Abundant Step


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Ok so, I am doing something a little silly for an upcoming game. I am making Wesker in Pathfinder. So far, my ideas are trying to use the Abundant Step ability a bunch of times, and its looking like Monk may be the way to go with it. I also plan on grabbing all of the Dimensional Agility feats to go along with it. I am thinking probably race Dhampir, and I will end up picking up some Smoked Goggles, because he has to have his shades. Though it looks like having to spend 2 Ki points just to jump is rather expensive, so I was thinking of possibly taking Vow of Poverty. I would like to know if there is maybe an feat similar to the Signature Grit ability where I can reduce the point cost by 1. That would be really awesome. Anyway, you guys give me some suggestions about what you think I should do.


Ring of Ki Mastery

It will reduce any ki point based ability by 1 point, to no less than 1 point.

Also, besides the Feats past dimmensional agility, you could try to take Quickened Spell-like ability at 17th level, to do it as a swift action.

Also, 3 levels of horizon walker, errain ability for astral plane is dimension door for 3+ wis mod times per day. So there's even more to get.

With horizon walker, the other feats are better, than with the quickened version.

Sczarni

Don't take Vows. They're really just a trap.

The only ones that are easy to uphold, is the Vow of Silence and Vow of Chains. Nothing else is worth it as the detriment is too much. Poverty means you'll never own any good equipment(like any +1s or better to your weapons/aomf)... and if you don any, you'll be breaking your vow and suffering greatly. Don't do it.

Ring of Ki Mastery is probably your best bet. It'll lower it down to 1 ki cost, which really is as cheap as it gets. Also, you can always take the feat Extra Ki as many times as you want.

Silver Crusade

at level 12, a monk would have base 12 + ~6=18 ki. (IIRC, it may be 1/2 monk level which it is then 6+6=12 ki, drunken master is a boon in this)

Sczarni

rorek55 wrote:
at level 12, a monk would have base 12 + ~6=18 ki. (IIRC, it may be 1/2 monk level which it is then 6+6=12 ki, drunken master is a boon in this)

I'm not quite sure I understand where you are getting that from...

"The number of points in a monk's ki pool is equal to 1/2 his monk level + his Wisdom modifier."

At level 12, he would have 6 + Wis Mod. I assume he can then Drink for more Ki.

Silver Crusade

ah, see haha. Also, remember that drunken ki is separate from normal ki.

also, the 6 is assume at level 12 he has around a 22 in wis.. which is a tad low, but good enough.

Scarab Sages

Kazumetsa Raijin wrote:

Don't take Vows. They're really just a trap.

The only ones that are easy to uphold, is the Vow of Silence and Vow of Chains. Nothing else is worth it as the detriment is too much. Poverty means you'll never own any good equipment(like any +1s or better to your weapons/aomf)... and if you don any, you'll be breaking your vow and suffering greatly. Don't do it.

This.

I see a lot of guides stating that Vow of Cleanliness is good. Carry an extra robe, have access to prestidigitation, and you're fine, right? Except if you need to attack undead. You can no longer use unarmed damage or grapple against a huge class of enemies.

a Ki MatRing of Ki Mastery, Drunken Master, Hungry Ghost, or extra Ki are the ways to get more ki.

Don't take vows. If you want to RP Vows, that fine, but don't cripple yourself if you have to break them.

Silver Crusade

vow of silence was actually very fun to RP ingame, and had -limited- repercussions. Though GL getting by with vow of silence on a drunken master :P

Grand Lodge

Oh man the monk in my game took Vow of Cleanliness right before the party delved into the sewer. They had to swim through 10ft tall tunnels filled to 8ft high with nasty. It was an Evil GM night.


I would argue that the Vow of Truth is fairly easy to maintain. It specifically allows for saying nothing if telling the truth would hurt the monk or the party. Losing the ability to bluff probably won't hurt you since odds are you won't have a good bluff check anyway. Even intimidate doesn't have to be predicated on lying ("Yes, I really will pluck his eyes out if he doesn't give us the information we need.") Though again, its not likely to matter anyhow since its unlikely you'll have a good intimidate check.

