I've been looking at the various bears in the bestiary, and it looks like they are uniformly inferior to equal CR cats. compare the Grizzly bear (A cr 5 bear) to a Tiger a CR 4 cat. The cat has better ability scores, more attacks, pounce, and more strength. To add insult to injury, the cat has more hit dice, so the bear does not even really win out with his higher Con.
I smell a cat-spiracy. Paizo, isn't it time to throw off your cuddly overlords?
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I have meow idea what you're talking about.
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I've been looking at the various bears in the bestiary, and it looks like they are uniformly inferior to equal CR cats. compare the Grizzly bear (A cr 5 bear) to a Tiger a CR 4 cat. The cat has better ability scores, more attacks, pounce, and more strength. To add insult to injury, the cat has more hit dice, so the bear does not even really win out with his higher Con.
I smell a cat-spiracy. Paizo, isn't it time to throw off your cuddly overlords?
Are you really accusing us of panda-ring to a specific demographic?
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Bear their bearly passable responses with beared teeth and bearly an ounce of fear, Knight Magenta. Bear the flag of this cause until you have laid bear this unbearible travesty.
tl;dr - LICENSE AND REGISTRATION MEOW
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My fix is to give bears max HP on all hit dice, chainsaw vision, and plasma breath.
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What have I done? I cat bear to look.
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My fix is to give bears max HP on all hit dice, chainsaw vision, and plasma breath.
That would be cheating you cheetah!
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bare cavalry
:O
I have some things to say on the subject, but my voice will have gone horse by the time I'm done.
Oh dear god, I was bearly able to keep from spaying pop all over my keyboard...
I have some things to say on the subject, but my voice will have gone horse by the time I'm done.Holding your tongue must be unbearable.
I'll just squirrel it away for another time.
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Another kodiak moment on the Paizo forums!
What have I done? I cat bear to look.No, we like it when customers ocelot of questions.
In this case, though, it might be time for some of them to koal-aff.
You've got to be kitten me with the complaints about bears. I mean the shapeshifter ranger has the literal right to Bear arms. And I ain't even lion.
I otter known this is what this thread would come to.
I otter known this is what this thread would come to.
You always poo-puma jokes don't you?
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Deceptive thread title.
But yes, bears (particularly as animal companions) need more stat love.
Well at least cavaliers can't have a catamount. But the OP is right that bears aren't exactly smilodon by the rules.
Polar Bears do seem more in line with being correct CR (5), but seem to have stats that far outshine the Grizzly (also CR 5). Still, comparing it to the Tiger seems unfair, as the tiger has the same strengths (including the grab ability, and on both its claws and bite) and then some (pounce, rake). Perhaps the tiger is a bad comparison though, as most other cats compare at CR 3.
As a GM, I've noticed a lot of CRs aren't where they should be (give or take 1 seems about right), and I would adjust the Tiger (using those same stats, CR 6) and Bear (CR 4, at best).
But Paizo has a lot on their plate; try to "bear" with them (couldn't resist!)
No, we like it when customers ocelot of questions.That was the best. :D :D :D
This is why I've been totally won over by Paizo. You'd never get this kind of interaction with WotC.
Now don't start a big spectacled!
Damn, beaten to the punch!
Don't get catty about it... if you're not fast enough, meow over.
Damn, beaten to the punch!Don't get catty about it... if you're not fast enough, meow over.
Let's hit paws on this discussion.
Harsk agrees with the OP.Damn, beaten to the punch!
...Punch...cat?
Can anyone geese where this thread will be by page 3?
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Can anyone geese where this thread will be by page 3?
I can take a gander at it.
Can anyone geese where this thread will be by page 3?I can take a gander at it.
I don't know, but I won't budge one whisker.
I don't know, but I won't budge one whisker.Can anyone geese where this thread will be by page 3?I can take a gander at it.
But would you budgie a whisker?
But would you budgie a whisker?I don't know, but I won't budge one whisker.Can anyone geese where this thread will be by page 3?I can take a gander at it.
That's irrelephant.
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Hover bears. /end statement
I prefer drop bears.