What higher-level characters?
Not only do there seem to be fewer high-level good characters compared with evil ones in Golarion
I don't see why they have to be good aligned characters? or even humanoid?
I Think pretty much most of Golarion has a pretty strong interest in seeing Tar-Baphon going down for good.
That includes dragons and other evil characters that simply doesn't want another big player in their turf and even gods (who may not intervene directly maybe, but nothing stop them to support the challengers and send powerful planar creatures to help)
You should not assume that evil characters will cooperate or even tolerate an undead menace just because they are both evil. if anything that's an ulterior reason to them.
Nobody outside the whispering way likes Tar-Baphon.
Even he cannot blast his way against the world.
No, but there's plenty of powers in the world who might be content to allow their more good aligned rivals to bleed themselves dry against him first.
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No, but there's plenty of powers in the world who might be content to allow their more good aligned rivals to bleed themselves dry against him first.What higher-level characters?
Not only do there seem to be fewer high-level good characters compared with evil ones in Golarion
I don't see why they have to be good aligned characters? or even humanoid?
I Think pretty much most of Golarion has a pretty strong interest in seeing Tar-Baphon going down for good.
That includes dragons and other evil characters that simply doesn't want another big player in their turf and even gods (who may not intervene directly maybe, but nothing stop them to support the challengers and send powerful planar creatures to help)
You should not assume that evil characters will cooperate or even tolerate an undead menace just because they are both evil. if anything that's an ulterior reason to them.
Nobody outside the whispering way likes Tar-Baphon.
Even he cannot blast his way against the world.
I don't know. Quite frankly If i was a evil overlord I would be more preoccupied about having my domain turned into a rotting land of the dead than any other enemy.
I would try to make my rivals pay handsomely to assure my cooperation and get all the unfair edge I could, but in the end, I would not gamble on the survival of life on the planet.
No, but there's plenty of powers in the world who might be content to allow their more good aligned rivals to bleed themselves dry against him first.What higher-level characters?
Not only do there seem to be fewer high-level good characters compared with evil ones in Golarion
I don't see why they have to be good aligned characters? or even humanoid?
I Think pretty much most of Golarion has a pretty strong interest in seeing Tar-Baphon going down for good.
That includes dragons and other evil characters that simply doesn't want another big player in their turf and even gods (who may not intervene directly maybe, but nothing stop them to support the challengers and send powerful planar creatures to help)
You should not assume that evil characters will cooperate or even tolerate an undead menace just because they are both evil. if anything that's an ulterior reason to them.
Nobody outside the whispering way likes Tar-Baphon.
Even he cannot blast his way against the world.
Then why hasn't Cheliax thrown everything it has in recent years at The Worldwound?
I don't know. Quite frankly If i was a evil overlord I would be more preoccupied about having my domain turned into a rotting land of the dead than any other enemy.
I would try to make my rivals pay handsomely to assure my cooperation and get all the unfair edge I could, but in the end, I would not gamble on the survival of life on the planet.
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Then why hasn't Cheliax thrown everything it has in recent years at The Worldwound?
As crazy as it sounds the Worldwound poses a lesser threat, both in scale and grievousness.
That being said I'm pretty sure that Mendev hosts his fair share of Cheliax crusaders, possibly sponsored by Cheliax itself.Even if the abyss is an infinite plane populated by infinite boundless hordes of demons, the ones who show actual interest in the Worldwound are relatively few.
The crusade with high and lows is successfully containing the problem.
I think Cheliax is content with that.
A Lich archmage that wants to eradicate life from the world is way more menacing, has also way more potential to snowball out of control quickly.
Oh ... another thing I would do if I were Tar-Baphon.... Bodaks.
You place a few bodaks in a high density place... you instantly have thousands of undeads. I think there is no undead that would be equally virulent.
I think one of the first things would be stealth and secrecy. To get out, he could switch places in spirit with a devoted, but powerful follower. So, the body is still there for scrying, but his mind and power is elsewhere.
He then works to build up a powerbase and armies...and then instead of simply hitting Lastwall...he actually conquers it from the inside. In otherwords, it is far more insidious to turn your enemies into your army. He infiltrates it, subverts it, and finally becomes it's leader and then Lastwall serves him in all his glory. After that, then he reveals himself partially to all in the local area, but keeps it mostly under wraps (this is the best portion for the PC's to actually come in to try to confront him) and retrieves his body...
At that point I'd say he goes all out...after combining not only his own powers, but that of a those who were also once his enemies as well.
