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In this case, the overwhelming opinion is that YES, Pax Golgotha is part of Pax and that YES Golgotha should have a settlement anyways because they are a special case.
The overwhelming opinion of those who are posting in this conflict-laden thread. Not by any means the overwhelming opinion of those who will participate in the Land Rush, most of whom will never see anything written in this thread. All they'll see is Pax with two entries, and they'll draw their own obvious conclusions.
It takes a special kind of insanity to expose yourself to the kind of hatred and derision I've endured here and elsewhere for standing up for an unpopular position. I'll note that the vast majority of that hatred and derision has come from a fairly small number of posters. I wouldn't ask anyone to expose themselves to that same hatred and derision just to register their "vote" on this matter - which they cannot do anonymously without giving everyone reason to believe they're just sock puppet accounts.
Pax is one Guild. Pax Golgotha should withdraw from the Land Rush and apply all of their votes to Pax Aeternum.
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All apologies to Ryan, but he is the one that said the community should police itself and unless Goblinworks comes down and takes action themselves (which they said they won't), it's up to the community to do what WE THINK IS BEST. If Ryan wants to enforce a rule, he has the power to do it.
I don't know about you, but I honestly think forcing the community to police itself is one of the worst decisions possible. Especially since all we have right now is forum politics and ego wars.
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Just a thought here... The groups with less then 10 members, and even the groups with less then 20 members, will not own their settlements once siege warfare has begun.If they do not own a settlement at all, it is more likely that they will stay in the game longer. If they are removed from a settlement they are more likely to quit.
I wouldn't be so sure. My prediction is that smaller "guilds" that find themselves in control of an early-game settlement would have a prime opportunity to recruit some of the other 70+ "guilds" that failed to achieve the same. If they played their cards right, they could end up being larger than some of the "top 10" "guilds" in the LR2. Just a thought - because Deathwatch was considering trying to do the same (it was our "Plan A").
... Separate websites, separate private forums, separate voting structures, separate meta game guilds. No common military, no common diplomacy, not even a promise to form in game nations. ...
^ This. All of this. As being one of the more recent companies to join the Accord, I can clearly see that while there is very, very open communication between members of the Accord, we each have our own priorities and all the things Avari mentioned. I think that this thread should show great evidence of that, as it appears to me (I may be wrong?), each company from the Accord has their own opinion on the situation at hand. Even some members of these companies are speaking on their own behalf.
... Can Nihimon come in an unequivocally say that Veil has not given any votes to any other settlement in the Accord? ...
I'm not saying that I disagree nor agree with Nihimon's stance in this argument by stating the following:
On behalf of Deathwatch, I admittedly approached Nihimon about doing something similar to what Pax is [perceived to be] doing with Golgotha. I spouted out some random plan that would involve soliciting T7V's assistance gaining extra votes for Deathwatch's settlement (which, to be fair, was to involve those who voted for us to actually reside within). There were to be benefits for T7V as well, according to the proposed plan.
Nihimon and other leaders of T7V were against the idea, solely based on the idea that no matter how fair or rule-abiding the plan could become with tweaking or otherwise, it would still look dishonest and would make us look like we're doing the same thing as Pax - even if we weren't.
The plan was quickly destroyed, and we investigated other options to how me might work with T7V, the Accord, and other supporters. We found a few options, and ultimately found the best for everyone's interest.
Now, speaking on my own accord, I believe that what Pax is doing is very much perceived as unfair - but only because there are no technical restrictions keeping people who vote for a guild in LR2 to actually play/live within that settlement.
Perhaps the best solution to please all parties involved would be a simple plan as such:
- "Pax Golgotha" should disband
- A new "Golgotha" should be re-formed, preferably by the original leaders of Golgotha (before it was directly associated with Pax)
- The description should clearly state its intent (to play closely with Pax Aeternum and to eventually form a Kingdom with them).
- It should also state that only members planning to stay within this settlement should vote for it, and further play/live within it later.
