The Arcane Bloodline Sorcerer gets an arcane bonded item (or familiar, but we'll leave that aside for now). So by levels in sorcerer, or by eldritch heritage feats, you get a normal arcane bonded item. It specifically stacks with levels of wizard to determine the effectiveness of the item.
The spellslinger wizard trades his arcane bond for an arcane gun. It has several neat benefits, but is missing most all of the typical arcane bonded item benefits.
If you have both, and you select your arcane gun as the arcane bonded item (whichever way it happens, sorcerer first or wizard first), do you get the full benefits of the arcane bond, based on combined Sor+Wiz levels; as well as all of the benefits of the arcane gun, based solely on Wiz levels?
And, does it matter which you gain first?
If I was your gm, I would rule that if you want to do this, you would need to go spellslinger first, then take the eldritch heritage or the sorcerer dip. You need to take the spellslinger to "lose" the arcane bond.
karossii wrote: The Arcane Bloodline Sorcerer gets an arcane bonded item (or familiar, but we'll leave that aside for now). So by levels in sorcerer, or by eldritch heritage feats, you get a normal arcane bonded item. It specifically stacks with levels of wizard to determine the effectiveness of the item.
The spellslinger wizard trades his arcane bond for an arcane gun. It has several neat benefits, but is missing most all of the typical arcane bonded item benefits.
If you have both, and you select your arcane gun as the arcane bonded item (whichever way it happens, sorcerer first or wizard first), do you get the full benefits of the arcane bond, based on combined Sor+Wiz levels; as well as all of the benefits of the arcane gun, based solely on Wiz levels?
And, does it matter which you gain first?
I agree with Ruske Bell, take spellslinger first to avoid any dispute; however, since spellslinger trades out its arcane bond, there is no way I'd allow that level to add to the sorceror levels to determine the bond's effectiveness.
Gilarius wrote: karossii wrote: The Arcane Bloodline Sorcerer gets an arcane bonded item (or familiar, but we'll leave that aside for now). So by levels in sorcerer, or by eldritch heritage feats, you get a normal arcane bonded item. It specifically stacks with levels of wizard to determine the effectiveness of the item.
The spellslinger wizard trades his arcane bond for an arcane gun. It has several neat benefits, but is missing most all of the typical arcane bonded item benefits.
If you have both, and you select your arcane gun as the arcane bonded item (whichever way it happens, sorcerer first or wizard first), do you get the full benefits of the arcane bond, based on combined Sor+Wiz levels; as well as all of the benefits of the arcane gun, based solely on Wiz levels?
And, does it matter which you gain first?
I agree with Ruske Bell, take spellslinger first to avoid any dispute; however, since spellslinger trades out its arcane bond, there is no way I'd allow that level to add to the sorceror levels to determine the bond's effectiveness. Yup. I would absolutely allow a spellslinger to gain an arcane bond by going arcane blooded sorcerer or eldritch heritage feats, but I would, just as Gilarius said, never allow the spellslinger levels to stack.
Do remember though, that the Eldritch Heritage Feat sets your sorcerer level to be your character level -2. That those levels are a class that traded away an arcane bond shouldnt factor into it.
Deliverance wrote:
Do remember though, that the Eldritch Heritage Feat sets your sorcerer level to be your character level -2. That those levels are a class that traded away an arcane bond shouldnt factor into it.
You are absolutely right. Don't detract from the power of the eldritch heritage feat... Just don't add to it either.
Basically, if you took it through Eldritch Heritage, it's just Character Lvl -2. So if you're a Spellslinger 10, you'd have the effective bond of a Sorc 8. If you were a Sorc 8/Spellslinger 8 with Arcane bloodline, your bond level would still be 8 since you have no levels of bond-granting Wizard to contribute. The only question that remains would be if you can "double-dip" with a Wizard that still has arcane bond taking Eldritch Heritage. Would a Wizard 10 that takes heritage count as a lvl 8 Sorc + 10 stacking levels of Wizard for a net effective bond of lvl 18? Or would you say that, since all your Character levels are "counted as" Sorc levels, there's an implied, "Wizard levels [other than those used as Sorc levels] stack to determine Bond level"?
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