John, I think it's been said that since 20th Century Fox owns the license to the X-Men, they also hold the only license to the term 'mutant' and are not permitting any other companies to use the term. That's why Quicksliver and Scarlet Witch are Inhumans in the upcoming Avengers/Ultron film.
Yes they are not mutants...but that does not mean they are Inhumans either. It seems to me that they gained their powers by Hydra experimenting on them with the gem(a infinity stone) in Loki's scepter/spear.
You might be right they could be Inhumans...I just did not hear Marvel officially saying so officially and wondering id they did say so.
Yep...there is absolutely no reason to assume Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are Inhumans. In fact the evidence we have so far says they are NOT.
They are definitely building the inhumans up to fill the "mutant" niche, both on the show and currently in the comics.
Confirming what was previously revealed by Stan Lee, Feige said that the studio is indeed playing around with the idea of bringing the Inhumans into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but that the the brother-sister superpowered duo won't be their way in
They won't be inhumans that much has been revealed.
Actually quicksilver is (also) an inhuman in the comics.
Only by marriage.
If I remember correctly he exposed himself to the terrigen mists after losing his power in House of M.Actually quicksilver is (also) an inhuman in the comics.Only by marriage.
You might be right...actually you probably are right I stopped reading Comics waaay before that.
...I mean that would be crazy if in the MCU HYDRA wouldn't be it's usual foolish selves, let alone be the next step in humankind's evolution without assist from gods or aliens... :P
Actually, they do have an assist from a god. Baron Wolfgang von Strucker has Loki's spear.
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** spoiler omitted **It's hard to say how much of that could just be bad writing, like the whole real-SHIELD argument about all the secrecy being bad and wanting more transparency despite being absolutely *more* secretive and *less* transparent than Coulson's SHIELD.
Every single thing they say is pretty much 100% in opposition to every single thing they DO. They are pretty much following the Hydra playbook, for that matter, it's bizarre that Olmos/Gonzalez would think that May, or *anyone,* would believe a word he's saying, since it's just flat out 180 degrees from to what his organization is actually doing.
"I would never shoot someone in the face."
"You literally just shot me in the face."
"But we are completely opposed to that sort of thing, which Coulson does all the time."
"Coulson has never shot me in the face. And you just did. Are you from some sort of Bizarro universe?"It feels like really inconsistent writing (like Coulson's existence being a 'level seven' secret, that he blabs to every single person they meet in the first season), and not some sort of, 'Ha ha, they were Hydra all along, and half of them didn't know it!'
I'm pretty sure when OtherShield are talking about transparency they don't mean between the organization and the wider world, they mean within the organization. Fury was a serious schemer - plots withing plots, wheels within wheels, and absolutely nobody except for him knew the whole picture. This approach did make Shield pretty resilient - nobody, including Hydra, knew enough to bring the whole thing down. On the other hand, it did allow Hydra to thrive, abuse the secretive nature of the organization and eventually deliver a devastating blow to it.
It is entirely possible from what we have seen that OtherShield is not like that. Mexican Garry Oldman seems to be very open about his plans, and confides freely in just about everyone. I only assume that since there's a council rather than a director, the leadership decisions are more public than they have been under Fury and possibly more than they have been under Coulson.
Where this Shield is at fault, from what I understand, is being overly paranoid about following Fury's footsteps. So instead of focusing their energies on opposing Hydra and making the world a safer place against the many forces that are known to be actively hostile and extremely dangerous, they focus on reigning in Coulson and conducting a witch hunt for super powered people with the idea to neutralize them rather than trying to use them like Fury did.
Whatever did happen to the international council that controlled SHIELD? I can assume since they had enough clout to give SHIELD authority in every nation that they wouldn't just go to prison when the organization was betrayed. If anyone could remake a legitimate SHIELD it would be those people... the ones who hired Fury in the first place.
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Whatever did happen to the international council that controlled SHIELD? I can assume since they had enough clout to give SHIELD authority in every nation that they wouldn't just go to prison when the organization was betrayed. If anyone could remake a legitimate SHIELD it would be those people... the ones who hired Fury in the first place.
I'm pretty sure they died in CA 2, at least all of them except the woman that Black Widow was camouflaged as. No idea what's up with her, but it is reasonable enough to assume she died in the coup.
They died in the end there, when Pierce revealed his treachery and delivered electrical shocks through tags that he gave them earlier.