- Members of the original Golgotha and any recruits since should join it.
- Pax members that had not voted for Aternum in the original land rush and who cannot (for alignment reasons) live/play within the walls of Aternum should perhaps be considered as new recruits.
I believe a plan like this would help Pax's image, perhaps make Nihimon a little bit less angry, still abide by the rules set forth by Goblinworks for LR2, still keep PFO looking like a fun game to play.
Perhaps I'm being too idealistic.
EDIT: And, perhaps I've opened myself up for a whole lot of flaming?
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What I'm doing is asking Pax Members to look objectively at what's happening here and ask their leadership to live up to a higher standard.
Pax is one Guild. Pax Golgotha should withdraw from the Land Rush and apply all their votes to Pax Aeternum. The Members of Pax can look objectively at the original post in this thread and come to the same conclusion.
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Nihimon and Decius are and always have been guided by unwavering principles, sometimes to a fault.
And where were those unwavering principles when he stood back and supported an ex-TSV founder who only came crawling back after jumping ship didn't work, and some punk who joined TEO the week before in placing the settlement he watched his "friend" work two years to earn and maintain be placed in the one area that "friend" had adamantly stated he found to be an unacceptable location.
"We'll accept all you've done for us, and well call you a traitor, a quitter, and oathbreaker etc. if you don't put out even more effort for us to wipe our asses with, but like hell if we'll acknowledge the labors you've already put forth by making your vote count for more than anyone who spends 2 minutes registering on the CoTP boards. Just keep working for us and expecting nothing in return or you're a toxic troll."
Sorry if I don't swoon over golden boy but when push came to shove his principles weren't worth a hell of a lot. I discarded my regard for them in the same trash bin I tossed his empty declarations of friendship. He was just as willing to use me as any of the rest of you.
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Roseblood Accord gained the first Landrush, mixing votes wasn't possible, there is no point in the comparison between the RA and PAX. That's stupid.Acting like there is no comparison is stupid. T7V and TEO have been working hand in hand since the first land rush. Nothing has changed since. Neither does anything official without the support of the other.
2, or 5, or 10, or every guild in this land rush is allowed to decide to work together, become allies, or form nations if they want to. No one thinks otherwise.
The Roseblood Accord isn't even as strong as those universally acceptable things. Magistry, for example, is highly unlikely to be in a nation with T7V. We aren't even approaching the line of confusion of whether Magistry and T7V are "one guild" and I don't think that any objective observer thinks otherwise.
What's not allowed (or strongly discouraged, or a "grey area", or whatever you want to call it) is one guild having two settlements.
If you think Pax is in the clear, fine, have that opinion. I don't care. But using really, really bad arguments like the Roseblood Accord is comparable to Pax isn't the most effective way to support your point.
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Really? What 'acknowledgement' did you expect from your 'labours'? Unending worship? Supplication of all your 'subjects'?
You lost TEO because of your ridiculous behaviour. No one 'stole' it from you. You screwed up.
End of story.
Perhaps our settlement location to be settled by a council vote as per how TEO's government is supposed to operate instead of popular vote among a bunch of people who as of yet have contributed little to nothing?
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This is childish, all of it.
ALL of you, all of the people that help build the foundation of this community, most of the people in this thread, will most likely have to band together sometime in the near future, why?
Because there are plenty of other things to worry about, plenty of organizations larger than Pax gaming that intends to invade PFO at OE. Plenty of shadow organizations already forming with the sole intent to end the Empire of Xeilias and the Roseblood Accord.
We have many more common interests to see PFO succeed, than we have to debate on resolved issues, old history being dredged up, and for some of you plain immaturity.
Whether you agree with me or not, these things WILL happen, would you rather be on good terms all the way around, or would you rather arguing and debating until it leads to war. Do you know what war is going to do to us starting out? I don't mean PvP, I am talking about hardcore feuding, and what it does is lead to stunted growth.
