Paladins of Abadar


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Grand Lodge

I had a player a few months ago saying that his Paladin was LN because he was a Paladin of Abadar. Is this correct?


No. Paladins are LG. They can champion LN or NG deities, but are always LG (barring houserules).

Silver Crusade

Abadar is LN, but his paladins are LG. They are within one step of his alignment as is required.

Edit: Faiths of Balance, p. 27 has a sidebar with the creed his paladins follow.

Silver Crusade

Absolutely not correct. Players can have characters who walk the line between LN and LG, but paladins are always LG.

This coming from someone who had 3 Paladins of Abadar, and a cleric of Abadar, in Society play.

Grand Lodge

Sweet, I never checked so I assumed that they were LN. Years back, I've seen CG Paladins of Cuiracaen in Birthright, so it seemed like a feasible possibility.


A paladin of abadar might be a little more L than G but they are still LG.

Sczarni

It also may have been someone roleplaying as a Paladin who perhaps was really just a Cleric or Inquisitor. I'm drafting up ideas for an Inquisitor of Irori (who doesn't allow Paladins) and will roleplay him as a Paladin. Giving him Heavy Armor Proficiency at 1st level and a Masterwork Glaive (via a Convention boon) to fit the image.

Silver Crusade

Nefreet wrote:
It also may have been someone roleplaying as a Paladin who perhaps was really just a Cleric or Inquisitor. I'm drafting up ideas for an Inquisitor of Irori (who doesn't allow Paladins) and will roleplay him as a Paladin. Giving him Heavy Armor Proficiency at 1st level and a Masterwork Glaive (via a Convention boon) to fit the image.

He actually does, I think. Check out the Champion of Irori prestige class. Requires you to have monk levels, paladin levels, and worship Irori. Its a cool class, I kinda want to run one.

Sczarni

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That's... interesting. In Faiths of Balance it states that Abadar is the only neutrally aligned deity that accepts Paladins.

Grand Lodge

I recall a paladin of Irori in at least one scenario.

Spoiler:
2-16 The Flesh Collector

Liberty's Edge

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What is the warcry of a paladin of Abadar?

Answer:
Charge!!!

Grand Lodge

Page 9-10 of that scenario, yup a Paladin of Irori.

Grand Lodge

Perhaps this will be addressed in Inner Sea Gods...

Grand Lodge

It would be nice if the Paladins of Abadar were LN, it would definitively give a new way of looking at the class.


Nefreet wrote:
That's... interesting. In Faiths of Balance it states that Abadar is the only neutrally aligned deity that accepts Paladins.

It states that Abadar is the only neutrally aligned deity that has an order of paladins. It says nothing about non-structured lone paladins. Irori is more about self perfection, so it makes some sense they'd be more individualized.

There is also the prestige class in Paths of Prestige that is pretty much written for a paladin/monk of Irori.

Dark Archive

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My 1st PC was a paladin of Abadar.

I ended up having him dip a couple levels of bard [allowed him to broaden his skill set].

The jaunty tune he'd sing, to bolster his traveling companions, went something like this...

There's nothing wrong with reasonable taxes.
They keep the City clean & bright.
They pay the guards that keep the peace
and keep the streetlamps lit at night.

Pay your share & you're a winner.
Avoiding them makes you a sinner.

Had more than one Chaotic PC refuse the benefits of his bard song.
Just no pleasing some people, I suppose.

Grand Lodge

Actually, I'd like to see LN Paladins of Pharasma and Abadar. Especially Pharasma. Please let there be Paladins of Pharasma in Inner Sea Gods, please.


Eric Saxon wrote:
Actually, I'd like to see LN Paladins of Pharasma and Abadar. Especially Pharasma. Please let there be Paladins of Pharasma in Inner Sea Gods, please.

She's True Neutral, so she'd be 2 steps away from the LG requirement for a paladin. The stance thus far is no, so I wouldn't hold my breath to be honest.

Liberty's Edge

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Being LG is a very big part of the flavor of the Paladin. For me, it makes no sense to have paladins of different alignments.

Dark Archive

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Paladinosaur wrote:

Being LG is a very big part of the flavor of the Paladin. For me, it makes no sense to have paladins of different alignments.

I call those 'Inquisitors'.


Interestingly enough, there is nothing in the class write-up which requires worship of a specific deity, unlike the requirement that they be LG. Therefore, a Paladin who worships Pharasma is entirely possible. It is probable that this Paladin would focus on her distaste for Undeath, hence an Oathbound Paladin, Oath against Undead would be all but required I suspect.

The advantage/intent of the Paladin Orders/Codes as I see it is that it provides more of a framework for the player & GM for what is & is not acceptable behavior for the character. I.E.: If your behavior seems to fit what the Code espouses then you probably are 'doing it right'.

Shadow Lodge

PFS requires paladins to worship one deity, which must be within one alignment step of LG.


Mystic Lemur wrote:
PFS requires paladins to worship one deity, which must be within one alignment step of LG.

Acknowledged, however this is not a PFS thread. We are also wandering far afield from the OP, so I'm going to leave it at that.


Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
Mystic Lemur wrote:
PFS requires paladins to worship one deity, which must be within one alignment step of LG.
Acknowledged, however this is not a PFS thread. We are also wandering far afield from the OP, so I'm going to leave it at that.

It started as a PFS thread, and wasn't moved until shortly after my previous post...so the OP was inquiring of how PFS would handle it.

Sczarni

Ermm... why was this moved?

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Eric Saxon wrote:
Sweet, I never checked so I assumed that they were LN. Years back, I've seen CG Paladins of Cuiracaen in Birthright, so it seemed like a feasible possibility.

Indeed, I played a Paladin of the Stormlord, and he was a load of fun!!!

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Nefreet wrote:
That's... interesting. In Faiths of Balance it states that Abadar is the only neutrally aligned deity that accepts Paladins.

Technically it states that Abadar is the only one of the major neutral gods that supports an order of Paladins. Clearly that doesn't prohibit there being onesy and twosy Paladins of other LN gods, with Irori being an obvious canonical example.

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