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Kalshane wrote:
Russ Taylor wrote:

Wished they'd not done something as silly as the one woman with the hands, who could have been depowered far more easily than they did.

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah, she was really silly. She looked like they were attached with super glue and my thought was "Wait, you rig up this incredibly complicated contraption to keep her from harming people, when all you'd need is a metal saw or even just a file to blunt them."

... and without some bionics or such to enhance her strength, is she really a metahuman?

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... or, you know, surgically remove them, same way they were implanted.

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Maybe Hydra pulled strings to keep her available, in case they needed to open a bunch of mail.

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or shred a bunch of documents


I recognized Angar, but were any of the other villains supposed to be recognized? Strong and dumb kind of reminded me of Ox... but not sure if they were going there or not...


Another great episode, too bad teleporting guy took the doctor out of the fray so early though.

I wonder why he didn't take Skye, is it because she still looks human or that even they feel she is too dangerous.

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I suspect it has more to do with Raina (and maybe Skye's mom) than Skye herself.


Dragon78 wrote:

Another great episode, too bad teleporting guy took the doctor out of the fray so early though.

I wonder why he didn't take Skye, is it because she still looks human or that even they feel she is too dangerous.

Possibly because at the moment she is still loyal to SHIELD. If they brought her to the court of the Inhumans she might turn them in. They probably recognize that she enevitably feel betrayed by her friends and will wait till that moment to pick her up.

In fact they really just have to wait for Coulson's operation to fall apart and they can swoop in and gather Skye up when she is picking up the pieces of her life.

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Dragon78 wrote:

.....too bad teleporting guy took the doctor out of the fray so early though.

Yeah, we really haven't been given a chance to see him go full on Mr. Hyde on anybody yet. There've been some snippets. I want to see a full blown breakout of old-fashioned, superhero/supervillain fisticuffs.


phantom1592 wrote:

I recognized Angar, but were any of the other villains supposed to be recognized? Strong and dumb kind of reminded me of Ox... but not sure if they were going there or not...

The woman with the razor blade nails shares the same name as a (non super-powered) abuse victim Daredevil once helped.

The other two are I think are invented for the show.

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The chick with nails was indeed a bit lame. A little surgery, and she's normal again. Fun to see May fight the super-strong dude, something she's becoming something of a specialist at.

Getting a little bored with blind dude teleporting in and nabbing people (and his 'no eyes' mask looks kind of terrible).


Well the doctor did say he was still perfecting the formula so maybe he can't go full Mr. Hyde yet.


Kalshane wrote:
Russ Taylor wrote:

Wished they'd not done something as silly as the one woman with the hands, who could have been depowered far more easily than they did.

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah, she was really silly. She looked like they were attached with super glue and my thought was "Wait, you rig up this incredibly complicated contraption to keep her from harming people, when all you'd need is a metal saw or even just a file to blunt them."

Yeah, her razor nails were incredibly lame, and she made S.H.I.E.L.D. docs look like morons for making her wear metal thimbles. She wasn't even up to being a Dollar Store knock-off of Molly Millions.

So, is this whole season going to be the writers introducing "supporting" characters played by guest stars (Lucy Lawless, Fred Dryer, Drea de Matteo, Blair Underwood) who get wacked/written-out in the same episode? Other than Underwood's Dr. Garner, they've all been examples of stunt-casting for underwhelming characters. And that's really undercutting any excitement I might have for Edward James Olmos upcoming appearance.


Dragon78 wrote:
Well the doctor did say he was still perfecting the formula so maybe he can't go full Mr. Hyde yet.

I'm really hoping that they're just pinching their budget pennies now, so we can get a full-on Hyde transformation and (brief) rampage later this season.

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Kalshane wrote:
Russ Taylor wrote:

Wished they'd not done something as silly as the one woman with the hands, who could have been depowered far more easily than they did.

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah, she was really silly. She looked like they were attached with super glue and my thought was "Wait, you rig up this incredibly complicated contraption to keep her from harming people, when all you'd need is a metal saw or even just a file to blunt them."
Yeah, her razor nails were incredibly lame, and she made S.H.I.E.L.D. docs look like morons for making her wear metal thimbles. She wasn't even up to being a Dollar Store knock-off of Molly Millions.