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I'm pretty sure they died in CA 2, at least all of them except the woman that Black Widow was camouflaged as. No idea what's up with her, but it is reasonable enough to assume she died in the coup.
They died in the end there, when Pierce revealed his treachery and delivered electrical shocks through tags that he gave them earlier.
Bah, that's just the three that showed up to Pierce's meeting. We know from the Avengers movie that there were at least five of them, and one had the voice of Powers Boothe. :)
I'm pretty sure they died in CA 2, at least all of them except the woman that Black Widow was camouflaged as. No idea what's up with her, but it is reasonable enough to assume she died in the coup.
They died in the end there, when Pierce revealed his treachery and delivered electrical shocks through tags that he gave them earlier.
Bah, that's just the three that showed up to Pierce's meeting. We know from the Avengers movie that there were at least five of them, and one had the voice of Powers Boothe. :)
I assumed Powers Booth was Pierce's predecessor, who was probably fired after the whole "Lets nuke NYC" decision.
I'm pretty sure when OtherShield are talking about transparency they don't mean between the organization and the wider world, they mean within the organization.** spoiler omitted **It's hard to say how much of that could just be bad writing, like the whole real-SHIELD argument about all the secrecy being bad and wanting more transparency despite being absolutely *more* secretive and *less* transparent than Coulson's SHIELD.
Every single thing they say is pretty much 100% in opposition to every single thing they DO. They are pretty much following the Hydra playbook, for that matter, it's bizarre that Olmos/Gonzalez would think that May, or *anyone,* would believe a word he's saying, since it's just flat out 180 degrees from to what his organization is actually doing.
"I would never shoot someone in the face."
"You literally just shot me in the face."
"But we are completely opposed to that sort of thing, which Coulson does all the time."
"Coulson has never shot me in the face. And you just did. Are you from some sort of Bizarro universe?"It feels like really inconsistent writing (like Coulson's existence being a 'level seven' secret, that he blabs to every single person they meet in the first season), and not some sort of, 'Ha ha, they were Hydra all along, and half of them didn't know it!'
Except that's not the case, either. Set is exactly right.
OtherShield seems to be filled with fantastically stupid people. When Gonzalez is blabbing away to Bobbi about how Skye nearly killed 7 Shield agents and she points out that they tried to shoot her first, he starts blabbing on about doing so because she's "dangerous" was a conversation mired in lunacy. Running away is "dangerous"? Running away from a surprise incursion by military-spec'd strangers? Uh huh.
Why Bobbi didn't say: "Dude. I was right there" is beyond me. [Hyperbole]
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When Gonzalez is blabbing away to Bobbi about how Skye nearly killed 7 Shield agents and she points out that they tried to shoot her first, he starts blabbing on about doing so because she's "dangerous" was a conversation mired in lunacy. Running away is "dangerous"? Running away from a surprise incursion by military-spec'd strangers? Uh huh.
If these shows weren't shot so far in advance, I'd suspect that this was ripped right from the headlines.
'The unarmed person running away from me made me fear for my life, your honor! I had to shoot her in the back for my peace of mind!'
I do kind of think that agent shoots-first (who I remember as Charlie Francis from Fringe, more than this show, so far) might be Hydra. There's incompetent, and then there's enemy action, and he's already beaten his quota of 'mistakes that just happen to work against our goals.'
Gonzalez, on the other hand, just seems to be that old trope, 'old fogey leader who always makes the *exact* wrong choice, so that the young pretty subordinates have to heroically buck authority to do the right thing.'
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OtherShield seems to be filled with fantastically stupid people. When Gonzalez is blabbing away to Bobbi about how Skye nearly killed 7 Shield agents and she points out that they tried to shoot her first, he starts blabbing on about doing so because she's "dangerous" was a conversation mired in lunacy. Running away is "dangerous"? Running away from a surprise incursion by military-spec'd strangers? Uh huh.
You say stupid, I say fanatical. Just the same way people in the real world manage to convince themselves the entire world could be in danger if people of the same sex could marry, so could OtherShield convince themselves that superpowered people are dangerous, never matter what the facts are.
I am convinced we have enough evidence to understand that OtherShield are fanatical about doing things differently from Fury, and that means eliminating super powers rather than studying and using them. That seems a better explanation than "stupid", especially since at least in the MCU, those people are supposed to be incredibly competent.
I wonder if anyone on Gonzales' team ever told Steve Rogers that Fury was making the wrong call for using him?