Plus, subversion and then control, destruction, and conquest seem more his style.
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Uh...Tar-Baphon has no way of knowing where Nex is. None. He has no resources in this area that Arazni lacks...nor, I suspect, any that Geb doesn't possess.
And even if he did, Geb would likely demand he simply give it to him...and given that Geb made Arazni, and is thus likely more powerful than her, he's one of the few people who can force Tar Baphon to do what he wants. Especially with Arazni's help. Demanding things from a guy like Geb in exchange for his help is a Darth Vader/Lando Calrissian situation...and for once, Tar-Baphon isn't Vader.
That's an interesting point, Deadmanwalking. Encouraging a bit of speculation here, but let's ask ourselves who is currently extant in the Inner Sea that is not only a potential threat to Tar-Baphon, but potentially more powerful than he is? These guys and their reaction to his escape would likely have a lot to do with how he reacts.
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That's an interesting point, Deadmanwalking. Encouraging a bit of speculation here, but let's ask ourselves who is currently extant in the Inner Sea that is not only a potential threat to Tar-Baphon, but potentially more powerful than he is? These guys and their reaction to his escape would likely have a lot to do with how he reacts.
Geb and Deskari are the only ones that we know of that leap to mind...and Geb won't care (since he cares about very little) barring Tar-Baphon being stupid enough to provoke him, and Deskari is a bit bottled up at the moment.
Though if someone get could Agmazzar the Star Titan over to Gallowspire, every diviner on Golarion would probably try to get some popcorn for that show...
-TimD
Though if someone get could Agmazzar the Star Titan over to Gallowspire, every diviner on Golarion would probably try to get some popcorn for that show...
-TimD
Pretty much what my gamers suggested for this scenario...almost word for word.
The Hellkinght Order of the Godclaw is VERY active in the current crusade.Then why hasn't Cheliax thrown everything it has in recent years at The Worldwound?As crazy as it sounds the Worldwound poses a lesser threat, both in scale and grievousness.
That being said I'm pretty sure that Mendev hosts his fair share of Cheliax crusaders, possibly sponsored by Cheliax itself.
Even if the abyss is an infinite plane populated by infinite boundless hordes of demons, the ones who show actual interest in the Worldwound are relatively few.
The crusade with high and lows is successfully containing the problem.
I think Cheliax is content with that.
A Lich archmage that wants to eradicate life from the world is way more menacing, has also way more potential to snowball out of control quickly.Oh ... another thing I would do if I were Tar-Baphon.... Bodaks.
You place a few bodaks in a high density place... you instantly have thousands of undeads. I think there is no undead that would be equally virulent.
I'm assumin that's a Wrath of the Righteous thing?
if I were Tar-Baphon.... Bodaks.
You place a few bodaks in a high density place... you instantly have thousands of undeads. I think there is no undead that would be equally virulent.
Naw, a Bodak's kills don't rise for a whole day after they're killed. That's a pretty slow cycle.
A spectre's kills become spectres in 1d4 rounds. The spawn are slightly weaker than the original, but their kills also rise. Being incorporeal, they can fly through a city's slums and turn it into spectreopolis in a matter of hours.
Though if someone get could Agmazzar the Star Titan over to Gallowspire, every diviner on Golarion would probably try to get some popcorn for that show...
I would expect Tar-Baphon to weaponize Agmazzar, teleporting such that the kaiju's shortest path to the lich passes right through the Whispering Tyrant's enemy targets.
That's actually my end-game plan for my very modified Carrion Crown game ;)
After that,
:DD
If I was Tar Baphon then the first thing I would do upon escaping Gallowspire: Leave Golarion.
Tar Baphon is smart enough to know that if/when he awakes every major power on Golarion will react, probably to stop him from interfering in their plans, good or bad. Holy bombs and unholy backstabs alike will be mobilizing, and even his massive power cannot be enough to keep him safe, so what he'll need is distance. Fading away for a few more centuries can help. He's ambitious but he is also immortal so waiting until Golarion is unprepared or has forgotten him can help. Then return to Gallowspire and the demiplanes he created below and spring every horrible invention and minion he has on a fresh and unprepared world.
Doesn't he still have vast armies in the Cenotaph? If so one of his first moves could be to open the doors to it and let his old friends out to play.
Not just armies, but according to Mythic Realms, armies now touched with a bit of Mythic power themselves.
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I Love how the first part of this post is basically tyrant grasps ... but a bit better!
I rise!
Welp, I just read Tyrant's Grasp from start to finish.
Hah.