I would rather see all parties currently flourish, from Roseblood, to Pax, the FMS/PTV guys, the Elven empire, the Germans, all the way to UNC and its umbrella. Eventually, we will all need each other, the entire damn game is based on needing each other at some point.
I don't care about seeing us all hold each others hands and start some kind of musical, but let us let everything drop, let us start anew, clean slate and everything as a community.
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Thats fine and all... But you are the spokes mouth for T7V and the RoseBlood Accord.
Perception and all here.
You speak for the two groups. So your opinions are the words of both groups. You should have thought of that before posting. Both groups should think about it a bit.
Xeen, that is quite enough.
What you appear to be doing here is fabricating such a perception.
I know you and a couple of others either believe this, or at least conveniently ignore all evidence to the contrary; neither of which makes it public opinion.
Nihimon's actions will alter the reputation of the Accord and by association its members. At most, he speaks for our reputation in that sense, but no more or less so than everyone else in the Accord.
Just as Nihimon does not speak for the Accord, neither do you. If you continue to make claims that anyone that has availed themselves of our posts concerning the Accord can clearly see are incorrect, about a group you are not a part of, I will continue to correct your attempts to do so.
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...we'll acknowledge the labors you've already put forth...It sounds as if you're close to a "some are more equal than others" situation. Does your effort make your vote weigh more than any other?
Absolutely yes. From the beginning I made it very clear that membership in TEO does not earn you a vote in strategic decisions. TEO was never promoted as a democracy. Ever.
Democracies cannot work in a PvP game, especially when it takes 2 minutes to become (or register a fake alt as) a member of your group.
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...never promoted as a democracy.
I've no knowledge, so this is an honest question: what was it, then? We know it wasn't a dictatorship, or you'd've been the sole person in charge.
If it was an oligarchy, you somehow lost a vote there, too, as oligarchies, not unlike democracies, effectively have votes as well...the voices of the oligarchs. If you were only one of several, I'm still un-clear about how your voice was expected to win out over others; only in a dictatorship does one voice carry the only weight, and that only until the over-throw.
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Absolutely yes. From the beginning I made it very clear that membership in TEO does not earn you a vote in strategic decisions. TEO was never promoted as a democracy. Ever....we'll acknowledge the labors you've already put forth...It sounds as if you're close to a "some are more equal than others" situation. Does your effort make your vote weigh more than any other?
That doesn't change the fact that you COULD have maintained a good standing and loyalty had you only played your cards better.
Why would you expect to be able to bully people, insult people, and control people and then expect those people to still respect you and your opinions?
You could still be sitting on the TEO council, may have even convinced everyone that your settlement location WAS the best, had you only not freaked out and called people 'idiots' for not listening to you.
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TEO was an Oligarchy or Republic (it's debateable) of Lifedragn, myself, Valinar, and Jak Blitz.
The way it was supposed to run we never should have let the members sit there and vote on letters. We should have decided if they wanted a safe location or an ambitious location, set our best strategic minds to finding one that fit the bill, and then voted on it as a council.
I'm guessing in that scenario we would have ended up in the FCEG region. Not my first pick but an acceptable choice.
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The question is entirely what should Pax do, and the only people who have any real chance of making Pax do what should be done are the Members of Pax.
For the purposes of this Land Rush, Pax is one guild. Pax Golgotha should withdraw from the Land Rush and apply all of their votes to Pax Aeternum.
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Thats fine and all... But you are the spokes mouth for T7V and the RoseBlood Accord.
Perception and all here.
You speak for the two groups. So your opinions are the words of both groups. You should have thought of that before posting. Both groups should think about it a bit.
Xeen, that is quite enough.
What you appear to be doing here is fabricating such a perception.
I am not fabricating anything. Nihimon posted the roseblood accord thread, chose who would not be welcome in it, and accepted those that were.
The roseblood accord something like NATO.
I see you as one group, and so do plenty of others.
