What constitutes and Augment? - FAQ request if necessary


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Sczarni

I've been reading up on a lot of Monk/Druid/Whatever(With FCT) combinations lately, and there are people that say that the Augment of a Monk's IUS and/or US carry over in both Damage and, from the Monk Class entry under Unarmed Strike:
"There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes."
thus changing the Natural/Secondary attack into a Primary attack and leaving it with Full Str bonus damage for each attack and with no detriments to subsequent attacks.

I know the Monk's scaling US damage will take precedence over Natural Attack damage with Feral Combat Training if desired. Would the qualities of US or IUS also carry over?

People Agree.
People Disagree.

I'd like to get to the bottom of that, and one other question:

What exactly constitutes as an Augment?

Opinions welcome on all of it!

Liberty's Edge

Augment?
Can you cite what piece of the rules about the monk use that term as I don't get what you are trying to say.

Sczarni

Yes, if you have an increased base unarmed strike damage, you may use that in place of your regular natural attack damage, if you have Feral Combat Training.

I believe it was just put into the FAQ. I'll look for it now...

HERE you go!


Feral Combat Training

Quote:

You were taught a style of martial arts that relies on the natural weapons from your racial ability or class feature.

Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, Weapon Focus with selected natural weapon.

Benefit: Choose one of your natural weapons. While using the selected natural weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike.

Special: If you are a monk, you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.

Sczarni

Does it also make the said Natural attack count as an Unarmed Strike(Primary with no subsequent detriments to attack) as some are claiming?

I know it applies the damage from IUS to the Natural attack. Sorry if what I am asking was sloppy.


No. Feral Combat Training essentially just lets your Flurry with your natural attack. If your Unarmed Strike damage is higher than your natural attack damage you can use that instead. But if you use Flurry it still functions on the same BAB progression (which includes iterative attack penalties). Even if you make regular attacks with you still take iterative attack penalties. Or you could make natural attacks (without using FCT) and make only 1 attack per natural weapon you possess.

Sczarni

That's what I thought. Thanks Claxon! I trust your word as you have been a very reliable source of information everytime I've run into you on the forums!


Kazumetsa Raijin wrote:
That's what I thought. Thanks Claxon! I trust your word as you have been a very reliable source of information everytime I've run into you on the forums!

I try to provide accurate information, but never be afraid to question my responses as I'm often wrong. But I'm glad I can be helpful to you.


Kazumetsa Raijin wrote:

I'd like to get to the bottom of that, and one other question:

What exactly constitutes as an Augment?

Opinions welcome on all of it!

You're not going to get an "exactly". But I think it's fair to assume that it should be interpreted liberally.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

Kazumetsa Raijin wrote:

What exactly constitutes as an Augment?

Opinions welcome on all of it!

My opinion is that I hate FCT and the never ending question of what constitutes an Augment and how that interacts with damage dice.

It is too free form, that results in too many table deviations and I hate table deviations when it isn't the GM saying "I'm going to house rule it this way"

Sczarni

On the plus side, after the ruling that states a Monk's increased damage counts for FCT, I don't think there are any other questions out there.

(even the interaction with Brawling armor has a general consensus, and I remember heated discussions over that at one time, too)

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

Nefreet wrote:
On the plus side, after the ruling that states a Monk's increased damage counts for FCT, I don't think there are any other questions out there.

Really? Because that caused tons of new questions for me. None of them have answers. Which is why I now hate that feat with a passion.

Sczarni

Like what?

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

Nefreet wrote:
Like what?

Been through most of them in the other FCT threads, but the FAQ doesn't address how your increased monk damage effects natural weapons:

1) Does it increase them X steps.
2) Does it replace them with unarmed damage.

Lots of other questions. It is in my mind basically a mess and the FCT should be re-written to not be as liberal and open ended, so it doesn't cause this mess.

I'd detail it more, but I'm off to Vancouver for a week in an hour.

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