Breath of Life - How do you make this usable? Touch? 1 Round?


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Silver Crusade

Okay, so you have a Breath of Life scroll. Assume you have it in a wrist sheath (if that's legal) for quick access. If your comrade is on beyond your move in 1 round, he's dead dead dead. Is there any legal way to extend the range or the time using feats/magic items/etc?

Scarab Sages

Eldritch Heritage Aberrant will give you reach with touch spells.

Silver Crusade

Can anything be done with a traditional Cleric build?


Another thought is... teamwork. Maybe you're not close enough. Can the wizard/sorcerer get you there? Perhaps you delay, they dimension door you and you cast. Heck, maybe you get Bull Rushed by the party's barbarian.

There is also a feat that turn melee touch spells into ranged touch spells. I don't think you can apply metamagic feats to scrolls though. Not positive.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing some alterations to the spell itself.


There is a spell that brings a character back to life for a number of rounds and then they die again. It may be a 3.5 spell I am thinking about.


Prethen wrote:
Okay, so you have a Breath of Life scroll. Assume you have it in a wrist sheath (if that's legal) for quick access. If your comrade is on beyond your move in 1 round, he's dead dead dead. Is there any legal way to extend the range or the time using feats/magic items/etc?

Assuming you're a cleric then the 4th level spell Blessing of Fervor can boost your movement, my cleric takes it every day as it's fantastic, and can be extremely useful when combined with the 2nd level spell Grace to allow your movements to not provoke Attacks of Opportunity.

My Cleric uses that combo often to get to downed party members and he's recently acquired an Infinite Scrollcase to help him access scrolls quickly.


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within one round, not within the same round

Shadow Lodge

Rod of Reach should do it?

Silver Crusade

Move to downed ally, cast prepared Breath of Life spell ...

On a scroll ... not so much.


Familiars are also nice for Clerics.


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Do not buy scroll of breath of life, buy scroll of reach breath of life instead.

Silver Crusade

leo1925 wrote:
Do not buy scroll of breath of life, buy scroll of reach breath of life instead.

What/where exactly is that?

Silver Crusade

Magda Luckbender wrote:

Move to downed ally, cast prepared Breath of Life spell ...

On a scroll ... not so much.

If you have a 20' move and your fallen comrade in 30' away; he'll remain dead by current constraints.


Prethen wrote:
leo1925 wrote:
Do not buy scroll of breath of life, buy scroll of reach breath of life instead.
What/where exactly is that?

Metamagic feat: Reach Spell

Silver Crusade

Can you actually buy a Metamagic version of a spell? How much would this one cost? Would it cost as much as a 6th level spell then (1650 GP)?

Democratus wrote:
Prethen wrote:
leo1925 wrote:
Do not buy scroll of breath of life, buy scroll of reach breath of life instead.
What/where exactly is that?

Metamagic feat: Reach Spell


Quick Runner Shirt will get you an extra move action.


Yes it would cost as much as a 6th level scroll.


When creating/purchasing a scroll with metamagic applied, you pay the price of the spell level after the metamagic adjustment. So for a 5th level spell and a metamagic that raises effective spell level by 1, you'd pay for a 6th level spell.

Silver Crusade

Interesting, that Quick Runners Shirt might be the cheapest way to deal with the situation and have something useful that doesn't go away after one use. The only problem is that I might be getting into the middle of melee and have AOO...but, oh well.

Matthew Downie wrote:
Quick Runner Shirt will get you an extra move action.

Grand Lodge

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Consider Invigorating Repose as well.


In case you're playing PFS, neither the quick runners shirt nor metamagic'd scrolls are legal (unless the scroll is purchased from a chronicle sheet). In a homegame, be sure to check with your GM first.

Silver Crusade

Awwww, man! Really...not PFS legal. That sucks. Thanks for the warning! I guess I'm still out of luck for an inexpensive solution.

Mystically Inclined wrote:
In case you're playing PFS, neither the quick runners shirt nor metamagic'd scrolls are legal (unless the scroll is purchased from a chronicle sheet). In a homegame, be sure to check with your GM first.

