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Hi I've heard kingmaker, is great, but i was wondering... is it only in the softback books, or is there a hard back compilation of the ap?


Softback only, and although I am not positive, some of them may be sold out. Check the Paizo store.

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Adventure Path volumes are only available in softcover releases, but unfortunately some of the Kingmaker adventures are no longer available in print (from us—you might be able to find them used somewhere). You can still grab the PDFs here, however. :)


I was hoping they had something like the ror anniversary edition.


It is sad but yea paizo has no copies of #31 and #32 meaning PDF or amazon. FYI the second book is never less than $200 on amazon. i don't like using PDFs so unless I find someone that has the books I will never get to play this amazing campaign... /sad face. I wish paizo would redo this adventure path. I would pay new book price in a heart beat....


Well unfortunately they lose a decent chunk of sales by not making things into compilations. Everyone i know doesn't like paying for those tiny books, pdf or otherwise, but thanks for the help guys.


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I'm sure someone from Paizo will correct me if I'm wrong, but the reasoning is something like this:

If Paizo produced a compilation of every AP, it would reduce the number of people who would purchase the individual volumes. Since they would make less profit on the individual volumes due to smaller sale numbers, they might not be able to afford to produce new APs, which provide a steady revenue stream as opposed to a big hit every 6 months. Taking that step could (hypothetically) kill Paizo as a company.

Further, I believe the cost of individual softcover AP volumes would be less than the cost of a hardcover compilation by a significant margin, so they would have to charge more for them to achieve the same amount of revenue.

So, barring special cases (which the revised RotRL definitely counts as, originally being a D&D adventure and extremely popular and therefore worth updating to the Pathfinder rules, especially as an anniversary release), Paizo are unlikely to offer compilations of the APs.

I can see a case for them deciding to do so when all stocks of a particular AP have been sold (since they don't reprint them), but otherwise it makes no sense for them to do.


What Chemlak said. In short, they lose even more by doing compilations, as what keeps Paizo in business is their monthly subscriptions, and too many people would drop their subscriptions if they knew they just had to wait a bit to get a compilation.

Without the subscription income, Paizo sinks. Nothing more, nothing less.

EDIT: Aha! Found the thread. Why Paizo does not reprint. Straight from Vic Wertz himself.

Jump down to Post #10 for an explanation specifically of why they don't do compilations.


I actually kind of like the PDFs. It does cost me a bit of ink to do it, but I print out the PDF, put it in a binder, and then insert pages with my own notes and custom encounters.

That said, I DO hope that Paizo revisits the notion of POD.

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Actually, if they did a compilation printing and priced it at a higher price point than the individual AP installments total cost ... I jest I jest, of course, as folks would then complain at the $125 price point.


But they do make compliations. Paizo dd the RoR compilation, they also did a couple for old Dragon Magazine AP's under 3.5. They just don't do them anymore and excuse out of it. Personally i don't care if they do or not. i would rather see them put out an ap where each book is set up in the proper order instead of stats for npcs being all over the place and parts of the adventure being out of order.


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Actually, no. It's more like they don't do compilations, except in rare circumstances.

Out of all the APs they've written, starting with Shackled City, they've only done two compilations - the Shackled City one, which I believe was done way back in the Dungeon era, and Rise of the Runelords, which was a special thing for the 10th Anniversary of Pathfinder.

It's an extremely rare exception that may or may not ever happen again. The way you worded it, "They do it but they don't anymore", implies it was a regular occurrence which has since been canceled; this is not nor has it ever been the case. I don't know the circumstances of the Shackled City compilation - that was before my time here - but nothing since then has been compiled save the RotRL Anniversary surprise. Age of Worms and Savage Tide are unfortunately out of Paizo's hands due to copyright complications, and Paizo has been rather blunt and straightforward on ALL other APs besides the one exception of RotRL not being compiled any time soon.

Also what do you mean by "out of order"?

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To add on the Orthos' post, the exceptions are also at a lower price point than the individual issues that make up the content (though less the most of the back matter content for RotR and not other Dungeon content for SC). That does not lend itself to a good business model as folks will hold out for the lower price point.

I still think they should put out compilations for all the APs, though at a somewhat inflated price point. You want it all in one cover, expect to pay for it. A $150 price point would exceed the list cost of the individual volumes by a small amount (~8.75% ... the $125 price point would be ~10% under the list for all 6 AP issues) and the advantage of subscriptions would still be intact. There would even be those of us who are subscribers who would pick up the compilations for ease of use and to have a back up copy of the core adventure content from the AP. A compilation issue is really a niche item within an niche market and should be priced as such.


in some ways kingmaker needs to be reprinted or up dated, as there have been a great deal of rule updates to the game. in our game we are starting our kingmaker over to make use of all the new stuff we have to play with great fun coming


It is far more likely that they will publish a brand-new "kingdom building" AP with the updated rules before reediting and reprinting Kingmaker.


Chuckbab wrote:
It is far more likely that they will publish a brand-new "kingdom building" AP with the updated rules before reediting and reprinting Kingmaker.

I know it will never happen, but I would love for Paizo to reprint Kingmaker with entire chapters dedicated to the mods in this forum.


Here in Italy we have it as a single volume.

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