I have a player that is a two - weapon fighter/monk gestault character. He is using two light weapons, but for cinematic feel he wants to attack with one weapon and sometimes attack with his offhand weapon or sometimes with a kick, knee, elbow. Can he switch between weapons and unarmed strikes freely as long as he designates which of his attacks are main hand and which are considered offhand?
Flurry will limit which weapons the character can use while two weapon fighting.
Also a monk does not have an off hand. It is part of the flurry ability.
Also a monk does not have an off hand. It is part of the flurry ability.
Well, their unarmed strikes do not have an offhand. Unless he is doing flurry, which...yeah, no offhand. I just do not make assumptions since there are some, frankly, rather nice archetypes that trade flurry away.
Anyway, just to add to the bit about flurry: if your weapons are flurriable (so unarmed strikes, monk weapons, weapons under the sohei's weapon training, technically anything you can cheese past your GM with crusader's flurry...which might not be bad to dip since you are gestalt), they yes, you can pick any attack you have available for your flurry hits.
Pick the same weapon 7 times, pick 7 different weapons (maybe with quickdraw and drop?), pick 7 different parts of your body to smack them with. Whatever you want. So while it can end up being a bit restrictive on what weapons you can get into the flurry, it at least leaves you completely free to do what you want with them after that.
Yeah he isn't doing flurry. He is actually doing two weapon Warrior and using attack and trip as his main and off hand standard attack as the archetype allows but wants to go from sword to kick in between for his attacks and any AoOs he gets
Yeah he isn't doing flurry. He is actually doing two weapon Warrior and using attack and trip as his main and off hand standard attack as the archetype allows but wants to go from sword to kick in between for his attacks and any AoOs he gets
That is perfectly fine.
Vicious Stomp Feat sounds right up his alley
Yeah he isn't doing flurry. He is actually doing two weapon Warrior and using attack and trip as his main and off hand standard attack as the archetype allows but wants to go from sword to kick in between for his attacks and any AoOs he gets
As long as he has Improved Unarmed Strike, he's fine.
He is taking vicious stomp and wants to know if his AoO from that can have two unarmed strikes one from his main foot and another off hand foot or elbow or knee etc
He is taking vicious stomp and wants to know if his AoO from that can have two unarmed strikes one from his main foot and another off hand foot or elbow or knee etc
AoO's can be made using any weapon/attack that is capable of threatening the opponent unless otherwise noted in an ability. Because of the enhancement bonus adding to CMB as well as attack rolls, most people just use the weapon for both (the best chance of success is using the shiny enhanced weapon). Using your unarmed strike is valid, but will typically be less effective unless using an Amulet of Mighty Fists or Magic Fang spell (to get the bonuses the weapon would have).
He is taking vicious stomp and wants to know if his AoO from that can have two unarmed strikes one from his main foot and another off hand foot or elbow or knee etc
You get ONE attack per AOO. An infact The AOO from Vicious Stomp MUST be an unarmed strike (it's against a prone target and the feat does use 'stomp' so flavor would definately make the attack foot related).
Say he was level 6 so get got an iterative, his attack routine could be
Attack with weapon - trip (+6 BAB)
Vicous Stomp AOO - unarmed strike - (+6 BAB +4 from prone)
Weapon Attack OR Unarmed Strike (+6 BAB - 5 interative + 4 from prone)
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Sorry for necro'ing this post but it's in the same spirit of the above poster.
Can a character with Improved Unarmed Strike feat and TWF full-attack with with his main hand then a kick while wielding a small shield for an AC bonus?
Wondering because since the IUS feat lets you use knees, head, feet, etc it seems like I could strike with attacks other than my 2ndary hand and use my 2ndary hand to up my AC with a shield.
Thanks and looking forward to responses regarding this. :)
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Sorry for necro'ing this post but it's in the same spirit of the above poster.
Can a character with Improved Unarmed Strike feat and TWF full-attack with with his main hand then a kick while wielding a small shield for an AC bonus?
Wondering because since the IUS feat lets you use knees, head, feet, etc it seems like I could strike with attacks other than my 2ndary hand and use my 2ndary hand to up my AC with a shield.
