with merchandizing and commercials and sponsors if they would have become champions? now they may never get a tv commercial againand to get that result both teams would have to work together
and there seems to be exactly 1 person on the planet betting on that result: 20$ he gets 40.000 return, not a good deal if he payed some 30 or 40 million $ on bribes
we have seen HISTORY yesterday, something unbelivable, a once in a livetime match a match like the "Mother of all matches" in 1970, "The Rain Battle of Frankfurt" in 74, "the miracle of Bern" in 54 or "the wembley goal" in 66
our team made the whole Country of Germany speechless for 30 minutes, really I think for 30 minutes not one word was spoken over here, complete awe
and my deepest respect goes to the brasilian team and people for their fairness and sportsmanship, only in defeat real character will show
have you seen the picture of the old, mustached brasilian guy crying with a copy of the trophy? there is a picture where he gave that trophy to ayoung german woman after the match - cudos, that is sportsmanship
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Financially, it's madness to suggest this as well.
Every player, including all subs, would have to be bribed.
Top level footballers earn millions every year.
In order to jeopardise their future earnings (the risk of being caught) the bribing group would have had to shell out, at minimum, five years wages per player.
For Fred alone, that's $20million. Across the side it's probably going to add up to well over $200million.
For this kind of high-stakes corruption your going to want to, at minimum, double your money.
How is a criminal enterprise going to make c.$400million from that game?
In a footballing sense, this is a thing that happens in football: this is a game between two of the top sides in England.
Cricket has had match-fixing scandals because wages in some of the major international nations are quite low and there is a lot of betting on the games in unregulated or poorly regulated regions.
Even in Cricket, English and Australian players have not been implicated in any match-fixing because they're earning above the bribery=profit threshold (a regular international player will probably earn just over £1million a year).
if anything, I'm suspicious of Brazil's team. To me, and this is just me, it really looks like they took a dive.
Everything Aeglos and GeraintElberion said is absolutely right. I just wanted to say that your suspicion is probably fruit of cultural barriers. Brazil's team was under a lot of pressure and completely devoted to this Cup; in fact, I can`t remember a line-up that was more commited to it in the recent past, to a point of severe emotional instability. What happened right after the first German goal was a complete psychological collapse of the whole team, which wasn't that good in the first place.
Based on the aforementioned math and on a deep understanding of Brazilian culture and displays of emotion, I can tell with 100% certainty that Brazil did not take a dive.
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if anything, I'm suspicious of Brazil's team. To me, and this is just me, it really looks like they took a dive.Everything Aeglos and GeraintElberion said is absolutely right. I just wanted to say that your suspicion is probably fruit of cultural barriers. Brazil's team was under a lot of pressure and completely devoted to this Cup; in fact, I can`t remember a line-up that was more commited to it in the recent past, to a point of severe emotional instability. What happened right after the first German goal was a complete psychological collapse of the whole team, which wasn't that good in the first place.
Based on the aforementioned math and on a deep understanding of Brazilian culture and displays of emotion, I can tell with 100% certainty that Brazil did not take a dive.
I just want to find the guy willing to give seven points.
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Nope, we did better. USA USA!!!
even more proud of the U.S. team now after watching that brazil/germany gameMaybe, but as I said earlier soccer is pretty swinging and random.
Even more to the point the Transitive Property too often doesn't apply to sports.
Aeglos, our german friend, can talk about that, something about two different matches between Germany and Hungary on a world cup maaaaany years ago. You can say those where REALLY different matches with the same teams on the same cup.
Edit: I'm with Coelho. That was a total psicological collapse, but I would thing that was with the 2-0. The pressure for Brasil was brutal.
I guess the best way to make money on bribes and betting isn't on the score - but the ephemera, like # of goal kicks, corners, etc. The same way as in cricket people were caught for no-balls in X over.
Anyway, well done Germany and it's a tight game at the moment. Penalties??? If so have Holland shook off the bugbear?
Resume of Netherlands - Argentina: ZZZzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZZ
What waste of 90 minutes.
It's like neither team wants to win and have to face Germany after yesterday's result!