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If a plantation rainforest were grown in Nevada occupying 'all of nevada' then it would rain into California regularly.
If you were offered a ten year contract working for food and shelter with a payment of a million dollars tax free on completion at the end of ten years and citizenship (for non citizens), would you be interested in doing so?
The prospect of living in a solar powered, airconditioned, shipping container working for food and shelter with a million dollar payout at the end of ten years might be of interest to some, but others might not. Think of it as a domestic deployment of the peace Corps.
So the solution to California having a drought is to destroy an entire ecosystem?
The majority of Nevada is covered by the Great Basin Desert, which houses such species as the desert woodrat and the bristlecone pines (the pines might be the oldest living organisms in the world). Plus, given that the reason the desert exists is because of a mountain range, we would have to blow up quite a few mountains, causing even more ecological damage... and potentially depriving California and Nevada both of one of their primary sources of fresh water. Not to mention the ecological impact it would have on the rest of the continent.
We could solve California's water issues a lot faster with a lot less ecological damage or cost by dropping nukes on every major city in the state.
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So the solution to California having a drought is to destroy an entire ecosystem?
The majority of Nevada is covered by the Great Basin Desert, which houses such species as the desert woodrat and the bristlecone pines (the pines might be the oldest living organisms in the world). Plus, given that the reason the desert exists is because of a mountain range, we would have to blow up quite a few mountains, causing even more ecological damage... and potentially depriving California and Nevada both of one of their primary sources of fresh water. Not to mention the ecological impact it would have on the rest of the continent.
We could solve California's water issues a lot faster with a lot less ecological damage or cost by dropping nukes on every major city in the state.
Thats great, now consider vast plantations of these endangered species tree covering Nevada.
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We could solve California's water issues a lot faster with a lot less ecological damage or cost by dropping nukes on every major city in the state.
We could just give everyone in LA a Tesla, and let them die from the electrocutions.
Seriously if the population of LA and that area was what is actually sustainable, most of California's drought problems would be permanently over, and the Colorado River would reach the sea again.
Thats great, now consider vast plantations of these endangered species tree covering Nevada.So the solution to California having a drought is to destroy an entire ecosystem?
The majority of Nevada is covered by the Great Basin Desert, which houses such species as the desert woodrat and the bristlecone pines (the pines might be the oldest living organisms in the world). Plus, given that the reason the desert exists is because of a mountain range, we would have to blow up quite a few mountains, causing even more ecological damage... and potentially depriving California and Nevada both of one of their primary sources of fresh water. Not to mention the ecological impact it would have on the rest of the continent.
We could solve California's water issues a lot faster with a lot less ecological damage or cost by dropping nukes on every major city in the state.
Which would quickly die off, leaving the area a barren wasteland, due to the lack of water from destroying the mountains that supply it.
One of the things that makes rainforests possible is that they usually have rivers running through them to help supply water, which in turn allows them to grow up and establish the climate of constant rain and humidity. Without that source of water, they cannot survive.
It's a Catch-22 situation; the same mountains that provide Nevada with the water we need to create a rainforest there are the ones who keep the place a desert and would have to be removed to allow enough moisture to stay in the air for a rainforest climate to truly form.
If a plantation rainforest were grown in Nevada occupying 'all of nevada' then it would rain into California regularly.
I'd support that... if and only if the project is run in accordance with all of California's conservation and labor laws.
If you were offered a ten year contract working for food and shelter with a payment of a million dollars tax free on completion at the end of ten years and citizenship (for non citizens), would you be interested in doing so?
Are you going to fund this with the same lottery that wouldn't fund the Hyperloop?
why not wave-motion powered reverse osmosis desalination to solve the water issue?
... Vegas would not be the same in the middle of a rain forest.
Potential environmental damage to the oceans. And in general, it's accepted that if we do too much damage to the oceans, all life on Earth dies. And desalination could actually cause that.
So, in general, that's an idea that has to wait until after we've terraformed Mars... just in case.
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It would have more monkeys... win win.
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why not wave-motion powered reverse osmosis desalination to solve the water issue?
... Vegas would not be the same in the middle of a rain forest.
Potential environmental damage to the oceans. And in general, it's accepted that if we do too much damage to the oceans, all life on Earth dies. And desalination could actually cause that.
So, in general, that's an idea that has to wait until after we've terraformed Mars... just in case.
Depends on what is done with the extracted salts and other impurities. If what is done is the equivalent of actually removing the amount of seawater without increasing the salinity of the ocean, then it is essentially a wash but could have the added benefit of offsetting the effects of ocean level increase from global warming a bit.
Depends on what is done with the extracted salts and other impurities. If what is done is the equivalent of actually removing the amount of seawater without increasing the salinity of the ocean, then it is essentially a wash but could have the added benefit of offsetting the effects of ocean level increase from global warming a bit.why not wave-motion powered reverse osmosis desalination to solve the water issue?
... Vegas would not be the same in the middle of a rain forest.
