Improved Unarmed, Feral Combat Traininig and Animal Companion

[redviiper]

Assuming a wolf had 4 int and then took improved unarmed strike and feral combat training. Would he make attacks with his bite at BAB? Is this PFS legal?

[chaoseffect]

No. Feral Combat Training just lets you apply your unarmed strikes related feats to your bite; for instance if you invested heavily in Style feats. It does not change it from a natural attack, so it still follows the natural attack rules.

That aside, animals can make unarmed strikes iirc so your wolf could theoretically take Improved Unarmed and get attacks via BAB and then use his bite as a secondary natural attack.

[Joe loves Rules]

Doesn't he always make bite attacks at full BAB? Or am I misunderstanding the question?

[chaoseffect]

I think he meant can he get additional attacks via increased BAB with his bite if he takes the feat (i.e. 2 bites at BAB 6, 3 at BAB 11); the answer to that is no.

[Joe loves Rules]

Oh I see. Yep, no iterative attacks on natural even with FCT.

[graystone]

Joe loves Rules wrote:

Oh I see. Yep, no iterative attacks on natural even with FCT.

It works if your animal has a level of monk. "Special: If you are a monk, you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature."

[redviiper]

There would be no realistic way to give the animal companion a monk level is there?.... Maybe its a special entry for Panda companions.

[redviiper]

Thanks yeah iterative was what I was wondering. Then another question if I have Feral Combat training and Vicious Stomp would he attack with his natural instead of the unarmed strike there?

[graystone]

redviiper wrote:

There would be no realistic way to give the animal companion a monk level is there?.... Maybe its a special entry for Panda companions.

LOL You never said anything about an animal companion. A normal wolf can have Awaken cast on them (5th level druid spell), and then learn a level of monk.

[Joe loves Rules]

redviiper wrote:

Thanks yeah iterative was what I was wondering. Then another question if I have Feral Combat training and Vicious Stomp would he attack with his natural instead of the unarmed strike there?

Yes. You absolutely can use vicious stomp to bite if you have feral combat training for your bite attack. So your wolf could bite and and get the free trip and then if successful, bite again because of vicious stomp.

If your wolf also has combat reflexes and greater trip (int 13 prereq, but you know...) he could bite, get the free trip attempt, and if successful bite once for tripping the poor sucker (greater trip) and bite again for him going prone (vicious stomp).

[blahpers]

I propose writing it down in the sheet as Vicious Chomp.

[christos gurd]

Wait is there style feat exploits with this?

[BigNorseWolf]

christos gurd wrote:

Wait is there style feat exploits with this?

Dragonstyle is pretty popular for pouncing kitties and raptors