Silver Crusade

I suppose that's cheaper than buying a bunch of scrolls of the Reach version of BoL and if it's ever used up then I'll just have to buy another one (1125 GP).

TriOmegaZero wrote:
Consider Invigorating Repose as well.


TriOmegaZero seems to have a great option, but it might only be available to dwarves.

If the 20' move is the problem, boots of striding and springing are only 5500, and a wand of expeditious retreat should only be like 750.

Silver Crusade

Good idea, but at 11000 GP, I won't be able to afford that for awhile (have some other more compelling purchases I need to make).

Avatar-1 wrote:
Rod of Reach should do it?


Get someone else in the party to pick the dead guy up and carry him to you.




Prerequisite: Channel energy 6d6 (positive energy).

Benefit: As a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity, you can expend three uses of your channel energy class feature to restore a dead creature to life as if you had cast the breath of life spell.

Scarab Sages

Dustyboy wrote:


Prerequisite: Channel energy 6d6 (positive energy).

Benefit: As a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity, you can expend three uses of your channel energy class feature to restore a dead creature to life as if you had cast the breath of life spell.

It's a nice to be able to use it, but it still has the limitations of Breath of Life - ie touch range.

Silver Crusade

Imbicatus wrote:
Dustyboy wrote:


Prerequisite: Channel energy 6d6 (positive energy).

Benefit: As a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity, you can expend three uses of your channel energy class feature to restore a dead creature to life as if you had cast the breath of life spell.

It's a nice to be able to use it, but it still has the limitations of Breath of Life - ie touch range.

Nope...according to the doc's it's range is that of the Channel Energy ability.


Trainwreck wrote:

Get someone else in the party to pick the dead guy up and carry him to you.

That's pretty good, I always recommend in campaigns with no leadership. To get an ape animal companion or monkey familiar wherever possible, while they don't always have the best feats, you can give them weapons

Imbicatus wrote:
Dustyboy wrote:


Prerequisite: Channel energy 6d6 (positive energy).

Benefit: As a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity, you can expend three uses of your channel energy class feature to restore a dead creature to life as if you had cast the breath of life spell.

It's a nice to be able to use it, but it still has the limitations of Breath of Life - ie touch range.

Not according to the sidebar, the sidebar says it's the range of channeled energy.. which is within 30 feet

Silver Crusade

Well I suppose a possibility is to have the feat (sucks to use up a feat slot) and have a scroll of BoL just in case I don't have enough channels left.

Scarab Sages

Well, It's nice to be wrong per the FAQ, but RAW, the "as if you had cast the breath of life spell" means the range of the spell. I would expect heavy table variation if the Faq isn't immediately available.


Prethen wrote:
Well I suppose a possibility is to have the feat (sucks to use up a feat slot) and have a scroll of BoL just in case I don't have enough channels left.

I'm telling you get an ape and bring his int up by 1, give him skill focus UMD, and get him a scroll of silent BoL


Imbicatus wrote:
Well, It's nice to be wrong per the FAQ, but RAW, the "as if you had cast the breath of life spell" means the range of the spell. I would expect heavy table variation if the Faq isn't immediately available.

Actually the totem guide can do verbal components, so that...


Mounts.


Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
Mounts.

But i don't know of any mounts (Dire bat maybe?) which have hands that they can manipulate objects with to read them.

A prone ape has four hands to fight with


He's clearly talking about riding a mount to deal with the issue of not having enough movement speed yourself.

Except for a small select list of improved familiars, no animal companion or familiar can activate magic items in PFS.
Or if you go by the letter of the FAQ, no familiar or companion can do so, period.
And as has already been stated, metamagic scrolls are not readily available in PFS.


Prethen wrote:
Interesting, that Quick Runners Shirt might be the cheapest way to deal with the situation and have something useful that doesn't go away after one use. The only problem is that I might be getting into the middle of melee and have AOO...but, oh well.

Take Grace everyday if you can, it's a very useful spell for its level and will ensure you don't suffer AoOs for running to heal an ally, it's also got a casting time of Swift :-)

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