I know. I was hoping, at least, for some other "C-List" MARVEL villains (like Mr. Hyde), but I didn't recognized any of the characters introduced.


Will we ever see the SHIELD agents trembling before the power of the mighty Unicorn?

No, probably not. Unicorn was lame.

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i agree with Lord Fyre.... there's hundreds of C-listers begging to be used... why oh why even go to the trouble of making new ones?


Personally I don't see much difference between incorporating an obscure C-lister from one issue versus making up a new character. Was Angar really more awesome on screen because he was an old Marvel villain?

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You use the C-listers because it's MARVEL, not a bloody show of "Heroes" or "The Alphas" or whatever else lame attempt of the day is to latch unto the superhero genre.

I'm only watching this barely average Marvel Agents of SHIELD show because of my love for Marvel Comics, and if they start being this lame about it, I'm out.

I mean, who the heck is Gillette Razor Lady? should we call her "Lady Schick" or "Disposable Bi*c*?"


MMCJawa wrote:
Personally I don't see much difference between incorporating an obscure C-lister from one issue versus making up a new character. Was Angar really more awesome on screen because he was an old Marvel villain?

Yes. yes he was. :D

Though I agree about ONE issue is too much. Most C listers have had 10-20 appearances and are still C listers. We're talking 60+ years here....

Honestly, the Easter Eggs are what separate this from any other show that looks just like it.

They could yank all the names and just call it an unaired season of Alias or X-files if they don't have the marvel tid-bits in there...


From the preview, aside from several fairly well-known actors (Christine Adams, Kirk Acevedo), we also saw that...

Spoiler:
Ward will be back!


GentleGiant wrote:

From the preview, aside from several fairly well-known actors (Christine Adams, Kirk Acevedo), we also saw that...

** spoiler omitted **

EXCELLENT!!

With all these midseason breaks, I was having a terrible time remembering what happened to him? I remember Skye won the fight... but couldn't recall his fate...


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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

You use the C-listers because it's MARVEL, not a bloody show of "Heroes" or "The Alphas" or whatever else lame attempt of the day is to latch unto the superhero genre.

B#+#~ you did not just diss Alphas in front of me you wanna go we can go right now

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Rynjin wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
You use the C-listers because it's MARVEL, not a bloody show of "Heroes" or "The Alphas" or whatever else lame attempt of the day is to latch unto the superhero genre.
B@@+@ you did not just diss Alphas in front of me you wanna go we can go right now

Heroes deserves whatever smacktalk it gets, but Heroes was pretty good.

As for AoS, I'm enjoying Bobbi Morse being portrayed as effective as she is, given that the comic book character has been sidelined for some time.


To be fair Heroes walked headfirst into a writers strike. First season was pretty good. Second season on, they were hiring scabs crossing the picket line to write it.

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Greylurker wrote:
To be fair Heroes walked headfirst into a writers strike. First season was pretty good. Second season on, they were hiring scabs crossing the picket line to write it.

Heroes suffered from the writers having no idea how to write standard plots around characters that they'd introduced with plot-wrecking powers (like time travel). Every single season, some sort of artificial contrivance has to be introduced to explain why neither Hiro nor Peter just solved the threat-of-the-week by snapping their fingers. (Hiro has sworn to not use his powers that way! Peter is trapped in an alternate timeline! Hiro's powers are glitching because he's dying! Peter's powers went away! And now they've changed! And something, something, eclipse! Oh god, we're running out of excuses, cancel the show!)


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Heroes suffered from a showrunner with absolutely no spine, who gave into every complaint and criticism online and from the network, with no interest in sticking with his guns.

As an example, Sylar, Peter, and Nathan were suppose to die at the end of the first season, and season 2 would have been mostly a new cast. Had they done that, I think a lot of the later seasons would have been much better.

That's not getting into the whole Sylar evil or not flip flopping, or all the aborted plot threads that were just dropped.