But yes, most of the vows are not worth it imo. Even the Vow of Silence while, not necessarily hard to pull off, would (again in my opinion) get boring fairly quick.

ETA: I would also concur in the use of the Drunken Monk archetype to get more ki in addition to what everyone else has stated.

Sczarni

Good Call Garg. I forgot all about Vow of Truth.


Another way to increase your ki pool is having decent cha and dip one lvl of cleric for channel energy, then use a bronse gong to convert channel enery to ki points.

Also, ki mystic gives an additional ki pool.

Scarab Sages

XMorsX wrote:
Another way to increase your ki pool is having decent cha and dip one lvl of cleric for channel energy, then use a bronse gong to convert channel enery to ki points.

You have to worship Irori for the Bronze Gong. Also, CHA is pretty much the go-to dump stat for monks. Monks are already the MADest of the MAD classes, trying to fit in CHA as well for Channel Energy is really not worth it.


Imbicatus wrote:
XMorsX wrote:
Another way to increase your ki pool is having decent cha and dip one lvl of cleric for channel energy, then use a bronse gong to convert channel enery to ki points.
You have to worship Irori for the Bronze Gong. Also, CHA is pretty much the go-to dump stat for monks. Monks are already the MADest of the MAD classes, trying to fit in CHA as well for Channel Energy is really not worth it.

Usually it does not, that is true. But if you have a hight point buy and intend to multiclass into paladin or even CoI it is a great boost.

Even if you just intend to dip crusader cleric for Wisdom to attack rolls, by having Cha 10 you can reap a useful benefit out of Bronse Gong.

Also, I don't think that you need to worship Irori specifically. teh pfsrd says that "If the creature striking the gong has a ki pool and worships a good god, she regains 1 ki point". However I can see that they might have altered the description for legal issues.

EDIT: Oh well, it seems that they have altered it. It is even more restrictive than I thought then.


Hmm...Vow of Cleanliness doesn't seem out of the question. I mean, Wesker did wear gloves all of the time, and was pretty well kept as far as cleanliness. I will probably just end up taking the Hungry Ghost monk archtype to help with the Ki Pool thing, and then end up getting an Ki Ring. Seems pretty solid to me.


Qinngong monk can also get you ki leech.

However, the ring of ki mastery is by far the best option.


KainMalice wrote:
Hmm...Vow of Cleanliness doesn't seem out of the question. I mean, Wesker did wear gloves all of the time, and was pretty well kept as far as cleanliness. I will probably just end up taking the Hungry Ghost monk archtype to help with the Ki Pool thing, and then end up getting an Ki Ring. Seems pretty solid to me.

Hungry ghost is good as long as you use a weapon with high crit range. It will not cut it if you go unarmed. In this case, drunken master is preferable, although his abilities other than drinken ki are very mediocre.

Ki mystic also gives an additional ki pool. It is worse than drinken master as far as its ki replenishment is concearned and not much better as far as the overall features are gained, but then again you may not want to play a drunken monk. Along with ki leech from qinggong, a ring of ki mastery and a ki mat it can work decently well.

Extra Ki is usually not the best investment, as you are feat starved and you almost always have a better available alternative.


This may be a silly question, but if I use the Ki Leech ability, the person I am taking it from obviously has to have Ki to take, correct?

Sczarni

KainMalice wrote:
This may be a silly question, but if I use the Ki Leech ability, the person I am taking it from obviously has to have Ki to take, correct?

Negative. Just land a finishing blow or critical confirmation on any subject and you take 1 ki point... likely their lifeforce itself is all in that one ki, or it's 1 ki that everyone has and only few know how to harness and expand that ki.

That's how I see it. The part in italics is RAW.


Hungry ghost is totally Wesker for me.

Silver Crusade

hungry ghost + quiqgong def. def. wesker.


The enemy does not need to have ki.

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