Thanks and looking forward to responses regarding this. :)
When taking a full attack you may use TWF. If you do, you must announce it before you roll your first attack, and you must announce which weapon will be your designated 'off-hand' weapon for this particular full attack (you can designate a different off-hand attack each time you announce a full attack, but must stick with the one you announced for the duration of that full attack). If the designated off-hand attack counts as a light weapon for you then your TWF attack penalties are reduced by -2 and the off-hand attack only gains half your Str bonus to damage.
Only your designated off-hand attack is eligible to take the extra attack(s) granted by TWF, Improved TWF and Greater TWF. Your off-hand weapon may not take any of your normal attacks (such as iteratives, extra attack from haste or the Speed quality, any AoOs you get during your own full attack).
The off-hand attack, despite its name, is not limited to weapons which are hand-held. They can be helmets, boots, or unarmed strikes.
If your PC has a sword in his right hand, a shield in his left, and Improved Unarmed Strike, then he may designate any of the three as his off-hand weapon for this full attack. This doesn't mean that each choice is equally wise!
The smartest choice, and the one it seems you intend, is to choose your Unarmed strike as your off-hand weapon. It counts as light, so the TWF attack penalties are only -2 (I'm assuming you have the TWF feat). With this choice, your extra off-hand attack(s) must be with Unarmed Strike, and you may not not use Unarmed Strike for your other attacks, no matter where they come from. In this case, you can use a combination of RH sword and LH shield bashes for your other attacks. If you use the shield to bash, you must follow those rules. My guess is that you won't use your shield to bash, you just want the extra AC, and that works fine.
You could designate your shield as the off-hand weapon. This would force you to shield bash for those attacks.
You could choose your sword as your off-hand attack, but if it's not a light weapon then your TWF attack penalties (for all your attacks during this full attack) will be at -4. Not generally a good idea.
I've tried to be comprehensive. If you have any follow-up questions, ask away. : )
Sorry for necro'ing this post but it's in the same spirit of the above poster.
Can a character with Improved Unarmed Strike feat and TWF full-attack with with his main hand then a kick while wielding a small shield for an AC bonus?
Wondering because since the IUS feat lets you use knees, head, feet, etc it seems like I could strike with attacks other than my 2ndary hand and use my 2ndary hand to up my AC with a shield.
Thanks and looking forward to responses regarding this. :)
When taking a full attack you may use TWF. If you do, you must announce it before you roll your first attack, and you must announce which weapon will be your designated 'off-hand' weapon for this particular full attack (you can designate a different off-hand attack each time you announce a full attack, but must stick with the one you announced for the duration of that full attack). If the designated off-hand attack counts as a light weapon for you then your TWF attack penalties are reduced by -2 and the off-hand attack only gains half your Str bonus to damage.
Can you provide a rule link to this ?
If what you say is true, you can't efficiently TWF thrown weapons.|
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When taking a full attack you may use TWF. If you do, you must announce it before you roll your first attack, and you must announce which weapon will be your designated 'off-hand' weapon for this particular full attack (you can designate a different off-hand attack each time you announce a full attack, but must stick with the one you announced for the duration of that full attack). If the designated off-hand attack counts as a light weapon for you then your TWF attack penalties are reduced by -2 and the off-hand attack only gains half your Str bonus to damage.Can you provide a rule link to this ?
If what you say is true, you can't efficiently TWF thrown weapons.
The same hand throwing the same weapon type counts as the same attack, so no problem.
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So what your saying is that there is a difference between a monk Flurry and TWF, and only Flurry can use the alternative weapons (as long as they are monk weapons) on the fly.
In normal TWF any attacks you can make using non-TWF granted attacks can be mixed and matched any way you like...except that you can't use your off-hand weapon for those. Only the 0ff-hand weapon can take the extra TWF attack(s).
Since flurry doesn't have an off-hand attack, the extra flurry attack(s) are not limited; the extra attacks are not distinguished and are not subject to off-hand limits. So you can mix and match your flurry attacks, even using a single weapon for every single attack, even the extra ones. Flurry has a limit of its own, though: every attack in a flurry must be made by unarmed strikes/monk weapons. The only exception is the extra attack granted by haste or the like.
