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I'm no longer feeling this show

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
I'm no longer feeling this show

Do you feel that it is becoming too complicated? Like it lacks the focus that it once had?

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Just a bit boring to be honest... I've been deep into Netflix goodness such as Spartacus and Peeky Blinders lately, so it's extremely hard to step down to the network TV stuff... at times I feel like fast forwarding so I can go back to Netflix...

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So, ages ago, watching an episode of Buffy where two characters switch minds and learning that an actress I liked was not good playing the other actresses character, while the other actress *rocked* at playing the other character. It kind of completely changed my view of those two actresses.

Tonight, more of the same, with Ming-Na Wen doing an incredible job playing Agent 33, really selling her insecurity and lack of self-confidence, while Chloe Bennett didn't really rock my world in her scenes as Agent 33.

Given how reserved the character of May can be, it's fun to see her get to play someone with such a different personality.

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Another reason for my displeasure of the show. I found that this whole Agent 33 thing is an excuse to either give more face time to Ming-Na or Chloe, or to create more love scenes that include Agent Ward (i.e. lady fanservice)

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Apropos of nothing in particular, there are five episodes left (at most) before May 1.

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Shisumo is right. Based on the Winter Soldier release, we should be expecting a drought right now (i.e. boring shows) to make way for Ultron. Then after that, the show will resume and deal with Ultron's aftermath...


Set wrote:
So, ages ago, watching an episode of Buffy where two characters switch minds and learning that an actress I liked was not good playing the other actresses character, while the other actress *rocked* at playing the other character. It kind of completely changed my view of those two actresses.

"Witch" where cheerleader and rat-to-be Amy swaps minds with her mom? Robin Riker as mom; Elizabeth Anne Allen as Amy.

Set wrote:
Tonight, more of the same, with Ming-Na Wen doing an incredible job playing Agent 33, really selling her insecurity and lack of self-confidence, while Chloe Bennett didn't really rock my world in her scenes as Agent 33.

Completely agreed. Bennett was lame there. Agent 33 was played by...six people in that episode? The major she impersonated after Talbot's wife *may* have had less personality, by virtue of having no lines (as Agent 33.)

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Damon Griffin wrote:
Set wrote:
So, ages ago, watching an episode of Buffy where two characters switch minds and learning that an actress I liked was not good playing the other actresses character, while the other actress *rocked* at playing the other character. It kind of completely changed my view of those two actresses.
"Witch" where cheerleader and rat-to-be Amy swaps minds with her mom? Robin Riker as mom; Elizabeth Anne Allen as Amy.

I suspect he's referring to "Who Are You," the season four episode where Buffy and Faith swap bodies.

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Set wrote:
So, ages ago, watching an episode of Buffy where two characters switch minds and learning that an actress I liked was not good playing the other actresses character, while the other actress *rocked* at playing the other character. It kind of completely changed my view of those two actresses.
"Witch" where cheerleader and rat-to-be Amy swaps minds with her mom? Robin Riker as mom; Elizabeth Anne Allen as Amy.

Naw, the one where Faith hijacks Buffy's body. Sarah Michelle Gellar does an amazing job playing Faith-in-Buffy's-body-pretending-to-be-Buffy, while Eliza Dushku (who goes on to play dozens of different characters in Dollhouse!) doesn't exactly set the house on fire playing Buffy-trapped-in-Faith's body.

Set wrote:
Tonight, more of the same, with Ming-Na Wen doing an incredible job playing Agent 33, really selling her insecurity and lack of self-confidence, while Chloe Bennett didn't really rock my world in her scenes as Agent 33.
Completely agreed. Bennett was lame there. Agent 33 was played by...six people in that episode? The major she impersonated after Talbot's wife *may* have had less personality, by virtue of having no lines (as Agent 33.)

The ending suggests that we might not see Agent 33 as an Agent May lookalike (or at least, as much), since she's finally using her own face. So the character is on her third or fourth appearance, and they may have finally cast the role. :)


At this point I am starting to just feel bad for Bakshi...Since his initial capture by Ward last season, thing keep getting incredibly worse every episode for him.

I liked this episode, even though really it seemed to be mostly be set up for next week, where all the $%@% hits the fan.


