Globe of Invulnerability vs. Create Pit type spells


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Liberty's Edge

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Would a Globe of Invulnerability prevent a Create Pit spell or similar spell of 4th level or lower from functioning against a target?

Thanks!
-Rodney


Yes it prevents such spells from working against the target.

Quote:
The area or effect of any such spells does not include the area of the lesser globe of invulnerability. Such spells fail to affect any target located within the globe.


That the pit will not appear under you is clear - but what if you're on the edge of your globe, and the pit appears adjacent to you, but outside the sphere? The effects of the pit include sloping sides that make everyone adjacent to them save on their turn...

Also, if your globe runs out before the pit, does a pit appear there, and you drop into it?

Grand Lodge

CRB wrote wrote:
the pit has no weight and does not otherwise displace the original underlying material.

Using the quote that concerro used-

Can we assume that anything outside the area of the globe are pit?
The pit would begin affecting a character as normal if the pit outlasted globe.


Yeah, if the pit outlast the globe then you are in trouble. :)

Liberty's Edge

My intellect devourer infestation thanks you for your sage wisdom. Now they know how to use their 3x per day Globe of Invulnerability against the party that is trying to cleanse them tomorrow!


keep in mind that Create pit is an extra dimensional space created by magic. The Globe would suppress the magic of the pit and prevent it from existing where the Globe is, until the Globe runs out.

Globe runs out, suppression effect is over, pit pops back into existence

Now here is a tricky one.
Create Pit
Someone falls in the pit
Then you pop Globe with the pit inside the radius of the globe.

what happens to the guy in the pit?

Grand Lodge

Looking at the rules for experimental spaces-
Would the character not be expelled to the level of the existing material?


Greylurker wrote:

keep in mind that Create pit is an extra dimensional space created by magic. The Globe would suppress the magic of the pit and prevent it from existing where the Globe is, until the Globe runs out.

Globe runs out, suppression effect is over, pit pops back into existence

Now here is a tricky one.
Create Pit
Someone falls in the pit
Then you pop Globe with the pit inside the radius of the globe.

what happens to the guy in the pit?

and

Corbin Dallas wrote:

Looking at the rules for experimental spaces-

Would the character not be expelled to the level of the existing material?

Corbin Dallas answers Greylurker's question; that is exactly what happens, and then he is in a Globe of Invulnerability

my question is what if a wall of iron is dropped on a Pit, then the pit ends, or suppressed?

Liberty's Edge

Are you talking about sealing the top of the pit with a wall of iron? If so, then the GM would probably have to adjudicate some amount of damage done when reality rises up and squeezes the victim in the pit against the wall of iron. As a GM I would not have it be an auto squish like coming through an SG-1 Stargate and running into the iris.....


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There are no rules for that but I would use the teleportation rules and put them in the nearest open square.


redrodney65 wrote:
auto squish like coming through an SG-1 Stargate and running into the iris....

lol! i and my dm love that show!

but i think i'll have to go with wraithstrike on this...


Meld into Stone wrote:
"...expels you and deals you 5d6 points of damage..."

that's the best i can find.

thank guys, sorry for the derail...

Liberty's Edge

It's a good derail. Tangents are the spice of life!

Grand Lodge

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At least we answered the main questions before we went for a ride. Heh.

Liberty's Edge

Okay, clarifying followup question. If my intellect devourer has been dropped into a pit created by magic and THEN brings up its Globe of Invulnerability, does it get expelled from the pit? Cuz that will cause all kinds of mischief for the party today!
-Rodney

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Expelled or buried alive.

Of the two, expelled, seems more reasonable.

Grand Lodge

I agree. Expelled into the nearest legal square.

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