Unlikely.
Remember, as we saw in the flashback scenes, before the battle with Hydra none of the "real S.H.I.E.L.D." members were questioning Fury's orders.
That seems a better explanation than "stupid", especially since at least in the MCU, those people are supposed to be incredibly competent.
*shrug*
At this moment in time, I am unwilling or unable to make the distinction.
(Actually, my "explanation" is bad writing.)
Gonzales's attitude seems to be "Anything I can't personally control -- a cube of information, another S.H.I.E.L.D. faction, superpowered individuals -- is automatically dangerous and must be brought to heel."
In another character, you might say that was motivation from fear, but that would be inconsistent with Gonzales's backstory, so for him it must be motivation from distrust. He can't get past being suspicious of everyone; not entirely unreasonable given the whole HYDRA infiltration, but still...if he can't trust anyone or anything he can't control, his logical evolution over time is to become what he says Fury was, playing things closer and closer to the vest until he becomes the Keeper of Secrets.
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Gonzales's attitude seems to be "Anything I can't personally control -- a cube of information, another S.H.I.E.L.D. faction, superpowered individuals -- is automatically dangerous and must be brought to heel."
In another character, you might say that was motivation from fear, but that would be inconsistent with Gonzales's backstory, so for him it must be motivation from distrust. He can't get past being suspicious of everyone; not entirely unreasonable given the whole HYDRA infiltration, but still...if he can't trust anyone or anything he can't control, his logical evolution over time is to become what he says Fury was, playing things closer and closer to the vest until he becomes the Keeper of Secrets.
I wonder if Fury went through that kind of evolution himself.
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Loved tonight's episode. Anybody else picked up on the irony of Raina's powers?
Great episode.
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I'm trying to figure out how it fits a theme. Maybe its supposed to be a vodoo thing? Puffer fish poison is supposed to be one of the things that causes vodoo zombies and trances.
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An interesting episode....
Until a couple folks mentioned it here, the whole "obsession with the Clairvoyant/now she has clairvoyant abilities" thing didn't hit me. Interesting....
I wonder if they are leaning towards some kind of deal where inhumans can somehow influence what kind of gifts they receive? With Skye, she's always been on the move, and just when things would seem to get settled, something would come along to shake things up.....
Might be a huge stretch, but, who knows.....
It certainly did sound like Coulson has some kind of major construction process going on. I'm thinking, maybe, new Helicarrier? Considering how the last three went down, that's certainly something you'd want to keep pretty well hidden.....
The May background story was awesome. Although it didn't take me long to see that the little girl was the bad guy (along with the inevitable May has to kill her and gets really emotionally messed up), I was still surprised when they tied that in to the whole Inhumans/Terrigen Mist exposure thing. Very creative.
GO FITZ!!!
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Ah yes, wanted to comment on May's story as well. I liked it. Action packed, sufficiently emotionally crippling to believe her trauma, and a believable way for her to essentially become a small time SHIELD legend. AND they managed to fit into an episode where a LOT of other things are going on.
Come to think of it, the show is juggling a LOT of stories at the same time now - each episode deals with two or three of them and then sets up a cliffhangar by showing a glimpse of another. Rather impressive, really, that us viewers don't feel lost in the mix.
I think this second half of the second season is really strong. I honestly can't say that I know where the story is headed.
I assumed Powers Booth was Pierce's predecessor, who was probably fired after the whole "Lets nuke NYC" decision.I'm pretty sure they died in CA 2, at least all of them except the woman that Black Widow was camouflaged as. No idea what's up with her, but it is reasonable enough to assume she died in the coup.
They died in the end there, when Pierce revealed his treachery and delivered electrical shocks through tags that he gave them earlier.
Bah, that's just the three that showed up to Pierce's meeting. We know from the Avengers movie that there were at least five of them, and one had the voice of Powers Boothe. :)
I think that you probably hit the nail right on the head with this one.
Pierce: If this council goes to rancor every time someone pushes us on the playing field then maybe we need someone to oversee US...
In THE AVENGERS, Fury addresses four members of the World Council but in WINTER SOLDIER there are FIVE (four and Pierce).
Of the original World Council Members in the Avengers only Jenny Agutter reprises her role in Winter Soldier. Aside from Powers Boothe the other two members were somewhat in shadow but look close enough to their replacements Chin Han and Bernard White. I wonder if Alan Dale is replacing Powers Boothe and Redford's Pierce was added to the council after the Battle of NY to provide additional over-site to Fury and Shield.