Potential environmental damage to the oceans. And in general, it's accepted that if we do too much damage to the oceans, all life on Earth dies. And desalination could actually cause that.
So, in general, that's an idea that has to wait until after we've terraformed Mars... just in case.
Only if done in very low quantities. Otherwise, we would be draining the oceans of water and potentially either concentrating what CO2 is in them, killing all life, or altering the water cycle on a planet-wide scale, which would actually accelerate the current climate issues.
If a plantation rainforest were grown in Nevada occupying 'all of nevada' then it would rain into California regularly.
If you were offered a ten year contract working for food and shelter with a payment of a million dollars tax free on completion at the end of ten years and citizenship (for non citizens), would you be interested in doing so?
The prospect of living in a solar powered, airconditioned, shipping container working for food and shelter with a million dollar payout at the end of ten years might be of interest to some, but others might not. Think of it as a domestic deployment of the peace Corps.
You know...there is a reason why rainforests are not currently found in NEVADA right?
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You know...there is a reason why rainforests are not currently found in NEVADA right?If a plantation rainforest were grown in Nevada occupying 'all of nevada' then it would rain into California regularly.
If you were offered a ten year contract working for food and shelter with a payment of a million dollars tax free on completion at the end of ten years and citizenship (for non citizens), would you be interested in doing so?
The prospect of living in a solar powered, airconditioned, shipping container working for food and shelter with a million dollar payout at the end of ten years might be of interest to some, but others might not. Think of it as a domestic deployment of the peace Corps.
The same reason you are all freezing your asses off. No one saw the advantage of a forest.
Only if done in very low quantities. Otherwise, we would be draining the oceans of water and potentially either concentrating what CO2 is in them, killing all life, or altering the water cycle on a planet-wide scale, which would actually accelerate the current climate issues.Depends on what is done with the extracted salts and other impurities. If what is done is the equivalent of actually removing the amount of seawater without increasing the salinity of the ocean, then it is essentially a wash but could have the added benefit of offsetting the effects of ocean level increase from global warming a bit.why not wave-motion powered reverse osmosis desalination to solve the water issue?
... Vegas would not be the same in the middle of a rain forest.
Potential environmental damage to the oceans. And in general, it's accepted that if we do too much damage to the oceans, all life on Earth dies. And desalination could actually cause that.
So, in general, that's an idea that has to wait until after we've terraformed Mars... just in case.
The entire water usage of California for one year is about 0.00000686% of the Pacific Ocean. It would take 145,000 years for California to use 1% of the Pacific Ocean. If we have to get the water anyways, this would reduce the need to mine salt from the earth. Interestingly enough, there's a salt shortage this year due to the winter storms affecting large portions of the country.
At least a portion of that water would end up back in the ocean also.
Affecting the whole ocean drastically with desalination is unlikely. What is more likely is impacting local environments, depopulating bays and areas immediately outside the desalination plant if waste from the process isn't managed properly.
Only if done in very low quantities. Otherwise, we would be draining the oceans of water and potentially either concentrating what CO2 is in them, killing all life, or altering the water cycle on a planet-wide scale, which would actually accelerate the current climate issues.Depends on what is done with the extracted salts and other impurities. If what is done is the equivalent of actually removing the amount of seawater without increasing the salinity of the ocean, then it is essentially a wash but could have the added benefit of offsetting the effects of ocean level increase from global warming a bit.why not wave-motion powered reverse osmosis desalination to solve the water issue?
... Vegas would not be the same in the middle of a rain forest.
Potential environmental damage to the oceans. And in general, it's accepted that if we do too much damage to the oceans, all life on Earth dies. And desalination could actually cause that.
So, in general, that's an idea that has to wait until after we've terraformed Mars... just in case.
The entire water usage of California for one year is about 0.00000686% of the Pacific Ocean. It would take 145,000 years for California to use 1% of the Pacific Ocean. If we have to get the water anyways, this would reduce the need to mine salt from the earth. Interestingly enough, there's a salt shortage this year due to the winter storms affecting large portions of the country.
At least a portion of that water would end up back in the ocean also.
Affecting the whole ocean drastically with desalination is unlikely. What is more likely is impacting local environments, depopulating bays and areas immediately outside the desalination plant if waste from the process isn't managed properly.
That gets into issues of altering the water cycle. One of the problems with it is the potential to increase the amount of airborne water vapor in and around California. This affects how weather interacts with California, how it reacts with the mountains due to the increase, and potentially can seriously impact weather for much of the continent.
Given that water vapor was acknowledged to be a more powerful greenhouse agent than CO2, it's a pretty big risk. Note that it is not a greenhouse gas, though, due to its nature.
We're already altering the water cycle. The Colorado River hasn't reached the ocean since 1998.
Give it up, pinkskins.
You're done for.
Make way for the gobbos!
We're already altering the water cycle. The Colorado River hasn't reached the ocean since 1998.
There's also all of the dams and artificial lakes...
But just because we were doing something bad before doesn't mean we should do more of it. If it did, we wouldn't be trying to reduce fossil fuel usage.