How can one gain access to hexes?
1) Be a Which
2) Hexblade Archetype of Magus
3) any more exist?
Thanks!!!
bump for ideas
There's the Hellion a 3pp class with hexes.
also Sorcerer w/ Accursed Bloodline
any others? i guess 3pp is ok as suggestions too. Trying to keep options open...
Well, given the title, I imagine that you are interested in how to get the Coven ability, rather than Hexes in general?
Accursed Sorcerer
Witch
Hexblade Magus
Cabalist Magus with Accursed bloodline (3pp)
hopefully, the upcoming Arcanist and Bloodrager will have the Accursed bloodline option (the description of both include having a bloodline)**
Similarly, the Shaman might be able to, since it is Oracle/Witch**
The Blood Hag is an official cohort option (Bestiary 4, level 16 I think), to meet the "must have 1 Hag" requirement
I wish the Changeling race mentioned forming a Coven, since they are half-hag
The Hedge Witch class mentions forming covens, but gives no rules (and doesn't have anything like the Coven ability), so it may just be referring to a group of allied witches as "coven"
Note, Hellion specifically bars the class from taking the Coven hex
**Playtest releases today, so we should be able to check it out
the upcoming shaman hybrid class for the advanced class guide playtest (starting on the 19th--today!) is an oracle/witch mashup, so it likely gets hexes as well.
EDIT: also, to be honest from the name i thought this thread was going to in a WAY different direction than it is.
well, so after looking at the playtest, none of the new classes can join Covens.
The Arcanist doesn't get Bloodline Arcana, so even if it chooses Accursed it won't work.
Bloodrager Bloodlines work differently than Sorcerer Bloodlines.
And Shaman has to choose Hexes from those listed in their Spirit, but they aren't the same as Witch Hexes, so Coven isn't an option.
Still left with Witch, Hexblade, and Cabalist.
As for making a TRUE coven (as apposed to using the +! caster level part), i believe Simulacrum would work... And then they'd do whatever you wanted too...
Simulacrum creates an illusory duplicate of any creature. The duplicate creature is partially real and formed from ice or snow. It appears to be the same as the original, but it has only half of the real creature's levels or HD (and the appropriate hit points, feats, skill ranks, and special abilities for a creature of that level or HD).
emphasis by me: I believe this can be interpreted that way. Though not a concern for us anyway...
EDIT: also, to be honest from the name i thought this thread was going to in a WAY different direction than it is.
Care to elaborate?
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That's not a bad idea, a Simulacrum of a Hag may still count as a Hag for purposes of completing a coven.
I asked this, and got this additional response: Hex Lord (3pp). I looked in the SRD, but did not see the "Extra Ascendancy" feat mentioned.
/cevah
also Sorcerer w/ Accursed Bloodline
Maybe I misreading, but the Accursed bllodline doesn't get you hexes. It let you count as an hag to join a coven, but that's all. It doesn't get hexes. Obviously, if you specifically looking for coven hex, well. Hags can join covens :)
5. Would a simulacrum of a hag be able to join a Hag Coven ? or a coven composed entirely of simulacrum hags ?
Question #5
James Jacobs - 5) No. Because when you join a coven, you gain power. Simulacrums cannot gain power..
I disagree. The coven states:
Whenever all three hags of a particular coven are within 10 feet of one another, all three of them can work together to use any of the following spell-like abilities: animate dead, baleful polymorph (DC 18), blight (DC 17), bestow curse (DC 17), clairaudience/clairvoyance, charm monster (DC 17), commune, control weather, dream, forcecage, mind blank, mirage arcana (DC 18), reincarnate, speak with dead, veil (DC 19), vision.
All three hags must take a full-round action to take part in this form of cooperative magic. All coven spell-like abilities function at CL 9th (or at the highest CL available to the most powerful hag in the coven). The save DCs are Charisma-based, and function as if with a Charisma score of 16 unless one of the hags has a higher Charisma score, in which case the spell-like ability DCs are adjusted by that hag's Charisma modifier.
At the GM's discretion, certain more powerful hag covens might have additional spell-like abilities.
The coven is cooperative magic, with each hag essentially aiding another to allow the coven to cast more powerful spells. Does cooperative magic count as an individual gaining abilities? All hags already have the ability of cooperative magic. They also have the abilities mentioned for the better spells. The simulacrum is not gaining something the hag does not already have.
Basically, all hags already have the ability to cast coven spells, but just need some assistance to do it.
/cevah
By the power of Necro!!!
So the revision of the ACG has changed the interaction of Arcanist with bloodlines. Now, they can choose a bloodline as an exploit, gaining both the arcana and 1st level bloodline ability.
So choosing Accursed bloodline will give you the coven ability.
Bloodrager and Shaman, sadly, still don't work.
So, for potential coven members, we have...
Witch with Coven hex
Hexcrafter Magus with Coven hex
Accursed bloodline Sorcerer
Accursed bloodline Arcanist
Cabalist Magus with Accursed bloodline (3pp)
Blood Hag cohort