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Relevant quote from Ryan (admittedly on a different topic):
Are you half-dozen people done having the exact same discussion with the same complete inability to cover new ground yet?
It would please me greatly if you would all just stop talking about this topic. A ridiculous amount of messages on this forum are the same people saying the same things to each other over and over and over, usually at the very edge of civility.
Just let it go.
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I am not fabricating anything. Nihimon posted the roseblood accord thread, chose who would not be welcome in it, and accepted those that were.The roseblood accord something like NATO.
I see you as one group, and so do plenty of others.
NATO is at least a half decent comparison. Don't think that's much of compliment or that it helps your case in any way.
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This post is not in character and does not represent the views of Golgotha or Pax.
You have personally attacked a community project that is 2 years in the making. What began as the Order of the Crimson Guard is now Golgotha. It is very clear this is a separate entity, but for your own reasons you want to see Golgotha removed from the landrush and do what you say. Your rights as a player end where mine begin. You are just as entitled to your opinions and play style as I am. But right now, you, as a community leader are directly trying to infringe on our gaming experience. You are trying to control us and trying to manipulate the community into supporting you. Even if Golgotha is removed, and I will fight it to the end, they will vote for whoever they want. You have no more control over them than I do.
Back in character but still not as a representative of Golgotha.
Bring it. There are consequences to earning my Ire.
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Okay, guys. Before you, you find a very large post where my views kinda evolve as I go. To clarify, I still believe the two Paxes I'm bad at spelling are separate, but I'm asking for some...clarifying.
But first, I found the thread's theme song!
The truth is that this issue is also right there in the OP, and it's clear as day to any objective third party.
Pax is one Guild. Golgotha should withdraw from the Land Rush.
I see myself as pretty objective. At least, I was at the start. I do not see this this way. Multiple people from your own organization, as you stated, do not see this this way.
Feel free to make your case, divisive as it is. Don't question the objectivity of everyone who disagrees with you.
... Golgotha has every right to be in the landrush. They were a separate entity before ever joining Pax, and never would have joined in the way they had they known how LR2 was to be run...I thought this, too. But this is another issue that's right there in the OP. Golgotha joined Pax when they could have formed another Settlement in the first Land Rush, and chose not to.
While Goblinworks is at fault for not organizing or explaining the first Land Rush well, Golgotha joined Pax and gave them their votes. They decided to join Pax instead of going for their own settlement, I do not see them as being entitled to go for a settlement now. The Second Land Rush should not be treated as a second chance. They made their decision, they should stick with it.
Except this is blatantly untrue, isn't it? People who voted for Aeturnum are not voting for Golgoltha.
Please clarify this point. If it is true, it makes a big difference.
Not being a member of one of the three guilds that won a Settlement in the First Land Rush, you have been encouraged to do exactly that by Ryan and Lee. Your situation is very specifically different than Pax's.
Dude, I guess I was unclear. My point was that those votes are not evidence that the Paxes are unified.
Honestly, if you guys keep pushing this... They will dissolve Golgotha and join the UNC. How does that sound? That will put us in a position to pick any settlement in the game, and I bet you would not like that. (no, no Golgothan has said this, but I bet they would consider if if they have to close their settlement slot)
Then you finally admit that this discussion is not a strategic action by Nihimon? Awesome. That's that dead horse out of the way.
I thought you guys had some lawyers in there, jeezus lawd you all SUCK as lawyers, just a bunch of rabid dogs go back to your cages!
This discussion would go about 20% cooler if these sorts of posts were not in it to rile people up further.
No. Other large guilds will proxy vote smaller ones that agree to their "accord." Nihimon already admitted it prior and has since edited that post. But Cyclops Face saw, as well as plenty of others. That point is still unclear. Can Nihimon come in an unequivocally say that Veil has not given any votes to any other settlement in the Accord? Because before it seemed like he admitted it and then edited it denying everything, then he edited it again for a further explanation. That would be great to get some clarity on that. It's funny because I'm a free agent and don't have a horse in this game, but I've been watching this for awhile. Cyclops Face frowns.