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That same revaluation is going to destroy Afterlife.
So I am not the only one who thought of Hyde as a Alchemist(vivisectionist):)
Great episode, as has been the norm, I can't wait to see who the big bad of the season will be.
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I don't think we have an official word, but tonight's does not appear to (4/21). If the interactions with Cap 2 or Thor 2 can be used as guidelines, we might see some kind of set-up next week (4/28) and then the week after (5/5) will have the fallout.
Ah, yeah, it appears I spoofed a bit. In my country Avengers 2 comes out in a couple of says so I figured this week's episode might very well be tied to it, but it appears that the movie will only hit theaters in the U.S in another week. So it makes sense that the show this week should be safe from spoilers.
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Is anyone else really digging the new slant on Sky's dad as less evil and more just a mentally unstable man prone to losing his lucidity ala Ice King?
It makes him so much more compelling as this dude who does really love his family and is or was good but thanks to what's happened to him he can't keep himself straight and can't really understand what's going on. Makes the idea of them trying to stop him nonviolently make way more sense.
Tragic villains tend to be the best ones.
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Not bad...
It looks like Hydra has captured Deathlok. This I do not like. I prefer him as a good guy, but now they'll probably reprogram him, or something.
Fitz was ready to tear into Ward. He would have probably gotten his ass kicked, but it's the thought that counts.
I have to wonder if May isn't playing the long con against Other SHIELD. She's certainly got the stones to make the hard decisions that might come with a deep cover.
I'm warming up to Bobbi again, even though she betrayed Coulson. Mack, not so much.
Not bad...
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It looks like next week Coulson joins forces with Other Shield to assault a Hydra base, so I am guessing Dethlok and Lincoln will get rescued. I wonder though if the Inhumans will join forces thanks to Hydra abducting them? Although I could see next week's mission going south and requiring later Inhuman support, especially this far from the season finale.
I also like Deathlok as a good guy.
I also liked the green serum in Cal's drawer. I would love to see a flashback for him were/when/how he got/made his "Hyde juice".
Is anyone else really digging the new slant on Sky's dad as less evil and more just a mentally unstable man prone to losing his lucidity ala Ice King?
It makes him so much more compelling as this dude who does really love his family and is or was good but thanks to what's happened to him he can't keep himself straight and can't really understand what's going on. Makes the idea of them trying to stop him nonviolently make way more sense.
I'm actually getting REALLY tired of seeing Cal. There has been so much teasing and easter eggs that only the die-hard fans are seeing... but zero payoff.
There's been a number of times where he SHOULD have Hyded out and brought the hurt to people.... and a few demolished rooms that indicate that he DID just that, but they haven't shown us anything.
I'm beginning to think they never will. All the wink wink nudge nudge he's really that Hyde guy from the comics... just isn't enough in a show like this.
Either show us why we SHOULD be concerned about crazy protective Dad... or write him out and get back to the Hydra plot and push Sky's story back for a while. I'm more interested in what Coulson's been up to than seeing them introduce the 'not-mutants'.
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I'm actually getting REALLY tired of seeing Cal. There has been so much teasing and easter eggs that only the die-hard fans are seeing... but zero payoff.
There's been a number of times where he SHOULD have Hyded out and brought the hurt to people.... and a few demolished rooms that indicate that he DID just that, but they haven't shown us anything.
I have also been waiting to see him start flinging people around and punching them through walls the way Sif does when she's visiting.
He really hasn't displayed anything special at all, other than anger-management issues. None of the damage he's done couldn't have been done by a hyperactive 12 year old, and he hasn't been any more impressive in fights than Coulson. (And notably *less* impressive than Bobbi or May.)
I'm nostalgically fond of the actor, but this role is boring.
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I'm beginning to wonder if the Mr. Hyde character is tied up in one of those licensing deals with Fox or Sony. That might be why they've only ever (as far as I can recollect) referred to him as Cal (never Calvin Zabo, or Mr. Hyde), with little hints as to who he really is.
Still, might as well include me in the mix as someone who wants to see him get his full Hyde on and start throwing people around. I mean, come on, this is someone who has fought the Hulk!
Yeah I would like to see Cal go full Mr.Hyde...it would have been nice to see him grab one of those vials of green serum in his desk...