Lowest level an Aasimar can qualify for mystic theurge?


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Okay, I've seen people say that spell-like abilities can be used to qualify for the spellcasting component of a prestige class.

Now I'm theory-crafting an Aasimar cleric/Empyreal sorcerer/mystic theurge character and I'm trying to see how low I can get the level in order to qualify, using one of the Aasimar SLAs to qualify for one half or the other.

Now Daylight is a 3rd level sorcerer/wizard spell, which I'm fairly sure won't count as the 2nd level arcane spellcasting requirement. However, one variant feature nets Corruption Resistance, a 2nd level divine spell. That means that the current lowest level I can see qualifying is 5, 4 sorcerer and 1 cleric.

I'm not seeing any other option to pull this off skipping the hard slog with the sorcerer levels, can anyone help me out here?

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If you choose an aasimar variant that gives you an arcane SLA, then for your cleric level, you can pick up the Fate inquisition for the augury SLA. Then you just have to wait for the 3 skill ranks to qualify.


RainyDayNinja wrote:
If you choose an aasimar variant that gives you an arcane SLA, then for your cleric level, you can pick up the Fate inquisition for the augury SLA. Then you just have to wait for the 3 skill ranks to qualify.

The problem is that the Aasimar arcane spell-like abilities aren't 2nd level. Would the third level one qualify?


FuelDrop wrote:
Okay, I've seen people say that spell-like abilities can be used to qualify for the spellcasting component of a prestige class.

I really hate this ruling and others like it (races being used to circumvent PrC requirements), but I'm fairly certain that the ability to cast a 3rd level spell counts for 2nd as well - perhaps its better read as being able to cast 'spells of at least 2nd level'.


Well, with that wording an Aasimar can qualify at level 3 easy, with the only real limitation being skills.

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FuelDrop wrote:
RainyDayNinja wrote:
If you choose an aasimar variant that gives you an arcane SLA, then for your cleric level, you can pick up the Fate inquisition for the augury SLA. Then you just have to wait for the 3 skill ranks to qualify.
The problem is that the Aasimar arcane spell-like abilities aren't 2nd level. Would the third level one qualify?

Huh? 5 of the 6 variant heritages give 2nd-level arcane SLAs, including some with racial bonuses to Int or Wis.

But no, the 3rd-level daylight SLA doesn't count, according to this FAQ.


RainyDayNinja wrote:
FuelDrop wrote:
RainyDayNinja wrote:
If you choose an aasimar variant that gives you an arcane SLA, then for your cleric level, you can pick up the Fate inquisition for the augury SLA. Then you just have to wait for the 3 skill ranks to qualify.
The problem is that the Aasimar arcane spell-like abilities aren't 2nd level. Would the third level one qualify?

Huh? 5 of the 6 variant heritages give 2nd-level arcane SLAs, including some with racial bonuses to Int or Wis.

But no, the 3rd-level daylight SLA doesn't count, according to this FAQ.

Are we reading the same book? Going off the ARG:

Aasimar can get daylight (3rd, Arcane), Corruption Resistance (2nd, Divine), and Age Resistance (4th, Arcane). Oh, and Light (0, Arcane).

Even the Heavenly Radiance feat is no help as it manages to miss 2nd level arcane even with its selection. :(


You are not, in fact, reading the same book. RDN is using Assimar Heritages from Blood of Angels.

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Drogos wrote:
You are not, in fact, reading the same book. RDN is using Assimar Heritages from Blood of Angels.

Yeah, apparently. If you want to play an Aasimar, I'd highly recommend picking up Blood of Angels. There's a lot of good stuff in there.


thanks for the tip, will look into it.


If you are only going by the ARG and not Blood of Angels then Half-Elf is the race you want. The Half-Drow variant gets a 2nd level arcane SLA (Darkness) and if you grab a level of cleric with the Trickery domain or a level of Oracle with the wood mystery you can still hit Mystic Theurge from Wildblooded(Empyreal) Sorcerer 2/ Cleric(Trickery) 1 or Sorcerer(Any Charisma) 2/ Oracle(Wood) 1.


For example:
Archon Blooded Aasimar give you continual flame, 2nd level SLA, if you go clr2/sor1 and take Heavenly Radiance at 3rd level, to get Wake of light (2nd level divine SLA), you qualify for MT at 3rd and can start it at 4th. You cannot go below, anyway, because you need 3 ranks in 2 skills.


Just got blood of angels. will look at it now. I think this shows we can qualify at level 3 lowest, thanks to the skill limit.


So, yes you can do it, but you need to pay a race tax and either a domain tax or a feat tax to get it at 4th.


Gregory Connolly wrote:
So, yes you can do it, but you need to pay a race tax and either a domain tax or a feat tax to get it at 4th.

Because playing an aasimar and getting the Trickery domain are such onerous taxes. Worse than Combat Expertise or Endurance.


Gregory Connolly wrote:
So, yes you can do it, but you need to pay a race tax and either a domain tax or a feat tax to get it at 4th.

I can't see aasimars as a "tax", for a spellcaster, and the "feat tax" is not so heavy, given that if you gosomething like clr2/wiz1 you'll hi 13nth level with 6th lev arcane and divine, just 1 level below the max. It's not so bad. obviously, you then need to fill 7 levels and you need to leave behind one of the two classes, but still seems pretty impressive.

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