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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

You use the C-listers because it's MARVEL, not a bloody show of "Heroes" or "The Alphas" or whatever else lame attempt of the day is to latch unto the superhero genre.

I'm only watching this barely average Marvel Agents of SHIELD show because of my love for Marvel Comics, and if they start being this lame about it, I'm out.

I mean, who the heck is Gillette Razor Lady? should we call her "Lady Schick" or "Disposable Bi*c*?"

Barely average? I watch Agents of Shield because it has had great plot arcs and characters, and I love the worldbuilding it does for the MCU. Too me, the Inhuman reveal, war with Hydra, build up to civil war, etc are far more important tie ins than random C-list villains which I only get after the fact due to the io9 "Secrets of..."

Gotham LOVES comic references...and that has if anything only made the show worse.


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Heroes suffered from a lack of story... I mean they clearly weren't thinking past season 1 when they made it.

AoS is at least consistent within it's setting. It has good moments and bad ones admittedly but it is a better show than any of the super hero knock offs so far... except Arrow and Agent Carter... I love Arrow & Agent Carter. I just wish they hadn't bothered with Flash... that version of flash is a major turn off.


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Aranna wrote:

Heroes suffered from a lack of story... I mean they clearly weren't thinking past season 1 when they made it.

AoS is at least consistent within it's setting. It has good moments and bad ones admittedly but it is a better show than any of the super hero knock offs so far... except Arrow and Agent Carter... I love Arrow & Agent Carter. I just wish they hadn't bothered with Flash... that version of flash is a major turn off.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on part of that.

AoS is fun, Agent Carter Rocked!

However...Flash is fantastic! Flash always was a far more heroic and likeable character than Arrow. And any show that can really portray the bad effects of messing with the timeline has my vote.

Face it, Ollie's a jerk, in any incarnation. Arrow just makes it far clearer.


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Flash reminds me of a creepy stalker secretly lusting after his sister...

Ollie, can melt my heart any time he wants. And he isn't as dark any more he mellowed out.

So yes on this we have to disagree.

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Aranna wrote:

Heroes suffered from a lack of story... I mean they clearly weren't thinking past season 1 when they made it.

AoS is at least consistent within it's setting. It has good moments and bad ones admittedly but it is a better show than any of the super hero knock offs so far... except Arrow and Agent Carter... I love Arrow & Agent Carter. I just wish they hadn't bothered with Flash... that version of flash is a major turn off.

Ditto on Agent Carter. That was a glorious show. Maybe the secret to good shows is the mini series format, which would explain why the U.K. stuff is usually so riveting, without "low calorie value" shows stuck mid-season...


Somewhere upthread Alphas got tossed into all of this. I loved that show, for the same reason I always Make Mine Marvel. They acted like normal people who suddenly have powers. See both DC and Marvel do the whole "it's hard to balance a secret I.D. and a real life" thing but Marvel always took it that one step further. For their characters they made a point to saying that the powers made things more complicated, not less. Peter Parker gave up being Spider Man, he had human failings, that kind of thing.

I loved Alphas for that. I loved that these people used their powers with abandon, got hurt, and suddenly realized that their lives weren't magically better. They weren't stable or together, they were messy like real people should be.

And that of course brings me to Coulson. Every other character on AoS feels like they're a trope drawn from the comics but Coulson, he's messy, he's incomplete, he's complicated and flawed. He's not a badass, or a tactical genius. Sometimes his plans don't pan out. He missed things and loses fights.

But he keeps going.

That is what we all want our heroes to be. Not impervious to pain or having limitless money/resources or being indestructible. We want to know that, just like us they can be hurt or fall down, but when the chips are down they don't curl up in a ball like us normal folks.

Somone has to rise up. Someone has to lead. That's why Fury picked him; that's how the Avengers got their start; that's why it has to be Phil.

As for Heroes... writing, that's all I have to say. RESPECT THE BADGE!

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Set wrote:
Greylurker wrote:
To be fair Heroes walked headfirst into a writers strike. First season was pretty good. Second season on, they were hiring scabs crossing the picket line to write it.