Sorry for necro'ing this post but it's in the same spirit of the above poster.
Can a character with Improved Unarmed Strike feat and TWF full-attack with with his main hand then a kick while wielding a small shield for an AC bonus?
Wondering because since the IUS feat lets you use knees, head, feet, etc it seems like I could strike with attacks other than my 2ndary hand and use my 2ndary hand to up my AC with a shield.
Thanks and looking forward to responses regarding this. :)
When taking a full attack you may use TWF. If you do, you must announce it before you roll your first attack, and you must announce which weapon will be your designated 'off-hand' weapon for this particular full attack (you can designate a different off-hand attack each time you announce a full attack, but must stick with the one you announced for the duration of that full attack). If the designated off-hand attack counts as a light weapon for you then your TWF attack penalties are reduced by -2 and the off-hand attack only gains half your Str bonus to damage.
Only your designated off-hand attack is eligible to take the extra attack(s) granted by TWF, Improved TWF and Greater TWF. Your off-hand weapon may not take any of your normal attacks (such as iteratives, extra attack from haste or the Speed quality, any AoOs you get during your own full attack).
The off-hand attack, despite its name, is not limited to weapons which are hand-held. They can be helmets, boots, or unarmed strikes.
If your PC has a sword in his right hand, a shield in his left, and Improved Unarmed Strike, then he may designate any of the three as his off-hand weapon for this full attack. This doesn't mean that each choice is equally wise!
The smartest choice, and the one it seems you intend, is to choose your Unarmed strike as your off-hand weapon. It counts as light, so the TWF attack penalties are only -2 (I'm assuming you have the TWF feat). With this choice, your extra off-hand attack(s) must be with...
This is close but I don't think it is 100% accurate.
You do have to declare which attacks are main attacks and which ones are off-hand attacks. You can use other weapons as either if you have more than just those two attacks.
For instance, say you have a +6 BAB, Improved Two Weapon fighting, Improved Unarmed Strike, a short sword in each hand, and armor spikes. That would mean you threaten with 4 weapons. Each is light. You would have 4 attacks with the following array: Main-Hand +4/ Off-Hand +4/Main-Hand +1/ Off-Hand +1
You can attack with any combination of any weapon that you wish except for the following:
No single weapon may be used more than twice.
No single weapon may be used for both a main-hand attack and an off-hand attack.
You could attack Short Sword A +4, Short Sword B +4, Unarmed Strike +1, Armor Spikes +1 if you had some reason to.
If you had Quick Draw and started armed, you could attack with two Short Swords and drop them, draw two daggers and attack with two of them if you wanted.
You just have to keep track of main-hand vs off-hand weapons with each attack.
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Not so:-
You can also make a regular melee attack (or off-hand attack) with the spikes, and they count as a light weapon in this case. (You can't also make an attack with armor spikes if you have already made an attack with another off-hand weapon, and vice versa.)
Only one weapon may take the extra off-hand attacks granted by TWFing in any single full attack, and you can mix and match your other attacks in any way you like with the exception of your off-hand weapon.
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The smartest choice, and the one it seems you intend, is to choose your Unarmed strike as your off-hand weapon. It counts as light, so the TWF attack penalties are only -2 (I'm assuming you have the TWF feat). With this choice, your extra off-hand attack(s) must be with Unarmed Strike, and you may not not use Unarmed Strike for your other attacks, no matter where they come from.
Per this FAQ, you can use two weapon fighting to make two unarmed strikes. Unarmed Strikes are not subject to the rule that you cannot make a regular attack with an off-hand weapon.
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Per this FAQ, you can use two weapon fighting to make two unarmed strikes. Unarmed Strikes are not subject to the rule that you cannot make a regular attack with an off-hand weapon.
The smartest choice, and the one it seems you intend, is to choose your Unarmed strike as your off-hand weapon. It counts as light, so the TWF attack penalties are only -2 (I'm assuming you have the TWF feat). With this choice, your extra off-hand attack(s) must be with Unarmed Strike, and you may not not use Unarmed Strike for your other attacks, no matter where they come from.
Well spotted. : )
Unarmed strike is the exception.