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He recently was forced to switch from harsk to ezren due to us having mershiel replace our valereos and leaving us missing a spellcaster. (besides harsk is just a crappier mershiel most of the time) He was great about the switch and likes the deck but he does not know why ezren has a weapon if he just has a D4 for strength it just seems unreasonable since he would rarely if ever need a weapon due to spells. Though i could see him having armor instead or one blessing. since blessings are rather good

J Scot Shady |

Thematically and canon based on the RPG, wizard don't normally use armor so that is probably the reason for no armor. Thematically it also makes sense that a wizard carry a staff. Lastly, the story for Ezren kind of has him turn his back on the gods, so he gets no blessings from them in return.
Also, Ezren's strength is a D6 not a D4.

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snickersimba wrote:He recently was forced to switch from harsk to ezren due to us having mershiel replace our valereos and leaving us missing a spellcaster. (besides harsk is just a crappier mershiel most of the time)This makes me sad.
harsk with a bow using ranged has a maximum of a d11+whatever
mershiel with a dagger or a bow has a D12 and its universal meaning harsk is less of an archer and more or less that short dude with a beard who drinks tea

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Thematically and canon based on the RPG, wizard don't normally use armor so that is probably the reason for no armor. Thematically it also makes sense that a wizard carry a staff. Lastly, the story for Ezren kind of has him turn his back on the gods, so he gets no blessings from them in return.
Also, Ezren's strength is a D6 not a D4.
i never actually checked his card i assumed it thanks to lem lini and seoni having D4s he would have one too since hes an old ass man

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Considering I give him a bow at the first chance, I usually don't care what his strength is most of the time. He's also got a d6 dex.
OCD snickersimba dislikes this idea and perfers giving ezren a dagger or forcing him to use a stick or sword :/ i literally told my friend that he should get rid of the shock longbow +1 for the allying darts +1 for thematic reasons and he agreed XD

csouth154 |
kysmartman wrote:Considering I give him a bow at the first chance, I usually don't care what his strength is most of the time. He's also got a d6 dex.OCD snickersimba dislikes this idea and perfers giving ezren a dagger or forcing him to use a stick or sword :/ i literally told my friend that he should get rid of the shock longbow +1 for the allying darts +1 for thematic reasons and he agreed XD
There is more than a thematic reason for Ezren not to use a longbow...

Brainwave |

Brainwave wrote:snickersimba wrote:He recently was forced to switch from harsk to ezren due to us having mershiel replace our valereos and leaving us missing a spellcaster. (besides harsk is just a crappier mershiel most of the time)This makes me sad.harsk with a bow using ranged has a maximum of a d11+whatever
mershiel with a dagger or a bow has a D12 and its universal meaning harsk is less of an archer and more or less that short dude with a beard who drinks tea
Yes but there is more to a character than their regular combat roll. Harsk can add so much to everyone else's rolls for very little cost - AND his look ahead power is just amazing.

Orbis Orboros |

harsk with a bow using ranged has a maximum of a d11+whatevermershiel with a dagger or a bow has a D12 and its universal meaning harsk is less of an archer and more or less that short dude with a beard who drinks tea
Just looking at combat stats: Until you start blessing things, Harsk's d8+3 is better than Merisisel's d12. Its max is one lower, but that's a fair trade for being WAY more consistant.

HungryJoe |

Harsk vs Merisiel
1.) Harsk's d8+3 on ranged combat averages a 7.5 with a min of 4 and max of 11, Merisiel would average a 6.5 with a min of 1 and max of 12. As stated by Orbis, this makes Harsk a much more reliable ranger.
2.) Harsk's weapon proficiency gives immediate full use of all ranged weapons with a preference to crossbows and throwing axes, Merisiel's high dexterity, higher strength than Harsk, and no initial weapon proficiency can make daggers a more viable option and makes longbows better once she has her weapon proficiency
3.) Harsk's ability to add to combat checks at other locations puts him in a fantastic support role while Merisiel's ability to add to her own combat check when she is alone makes her a great solo choice.
4.) Harsk you can look ahead and plan out each encounter. But Merisiel, with her evade ability, can just blindly run into anything and evade whatever she doesn't like.
Bottom line: the only similarity is they would both tend to use dexterity based weapons. If your friend was treating Harsk as a crappy Merisiel than it is definitely a good thing he switched to Ezren. If you couldn't tell from this post, I really enjoy playing Harsk...

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Harsk vs Merisiel
1.) Harsk's d8+3 on ranged combat averages a 7.5 with a min of 4 and max of 11, Merisiel would average a 6.5 with a min of 1 and max of 12. As stated by Orbis, this makes Harsk a much more reliable ranger.
2.) Harsk's weapon proficiency gives immediate full use of all ranged weapons with a preference to crossbows and throwing axes, Merisiel's high dexterity, higher strength than Harsk, and no initial weapon proficiency can make daggers a more viable option and makes longbows better once she has her weapon proficiency
3.) Harsk's ability to add to combat checks at other locations puts him in a fantastic support role while Merisiel's ability to add to her own combat check when she is alone makes her a great solo choice.
4.) Harsk you can look ahead and plan out each encounter. But Merisiel, with her evade ability, can just blindly run into anything and evade whatever she doesn't like.
Bottom line: the only similarity is they would both tend to use dexterity based weapons. If your friend was treating Harsk as a crappy Merisiel than it is definitely a good thing he switched to Ezren. If you couldn't tell from this post, I really enjoy playing Harsk...
no he wasn't he was playing harsk like harsk but we needed to have one spellcaster that ISN'T me as im a cleric and i cannot afford to sling holy bolts all the time i need cures too