Heroes suffered from the writers having no idea how to write standard plots around characters that they'd introduced with plot-wrecking powers (like time travel). Every single season, some sort of artificial contrivance has to be introduced to explain why neither Hiro nor Peter just solved the threat-of-the-week by snapping their fingers. (Hiro has sworn to not use his powers that way! Peter is trapped in an alternate timeline! Hiro's powers are glitching because he's dying! Peter's powers went away! And now they've changed! And something, something, eclipse! Oh god, we're running out of excuses, cancel the show!)

I've never watched Heroes. They seriously had a character on Heroes named Hiro?

To quote the great Cosmo Kramer, that's like an ice cream man named Cone.

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Ross Byers wrote:
Set wrote:
Greylurker wrote:
To be fair Heroes walked headfirst into a writers strike. First season was pretty good. Second season on, they were hiring scabs crossing the picket line to write it.

Heroes suffered from the writers having no idea how to write standard plots around characters that they'd introduced with plot-wrecking powers (like time travel). Every single season, some sort of artificial contrivance has to be introduced to explain why neither Hiro nor Peter just solved the threat-of-the-week by snapping their fingers. (Hiro has sworn to not use his powers that way! Peter is trapped in an alternate timeline! Hiro's powers are glitching because he's dying! Peter's powers went away! And now they've changed! And something, something, eclipse! Oh god, we're running out of excuses, cancel the show!)

I've never watched Heroes. They seriously had a character on Heroes named Hiro?

To quote the great Cosmo Kramer, that's like an ice cream man named Cone.

Yes. They addressed the fact that his name was Hiro in-show.

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Ross Byers wrote:
Set wrote:
Greylurker wrote:
To be fair Heroes walked headfirst into a writers strike. First season was pretty good. Second season on, they were hiring scabs crossing the picket line to write it.

Heroes suffered from the writers having no idea how to write standard plots around characters that they'd introduced with plot-wrecking powers (like time travel). Every single season, some sort of artificial contrivance has to be introduced to explain why neither Hiro nor Peter just solved the threat-of-the-week by snapping their fingers. (Hiro has sworn to not use his powers that way! Peter is trapped in an alternate timeline! Hiro's powers are glitching because he's dying! Peter's powers went away! And now they've changed! And something, something, eclipse! Oh god, we're running out of excuses, cancel the show!)

I've never watched Heroes. They seriously had a character on Heroes named Hiro?

To quote the great Cosmo Kramer, that's like an ice cream man named Cone.

Yeah, he's a guy from Japan.


I liked Heroes...to an extent.

Season 1 was still great. Season 2 was okay (and the first half of it, before the writer's strike doubled it over with a blow to the nuts it never quite recovered from was actually very good). Season 3 was a hot mess. But the final season was actually better, and the final episode made things look like they could get very interesting in a new season...but ti got axed due to viewership dropping like a rock from the season and a half of utter ass.

I'm looking forward to the reboot/continuation/whatever that's supposed to come out sometime this year or next as I recall.

Also gives me hope for a continuation of Chuck because dammit that show was wonderful and the ending depressed me.


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Great. First we had to worry who in SHIELD was actually a Hydra agent. Now we're going to have to worry about whether they're Cylons or not.

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I've seen the first several episodes of Heroes. They put me off so badly that I never considered going back and watching it again. Same goes for Lost.

Yeah, Chuck had a very bittersweet ending. Kinda pointless. Felt rushed.

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I think they prefer 'Life Model Decoys'.

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Ross Byers wrote:
I think they prefer 'Life Model Decoys'.

Or 'Deltas' (the comic book faction of LMDs that decided to replace their originals, in a great mini-series).


Rynjin wrote:


Also gives me hope for a continuation of Chuck because dammit that show was wonderful and the ending depressed me.

Man...I loved the first three seasons of Chuck. Unfortunately, in my opinion they just ran out of stories to tell after the third season. Giving up being a spy, becoming a spy, giving up becoming a spy; Chuck getting his powers, Chuck losing his powers, chuck getting them back, etc.

