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Just a simple question about multiclassing. If you've already got Improved Unarmed Strike from either class, do you get a separate bonus feat in place of it when you take the other class? I mean, you shouldn't get the feat twice. Unless that's the penalty for multiclassing two similar classes.
I ask for a friend who is now an ex-monk because it was too hard to be lawful in a rather chaotic group.
By RAW, you don't get any compensation for the redundant feats. That said, talk to your GM.
That is just the price for multiclassing it seems (unless your GM decides otherwise).
He might want to consider another archetype. From the looks of it, unarmed fighter does not have many benefits if you are not really into grappling or a variety of other maneuvers (trip, drag, and dirty trick).
If your friend is not into any of these, he might want to consider archetypes like braweler (large and quick bonuses to close weapons such as unarmed strikes, as well as several other monk weapons; can trap opponents with a unique set of maneuvers after level 9), or if it is early enough in his career (and he thinks the campaign will go on long enough) he could go for something such as mobile fighter or dawnflower dervish (both have a method of getting a pseudo pounce at level 11).
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That is just the price for multiclassing it seems (unless your GM decides otherwise).
He might want to consider another archetype. From the looks of it, unarmed fighter does not have many benefits if you are not really into grappling or a variety of other maneuvers (trip, drag, and dirty trick).
If your friend is not into any of these, he might want to consider archetypes like braweler (large and quick bonuses to close weapons such as unarmed strikes, as well as several other monk weapons; can trap opponents with a unique set of maneuvers after level 9), or if it is early enough in his career (and he thinks the campaign will go on long enough) he could go for something such as mobile fighter or dawnflower dervish (both have a method of getting a pseudo pounce at level 11).
Thanks. I'll refer him to the brawler. He wasn't going for a grappler, but rather something that helped an ex-monk until he could get an atonement. This should work just fine.
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My other recommendation would be that the monk's alignment restriction is stupid and shouldn't be a thing. Talk to the GM about removing it, because 'suddenly I can't punch people harder because I've been lying' or such makes no sense.
My other recommendation would be that the monk's alignment restriction is stupid and shouldn't be a thing. Talk to the GM about removing it, because 'suddenly I can't punch people harder because I've been lying' or such makes no sense.
Lying leading to chaotic? You've obviously not hung out with enough devils. Although I'll admit, a slide into chaotic is a bit hard to definitively quantify, especially with examples of LE creatures going about. As such, it seems a bit hard to truly justify pushing someone one way or the other on that axis without seeming like a mean spirited "make him fall" type situation.
But the general justification for monks needing to be lawful is that most need to adhere to a strict regiment in order to attain further perfection of their physical and esoteric techniques. A bit hard to do when you are busy going off drinking and flirting with wenches with the barbarian.... Well, excluding drunken masters. For everyone else, hangovers and getting out of the inn room before their dates wake up probably interferes with meditation.
Does a monk need atonement? I didn't think the lost class abilities, but just couldn't advance as a monk without changing the alignment back to lawful
Yeah, isn't this true? The Monk keeps what he knows, just can't learn more?
But the general justification for monks needing to be lawful is that most need to adhere to a strict regiment in order to attain further perfection of their physical and esoteric techniques.
I call that 'flavor text'. It also bears noting that you can do your jumping jacks any time, while lying, cheating, and stealing the rest of the time.
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Does a monk need atonement? I didn't think the lost class abilities, but just couldn't advance as a monk without changing the alignment back to lawful
Yeah, he's still got his abilities. The atonement is so he can continue.
And it was ruled that he's been too "neutral" in the chaotic group. That he should set a standard for the rest. He laughs that his character's supposed to be able to influence anyone in his group.
He's looking at brawler, and considering staying that way. I can't even imagine how a LG paladin would fair in that group. Probably fall within the first two sessions.
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Just a simple question about multiclassing. If you've already got Improved Unarmed Strike from either class, do you get a separate bonus feat in place of it when you take the other class? I mean, you shouldn't get the feat twice. Unless that's the penalty for multiclassing two similar classes.
I ask for a friend who is now an ex-monk because it was too hard to be lawful in a rather chaotic group.
RAI and RAW-wise, you do not get any benefit for a second IUS class ability. I know some class combinations will specifically say(like rogue or barb) if you receive Evasion or Uncanny Dodge from a second class, you can upgrade it to it's higher version. Ask your GM though, he should be kind enough to let you trade it for something of desire(an extra feat slot would be sweet!). I am probably going to end up doing the same with my Qinggong-Flowing-Monk17/Unarmed Fighter1/Wizard1/Urban Druid1
I call that 'flavor text'. It also bears noting that you can do your jumping jacks any time, while lying, cheating, and stealing the rest of the time.
But the general justification for monks needing to be lawful is that most need to adhere to a strict regiment in order to attain further perfection of their physical and esoteric techniques.
Yes, but can you think about what those jumping jacks MEAN? Can you recite some esoteric mantra about how they represent the cyclical nature of the universe as well as the ups and down of life? Even when your hangover is telling you that the universe is only pain?....ok, now I'm being silly.
Still, I tend to be conservative about these things. I like to work under these kinds of restrictions to explore new kinds of character concepts. Can one be lawful by being a strict adherent of the River Freedoms? Can one be lawful while lying, cheating, and stealing if they accept the responsibility of his actions (even if he only accepts that he will have to live the life of an outlaw). This flavor text that seems like only a binding to you serves well as a starting point for me that I can follow, avert, or subvert. Not everyone chafes under these rules, Zhayne. But you are just as free to play your games your own way.
That is A way to play a monk, but I see no reason for it to be the only way. Monk is 'the guy who punches people'. That's it.
If he wants to be a zen-spouting navel-gazer, that should certainly be an option. I just don't think it should be a requirement.