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He Who Must Not Be Named has a mutated brother!
Roesblood members are not obligated to support each other, they are obligated to promote positive gameplay. And to clarify, "Positive Gameplay" does not equate to "Meaningful Gameplay."
Are Pax members obligated to support each other? I asked members of Pax, and they denied this—even indicating they had plans to engage in small skirmishes against each other once the game started.
This is what swayed me to Pax's side. If it is not true, that's a whole other story.
You know as well as I do that the community is much larger than the people who post on the forums. Are you sure there aren't guilds on the Land Rush looking at two Pax entries with the same website and thinking that means it's perfectly acceptable for a "large" guild to have as many entries as they can support with votes?
I will point out, as they have, that Pax had the option of making (Filibus? I forget the spelling) its own settlement, too. That they didn't take that chance should mean something, Nihimon.
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Jesus, this is a lot of posts...I got class in, like, four hours, guys.
It takes a special kind of insanity to expose yourself to the kind of hatred and derision I've endured here and elsewhere for standing up for an unpopular position.
Let's be fair here and admit that neither side has been saintly in this discussion.
However, reading your posts, I'm going to ease up on my complaints about your behavior. Barring some claims about scrubbed vitriol, you've stayed civil—if aggressive in your belief.
But I think you should stop putting "Pax is one Guild. Pax Golgotha should withdraw from the Land Rush and apply all of their votes to Pax Aeternum." It emphasizes that your position hasn't changed, yes, but it also gives the impression you are no longer open to debate on the matter.
This is childish, all of it.
No, YOU'RE childish.
I don't care about seeing us all hold each others hands and start some kind of musical
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Nihimon?
*knock-knock-knockKNOCK-knock*
Do you wanna kill some UnNaaaaamed
C'mon let's go and gank!
I never see you anywhere
Come out of there
Your room is getting raaaank
You've been tormenting yourself
On this one thread
For close to a hundred houuuuurs
Do you wanna kill some UnNaaaamed?
They could even just be some Naaaaamed...
...or just glower. :(
Just as Nihimon does not speak for the Accord,
That's right.
He sings for it!
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I see you as one group, and so do plenty of others.
This is like when an evangelical says "There's a raging debate within the scientific community regarding evolution". Just say it over and over and over again, hoping there are enough ignorant people to create that false perception. I'd like to think that most people here are informed enough to see through it no matter how any times you repeat it. Because the facts sure as hell don't back you up, as I highlighted in my last post.
On the line of:
Being Friendly --> Being Allies --> Forming a Nation --> Being the same Guild
The Roseblood Accord is somewhere between "Being Friendly" and "Being Allies", and it's far closer to the "Being Friendly" side of things. Because that's basically all the agreement is.
Pax is probably somewhere between "Forming a Nation" and "Being the Same Guild" and differing opinions will put them more toward one side or the other of that.
If you can't see the difference there, it's hard to know what else to say.
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I would have gone with this.
But first, I found the thread's theme song!
How about this?
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I think it may result that everyone except Pax will benefit if Golgotha forms their own settlement.
The resource requirements of building a settlement will be great. If with focus Pax could achieve a level of development twice as fast as any other settlement, then the advantages are obvious. If they then concentrate on building up their second settlement they will enjoy the benefits of that superb developmental basis.
By diluting their potential industry the way they are describing they are squandering the very advantages their superior numbers afford.
Therefore I recommend we just simmer down, whistle to ourselves quietly while looking at the passing clouds and allow them to dilute their own advantage into no advantage at all.
With that being said, Being, doesn't it seem likely that the clever folks at Pax would favor Golgotha staying within Aeternum if they really were just motivated by their own self-interest?
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How about this?I would have gone with this.
But first, I found the thread's theme song!
I'll take it. Every thread on these forums should have a theme song.