Also the last two seasons really suffered from not having a great villain as well as not knowing what to really do with Chuck once him and Sarah became a couple.


Mark Hoover wrote:

Somewhere upthread Alphas got tossed into all of this. I loved that show, for the same reason I always Make Mine Marvel. They acted like normal people who suddenly have powers. See both DC and Marvel do the whole "it's hard to balance a secret I.D. and a real life" thing but Marvel always took it that one step further. For their characters they made a point to saying that the powers made things more complicated, not less. Peter Parker gave up being Spider Man, he had human failings, that kind of thing.

I liked Heroes quite a bit, and agree that the writer strike destroyed it.

One thing that's worth noting, is that it had a VERY unusual episode format. In that it didn't really have one at all. Each season was ONE episode, split into chapters that told the whole story... It took the meta-plot to an unhealthy level. If you missed one episode, you'd be lost forever... I think that helped AND hurt it a lot... for a new show in a new genre, it was NOT very 'new viewer' friendly...

Alphas? I watched the first season on Netflix... couldn't be bothered with the second one. They kind of went the OPPOSITE direction. They had too many ramifications without really telling us what the actions were that caused them... I watched them all in order, and every once in a while had to go back and see if I missed an episode because the status quo changed off screen... The biggest example was when for no particular reason someone 'semi-retired' because they couldn't use their powers anymore. Apparently he pushed too hard in the previous ep, but it didn't seem that hard at the time, and nobody made a deal of it when it happened... next episode, he's comfortably retired and I had no idea why...

Then Netflix took Forever to get that second season online and by the time they did, I just didn't care enough to finish it up...

Heroes I liked. They had a plan... but the plan got eviscerated. It's frustrating to see what it COULD have been... then to see what we got stuck with :(

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An interesting episode tonight.

Spoiler:
I liked the parts with Ward and Agent 33. That face of hers will make for some interesting scenarios. It'll be interesting to see where those two go from here, but it at least looks like they might try to reconstitute some aspect of Hydra.

I'm wondering about Other SHIELD. They've either got the original Helicarrier (which I was wondering what happened to it), or they're working with the U.S. military. If it's the latter, it would add a new dimension to the "working relationship" between Coulson and Talbot.

I'm starting to not like the new Simmons. She's kind of being a turd. I'm liking the new Fitz more and more, however, he's got a bit more of an edge to him.

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Im actually liking the new Simmons: there needs to be a character on this show that just challenges the 'oh cool.. superpowered people living amongst us'. They work for an organisation which yeah does work closely with superpowered types, but can never fully trust them. You need to plan for the day the superhero might become a supervillain.

In a way i think Simmons is preparing us for the Registration Act storyline. She is obviously being put in the Registratiob camp which I dont have an issue with.

Ward has become 120 percent better as a character since he was revealed as a double agent. Better Dialogue and just better scenes. The issue with the show is unless they start portraying him more as a stock villain the sheer amount of characters on the show means his screentime will be forever limited.


Aberzombie wrote:

An interesting episode tonight.

** spoiler omitted **

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I don't think we are suppose to like the new Simmons. She is becoming a bad guy.

Good episode, though most of this one is building up for next week's.


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I enjoyed it. I also have a scene I'm hoping for:

Spoiler:
Since they still think Fury's dead, they're (exceedingly stupid, but) going to grab that 'toolbox and plug it into the Helicarier...and everything goes down as Fury lectures them about 'snakes on his Helicarrier'.


Spiral_Ninja wrote:

I enjoyed it. I also have a scene I'm hoping for: ** spoiler omitted **

~laughter~ It is a good thing that I just finished swallowing BEFORE I read that. I would LOVE to see that.

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Matthew Pittard wrote:
Ward has become 120 percent better as a character since he was revealed as a double agent. Better Dialogue and just better scenes. The issue with the show is unless they start portraying him more as a stock villain the sheer amount of characters on the show means his screentime will be forever limited.

Yeah, I love Ward way more as the rogue player/bad guy from whom you never know what to expect. A villain who can, on occasion do something not completely evil (but usually in his own self-interest).

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