Grab ability: Is there anyway for a PC to get it without being a Tetori Monk?


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Title says it all.... Is there?

Thanks for the attention.


Lockjaw spell + Natural Attack.


Thanks.

Any way that doesn't involve spells?

Scarab Sages

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You can get it by taking the Final Embrace feat. To qualify for that feat, you need to gain constrict. To get constrict you can take a two level dip into white hared witch, or use a belt of Anaconda's Coils

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Beast Shape III or Wild Shape both do it, too, though that doesn't seem to be what you're looking for.


Final Embrace would be nice if it wasn't race specific. So close, and yet so far.... :(

Beast Shape is actually a good idea, since the character I have in mind will have that ability sooner or later. But if there is some sort of class feature (even from an archetype) or feat-like ability (even Bestiary feats, though that would have to be limited to what a medium humanoid character can get) would be best.

Still, thanks for the advice.


Lemmy wrote:
Final Embrace would be nice if it wasn't race specific. So close, and yet so far.... :(

Actually it isn't race specific. The requirement is race OR constrict.


Feral Gnasher barbarian archetype for goblins gets it.


There's also the Tentacle alchemist discovery.


Hamatula Strike gives you pseudo-Grab. My favorite use of this involves a style feat that make your unarmed strikes into piercing...


aboniks wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Final Embrace would be nice if it wasn't race specific. So close, and yet so far.... :(
Actually it isn't race specific. The requirement is race OR constrict.

Ah, that's true... Is there any way to get Constrict? :P


White Haired Witch all the way. To bad combat manuvers are a waste of time at higher levels.

Scarab Sages

Lemmy wrote:
aboniks wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Final Embrace would be nice if it wasn't race specific. So close, and yet so far.... :(
Actually it isn't race specific. The requirement is race OR constrict.
Ah, that's true... Is there any way to get Constrict? :P

Ummm, I just posted how :P

Imbicatus wrote:
To get constrict you can take a two level dip into white hared witch, or use a belt of Anaconda's Coils


Ah, Hamatula Strike is a damn good idea indeed!


Imbicatus wrote:
To get constrict you can take a two level dip into white hared witch, or use a belt of Anaconda's Coils

Indeed. My bad. Although that item is a bit too expensive right now. :(

Scarab Sages

If you did go the White Haried Witch route, King Crab familiar gives you an extra +2 to grapple. Just sayin.

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You could be an Eidolon.


Petty Alchemy wrote:
You could be an Eidolon.

Eidolon with class levels.

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chaoseffect wrote:
Petty Alchemy wrote:
You could be an Eidolon.
Eidolon with class levels.

Of course those levels must be Synthesist.


Petty Alchemy wrote:
chaoseffect wrote:
Petty Alchemy wrote:
You could be an Eidolon.
Eidolon with class levels.
Of course those levels must be Synthesist.

Your Eidolon is a disgusting mutant freak to your eyes. It looks like a dwarf to everyone else.

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I think you're drifting off into another bit.


Hmmm... So far, Hamatula Strike seems to be the most effective option. Now I'm being greedy and want constrict too! lol.


Different but related question... How to full attack an enemy you're grappling?

Scarab Sages

You can't. But if you have constrict, greater grapple, and rapid grapple you can grapple three times per round as a standard, move, and swift action, and automatically apply your damage each time.


Imbicatus wrote:
You can't. But if you have constrict, greater grapple, and rapid grapple you can grapple three times per round as a standard, move, and swift action, and automatically apply your damage each time.

Tsc, that's too bad, I was hoping for some rules-legal way to do it, since the grappled enemy would still be able to full attack me (assuming he has a light weapon with him).


Since you're getting free grapples just by hitting with Hamatula Strike, I would free action end the grapple on your turn, full attack, and hopefully re-grapple just in time for the enemy to have the downsides of it on their turn. The real question is if getting the grapple mid full attack cancels the rest of your attacks.


Hmmm... That's true. I guess I could wait till the last one of my attacks, although that's kinda risky...

I'm starting to think grappling is a pretty bad idea even if I manage to keep the CMB high enough to affect high-level opponents...


Is there a way to at least prevent the grappled enemy from attacking you?


goblin feral gnasher get grab too.


Lemmy wrote:
Is there a way to at least prevent the grappled enemy from attacking you?

I haven't looked at the specifics of the grapple rules lately, but isn't that what a pin is for?

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Can a monster that attacks with a piercing attack use grab in combination with hamatula strike to pin on the round it initiates a grapple?


Getting the grapple condition doesn't stop a creature from full-attacking. Pin prevents it. Maintaining a grapple is a standard action. But most creatures that have grab don't bother maintaining, they just full-attack again on their turn and usually that 'maintains' the grapple.

Scarab Sages

René P wrote:
Getting the grapple condition doesn't stop a creature from full-attacking. Pin prevents it. Maintaining a grapple is a standard action. But most creatures that have grab don't bother maintaining, they just full-attack again on their turn and usually that 'maintains' the grapple.

it depends on feats and abilities. My tetori with constrict is not letting go no matter what. My grapple bonus is much higher than my attack bonus, and can make more grapple checks per round than iterative attacks.

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