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In this case, the overwhelming opinion is that YES, Pax Golgotha is part of Pax and that YES Golgotha should have a settlement anyways because they are a special case.The overwhelming opinion of those who are posting in this conflict-laden thread. Not by any means the overwhelming opinion of those who will participate in the Land Rush, most of whom will never see anything written in this thread. All they'll see is Pax with two entries, and they'll draw their own obvious conclusions.
It takes a special kind of insanity to expose yourself to the kind of hatred and derision I've endured here and elsewhere for standing up for an unpopular position. I'll note that the vast majority of that hatred and derision has come from a fairly small number of posters. I wouldn't ask anyone to expose themselves to that same hatred and derision just to register their "vote" on this matter - which they cannot do anonymously without giving everyone reason to believe they're just sock puppet accounts.
Pax is one Guild. Pax Golgotha should withdraw from the Land Rush and apply all of their votes to Pax Aeternum.
1. The "Special Case" is a nice touch. Of course, no one has said that it was a special case, you just want to cast it as such. It helps to create the illusion of impropriety where there isn't. Did by chance Ryan call it a special case? I don't think so.
2. "Standing up for unpopular positions", yeah... Welcome to our world. The UNC has been fighting for banditry for over 18 months. You have been fighting to have Golgotha stripped of its land rush bid for what, three days?
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... Golgotha has every right to be in the landrush. They were a separate entity before ever joining Pax, and never would have joined in the way they had they known how LR2 was to be run...I thought this, too. But this is another issue that's right there in the OP. Golgotha joined Pax when they could have formed another Settlement in the first Land Rush, and chose not to.
While Goblinworks is at fault for not organizing or explaining the first Land Rush well, Golgotha joined Pax and gave them their votes. They decided to join Pax instead of going for their own settlement, I do not see them as being entitled to go for a settlement now. The Second Land Rush should not be treated as a second chance. They made their decision, they should stick with it.Except this is blatantly untrue, isn't it? People who voted for Aeturnum are not voting for Golgoltha.
Please clarify this point. If it is true, it makes a big difference.
Golgotha was formed August 31, 2013.
Golgotha joined Pax November 10, 2013.
Pax Deacon's first post was December 4, 2013.
At some point during this, Golgotha members began voting for Pax Aeternum in the first Land Rush instead of following the instructions there to start their own entry.
First Land Rush Winners were announced May 2, 2014. I am not aware of the First Land Rush being "closed" any time prior to this.
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With that being said, Being, doesn't it seem likely that the clever folks at Pax would favor Golgotha staying within Aeternum if they really were just motivated by their own self-interest?
Well since we are familiar with them as people we can be fairly sure they weren't doing it out of self-interest. More likely it was a concern about affiliated alignments. The community's more notable reactions were more likely to have been motivated by numerical inferiority but the resulting reaction also does not appear to be really directed by self-interest either.
I mean, if Pax has any single extant settlement outnumbered two to one, self-interest would motivate everyone else to split their advantage into two, right? Yet what are we all trying to encourage?
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Nihimon, I thought people who voted for Aeternum in the first landrush were not allowed to vote in the second landrush?
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You know as well as I do that the community is much larger than the people who post on the forums. Are you sure there aren't guilds on the Land Rush looking at two Pax entries with the same website and thinking that means it's perfectly acceptable for a "large" guild to have as many entries as they can support with votes?I will point out, as they have, that Pax had the option of making (Filibus? I forget the spelling) its own settlement, too. That they didn't take that chance should mean something, Nihimon.
Is the fact that they didn't 100% thumb their noses at the Restrictions for Winners of Phase 1 of the Guild Land Rush really meant to justify the degree to which they did?
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Nihimon?
*knock-knock-knockKNOCK-knock*
Do you wanna kill some UnNaaaaamed
C'mon let's go and gank!
I never see you anywhere
Come out of there
Your room is getting raaaank
You've been tormenting yourself
On this one thread
For close to a hundred houuuuurs
Do you wanna kill some UnNaaaamed?