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Getting back on topic, the Venomous Dagger +2 is great for Ezren if he just recharges it everytime, it's almost like playing a mediocre spell.
If I recall correctly, with Ezren's base dex it gives you d6 + d4 + d12 +2 for your combat check. That's 5 min, 14.5 average, and 24 max. Not bad at all.
i would rather stick a longsword on him :/ but thats me mainly since poison damage is very very very bad in this game and i highly doubt mershiel would be willing to let him have that sooooo a longsword +2 is the best thing hes got

csouth154 |
Orbis Orboros wrote:i would rather stick a longsword on him :/ but thats me mainly since poison damage is very very very bad in this game and i highly doubt mershiel would be willing to let him have that sooooo a longsword +2 is the best thing hes gotGetting back on topic, the Venomous Dagger +2 is great for Ezren if he just recharges it everytime, it's almost like playing a mediocre spell.
If I recall correctly, with Ezren's base dex it gives you d6 + d4 + d12 +2 for your combat check. That's 5 min, 14.5 average, and 24 max. Not bad at all.
Uh...you realize any check Ezren attempts with a Longsword has its difficulty increased by four, right?

Orbis Orboros |

Merisisel should have a weapon that doesn't rely on recharging to hit hard, since she gets so few weapons; this also means that she should definitely not have the poison weapon. If a monster comes up that's immune to poison, Ezren can just zap it. His strength/dex is too low to just weapon everything he comes accross, so his weapon should be somewhat powerful, even if that means you have to recharge it.

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Merisisel should have a weapon that doesn't rely on recharging to hit hard, since she gets so few weapons; this also means that she should definitely not have the poison weapon. If a monster comes up that's immune to poison, Ezren can just zap it. His strength/dex is too low to just weapon everything he comes accross, so his weapon should be somewhat powerful, even if that means you have to recharge it.
yeah but the player who is mershiel RARELY uses recharging abilities for that reason and it hits plenty hard already with a weapon bonus and +2 dexterity
then suddenly healer has to go running over to heal because hes spamming spells D:

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Ezren should make most of his recharge checks. Spam away.
Also, the Venomous Dagger +2 isn't as good as a light crossbow +1, a heavy crossbow, or even a longbow +1 if you're not using their discard/recharge abilities.
we have a general houserule of rogues cannot use bows/crossbows because i am ocd as hell about that stuff XD

icehawk333 |

Orbis Orboros wrote:we have a general houserule of rogues cannot use bows/crossbows because i am ocd as hell about that stuff XDEzren should make most of his recharge checks. Spam away.
Also, the Venomous Dagger +2 isn't as good as a light crossbow +1, a heavy crossbow, or even a longbow +1 if you're not using their discard/recharge abilities.
You're nerfing ROUGES? What is wrong with you?

csouth154 |
It seems he's house-ruled his game into something hardly recognizable as PACG. whatever works for him, I suppose...
Oh, and you never answered my question, Snickersimba. Are you aware that every check Ezren makes with a Longsword has its difficulty increased by four? Or did you house-rule that out, too? :)

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it was a joke guys XD its just somthing from a really old flashgame i used to play we just never found a crossbow though we did find a shortbow and a sling at one point
pretty much in the game i think it was called blades of hell or somthing similiar whatevers were a rogue could pick up daggers and nothing else it was a poorly made and very crappy game but it was fun at the same time since warriors could have only swords and archers could only have bows :/ i thought everyone remebered it
so yeah don't yell at me because one i have a strange sense of humor and two there is a magical thing called randomness so mershiel hasn't had the luck to get a shock longbow
we DID find one but it was me who found it and i am kyra so i banished it back to the box

Brainwave |

Merisiel should have a weapon that doesn't rely on recharging to hit hard, since she gets so few weapons
I've been pretty successful giving her one non recharging weapon (I use the deathbane crossbow - but the crossbow +1 or even a heavy crossbow would work in a pinch) and 2 +2 venomous daggers. The crossbow gives her a static roll that's pretty decent and when one of the daggers comes up she can recharge it to get the full bonus. Yes, several monsters are immune to poison - in that case use the crossbow. And if you need magic but no poison you *can* kill something with the +2 dagger without recharging if you discard for 2d6 extra, especially if someone else throws in a blessing. It's not that bad. And it keeps her hand from being clogged with extra non-recharge weapons. Yes she can use her power to recharge them for 1d6 in a combat but you get more from the venomous dagger recharge than that.
The flip side is if she doesn't draw the crossbow until late, you are forced to only use the daggers. But I don't think that's that bad either - you can still recharge and take a chance on not having a weapon, or not, depending on the difficulty of the combat. The fact that she can practically evade anything means that getting rid of her only weapon doesn't hurt her as much as others, in my opinion.

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either way mershiel will pick one of those up and im guessing i should of mentioned we are running two diffrent scenarios at once:
perils of the lost coast->brigandoom!: three players ezren, kyra, mershiel
burnt offerings->thistletop delve: two to three players depending on grandfathers buttheaddedness amiri, mershiel, kyra
so im guessing you CAN play blessings on somone elses turn O_O

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going into Chapter 2, my Ezren deck uses the +1 allying dart in the weapon slot. I never use it as a weapon though, but for the utility of adding to others combat checks at my location. With a healthy recharge rate, I'm rarely without attack spells in my hand. I don't miss armor as I keep a mirror image in my spell list and a sihedron medallion in an item slot.