I've been trying to make a build (calv 3 scout rogue 17) which I've dubbed the stealth charger, and I can't quite find a way to get a finesse lance. Is this possible?
So far the build or the mount relies on Stealthy at first level, third level skill focus stealth, 1 in int at fourth, and then 5th i'd take nightstalker and stealth synergy at 7th, but i can't find a way to get a lance to qualify for weapon finesse
If the lance is tiny and the character is medium, the lance should qualify as light, on the basis that a normal lance is two-handed, and one size change makes it medium, so two make it light. OTOH, you'd get -4 to hit from the wrong size and lose reach and damage, so I doubt you want that.
If the lance is tiny and the character is medium, the lance should qualify as light, on the basis that a normal lance is two-handed, and one size change makes it medium, so two make it light. OTOH, you'd get -4 to hit from the wrong size and lose reach and damage, so I doubt you want that.
Nah I'm looking specifically to hide and then pop out and charge.
another option would be to use another stat for stealth, though the only viable way i've seen was a 2 dip in inquisitor for double wis to stealth then using a guided weapon. This however is also kind of odd to me and it takes more levels from rogue (Or ninja)
Theres no way I know of to finese a lance.
Why not just be a strength rogue and forget about dex in the first place. You'll only lose evasion by wearing heavy armor, which is unfortunate but not the end of the world.
You could also combine skulking slayer half-orc archetype as well as the scout archetype. You'll have heavy armor and full martial weapon access from being a cavalier.
I've gotta say, I'm having a lot of trouble visualising an silent, charging lance jouster who's using agility to strike rather than brute strength.
I have to agree here. Why is it that you're wanting to stealth with a lance charge exactly? Are you looking to get Sneak Attack damage with it? If so... there are far better ways of stacking damage that will increase with your charge (Precision damage doesn't double with a crit).
Plus, the sound of a warhorse in full charge cannot be stealthed... the only way to feasible hide that sound would be with a Silence spell or effect.
Now if you're looking to remain hidden to set up a charge... then I would suggest looking into camouflage, using concealment with the natural surroundings. Just something to think about.
I've gotta say, I'm having a lot of trouble visualising an silent, charging lance jouster who's using agility to strike rather than brute strength.I have to agree here. Why is it that you're wanting to stealth with a lance charge exactly? Are you looking to get Sneak Attack damage with it? If so... there are far better ways of stacking damage that will increase with your charge (Precision damage doesn't double with a crit).
Plus, the sound of a warhorse in full charge cannot be stealthed... the only way to feasible hide that sound would be with a Silence spell or effect.
Now if you're looking to remain hidden to set up a charge... then I would suggest looking into camouflage, using concealment with the natural surroundings. Just something to think about.
The idea is how amusing it is to me, I can actually make a stealthy warhorse... right up to the Shadow barding.
Heck I could be an orc and have a stealthy triceratops.
The idea is to be befuddling with the fact that.. creatures will have problems seeing this thing.
IE Core concept, highest stealth mod possible.
But the main question was: Can I get finesse on a lance in any possible legal way?
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There is one (kind of) legal way to accomplish this: Swashbuckler Finesse.
Since you can wield it one-handed when you're riding your mount, then technically you could use this benefit. Keep in mind that this ability is playtest material, and as such it's subject to your GM's call.
There is one (kind of) legal way to accomplish this: Swashbuckler Finesse.
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Since you can wield it one-handed when you're riding your mount, then technically you could use this benefit. Keep in mind that this ability is playtest material, and as such it's subject to your GM's call.
A Lance is a two handed weapon even if it can be used in one hand, there was a FAQ about that i think.
The size of weapons is not relative. A tiny two handed weapon is still a two handed weapon, and cannot be used with weapon finesse. I imagine the same would go for the Titan Maluer Swashbuckler, but those rules are still being play tested, and so can't be adequately compared to the existing rules.
As far as I know, there is no way (using core rules) to use weapon finesse with a lance. Even if you could, charging imposes such massive penalties to stealth, you probably won't be getting sneak attack, no matter how many feats you sink into stealth.
Horses (or triceratopses) just aren't meant to be stealthy. Tyrannosaurs on the other hand (according to Order of the Stick) can be.