They could even just be some Naaaaamed...
...or just glower. :(
You're kind of awesome :)
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Nihimon, I thought people who voted for Aeternum in the first landrush were not allowed to vote in the second landrush?
And yet they did, until I spoke out in this thread against that after everything had supposedly already been "resolved". They've since removed those votes, but as Ryan made clear, it's not about a couple of votes moving around.
The question is whether an objective third party - not aware of or interested in the particular history of the organizations - assume that Pax Gaming is one Guild with two entries in this Land Rush.
I would add a significant question is also, what will it do to the game to have a clear example of a Guild blatantly violating the clearly expressed restrictions placed on them, being incredibly combative with anyone who tries to hold them accountable for that, and only changing course when an official statement is made that the particular thing they're doing is wrong. "Following the rules" doesn't mean "doing everything you can to twist the rules to your own advantage until you're called out on it by Goblinworks".
If Pax is a Guild that promotes "following the rules", I would ask them to live up to that.
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I am not aware of the First Land Rush being "closed" any time prior to this.Then you need to look at the first land rush thread.
Final votes applied 1/23/13
With all respect, I believe you have misread that. That is when Chris added the last batch of guild names, it appears.
Is the fact that they didn't 100% thumb their noses at the Restrictions for Winners of Phase 1 of the Guild Land Rush really meant to justify the degree to which they did?You know as well as I do that the community is much larger than the people who post on the forums. Are you sure there aren't guilds on the Land Rush looking at two Pax entries with the same website and thinking that means it's perfectly acceptable for a "large" guild to have as many entries as they can support with votes?I will point out, as they have, that Pax had the option of making (Filibus? I forget the spelling) its own settlement, too. That they didn't take that chance should mean something, Nihimon.
Maybe it's meant to show that they have never intended to "thumb their nose" at anyone, and they do feel that Golthotha is not truly part of Aeternum?
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This is not a post from Golgotha, Just me.
My first post as Pax deacon has no bearing. I have posted as Lord Regent: Deacon Wulf for a long time.
My group was not added to the landrush. I did indeed email them. It would have been Order of the Crimson Guard. It must have been closed because the group was not added.
Golgotha is not Aeternum. We have never been a part of Aeternum. We will never be a part of Aeternum. It is a very simple concept.
It seems to me you are attempting to do one of the following:
discredit what you consider a threat.
Force a wedge between Golgotha and Aeternum.
The community asked us to change from LN to LE. Golgotha created herself through the hard work of Golgothans not through whatever you are trying to imply.
Very few Golgothans voted for Aeternum. And it was individuals from our merged companies.
Order of the Crimson Guard became House Karnath. New Liberthane became Golgotha. Maelstrom, The Bloody Hand, and House Karnath merged into The Golgothan Empire. The Golgothan Empire joined the Pax Gaming Community. Aeternum and Golgotha signed a treaty to become a nationstate. End of story. Golgotha will be in the landrush.
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Goblin Squad Member
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No one who voted for Aeternum voted for Golgotha in the second land rush. That is a blatant lie.
The votes removed were individuals who did not participate in the first land rush. There are no votes for Golgotha from members that had previously voted for Aeternum in the first land rush. Nor has there ever been.
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Goblin Squad Member
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I am not aware of the First Land Rush being "closed" any time prior to this.Then you need to look at the first land rush thread.
Final votes applied 1/23/13
It's not "Final votes", it's Final batch of guild names has been added., and that was January 15, 2013.
So, last batch was the not-so-final one. A slew of stragglers have been added to the poll. was posted on January 23, 2013.
Obviously, the "final batch of guild names" did not disqualify names received after that from being processed.
I sincerely believe "Final batch of guild names has been added" was meant to convey that they had finally processed all the submitted guild names and included them in the poll. I am not aware of any post indicating they were no longer accepting guild name submissions.