Wasnt it still Ming-na's voice when Bennett was playing agent 33? That couldnt have been easy to try to get your mouth to match someone elses voice patterns. Plus I like how Bennett is doing as Sky and the slight changes that have been happening.

Also it looks like the last episode in the season is on April 14th so i dont think there will be a lull in the action. I think its going to build to a big finale and is somehow going to get us to Ultron. I'm hoping for another Avenger camio or maybe meeting the twins.


I don't have the Skye/Chloe Bennett hate, but I agree I didn't see any "Agent 33" in her acting during that one scene. Ming-Na Wen was great, though.

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Well, Ming-Na had a lot of time to get it right.

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I'm not sure how big the crossover between Age of Ultron will be, honestly. I mean, they'll talk about it, sure, but I don't know if it's as game-changing as Winter Soldier was. Still, it gets us on the road to Civil War, which they've done exceedingly well thus far in setting up in the show.

*crosses fingers that they get it right this time*


Well the team might face one of Ultron's lesser replicas still active and possibly fully functional.

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Well, Ming-Na had a lot of time to get it right.

That is also true. Chloe Bennett was kind of thrown in there, and I sometimes feel that her makeup people don't do her any favors, since her face looked extremely plastic in that Agent 33 scene, as if she was wearing an actual mask, and only her eyes could move.

I did like Ward's comment about being over Skye. "She tried to kill me. I'm not *insane.*"

Yes you are, Grant. Yes, you are.


I don't think Ultron will figure in at all on the show this season. I think they have enough on their plate with Other Shield and the Inhuman situation.

Also if anything I think the whole season is building up to civil war, which looks like it might play out more on AoS, and probably be capped by Captain America 3.

On a random note, I'm starting to wonder if Ward is going to become the MCU version of Taskmaster. Someone on io9 mentioned that the actor looks a lot like how the comic character is drawn, and his "guru-like" antics last night seem to go with the comic characters history of training villains. The actor has also said that the character isn't going to try to ally with Shield or Hydra, but rather go his own way. Which also sort of fits for Taskmaster, who I think in the comics worked with both groups as needed.

There is precedent for this this, in that Deathlok and Quake were "introduced" long before it was obvious they were suppose to be specific characters. Also, Coulson, May, Fitz, and Simmons have all been added to the comics in the Agents of Shield comics, but Grant Ward (in commmon with Skye, who was turned into Quake), hasn't. That may suggest he exists already in the Marvel comics.


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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
to create more love scenes that include Agent Ward (i.e. lady fanservice)

Ewwww!!! I seriously hope you were joking.

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it's funny they've all forgot about the Clairvoyant by now

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...and Deathlok


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
it's funny they've all forgot about the Clairvoyant by now

...Probably because they blew him up with a giant laser cannon.


Well the Clairvoyant is dead now and Deathlok was mentioned wither this last episode or the one before it. They still refer to him as Mike Peterson though. I would like to see him comeback for the last few episodes.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
it's funny they've all forgot about the Clairvoyant by now

It's funny that you forgot that the Clairovoyant was just a cover for Garrett. All of that "secret knowledge" that the Clairovoyant had was stated to just be information available via SHIELD agents of a certain security clearance. The obsession with how Coulson returned to life and the reason why "The Clairovoyant" couldn't see that was because Nick Fury arranged that off the books, and Garrett couldn't find that info out via Shield intelligence.

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Although it would be funny if there was a real clairvoyant somewhere. Some old lady, blind and half-senile, sitting in a nursing home, waiting for that 'nice boy' Garrett to come back and ask her about 'the stories' she 'remembers' (i.e. the future, which she sees in visions).

She has no idea that she's precognitive (having some issues with the here and now), and now that Garrett is dead, neither does anyone else.


Set wrote:
...The ending suggests that we might not see Agent 33 as an Agent May lookalike (or at least, as much), since she's finally using her own face. So the character is on her third or fourth appearance, and they may have finally cast the role. :)

Seeing Agent 33 again made me wonder if maybe they are making her the Marvel Cinematic Universe version of Whitney Frost with a bit of Dmitri Smerdyakov thrown in?


Vahanian 89 wrote:
Well the Clairvoyant is dead now and Deathlok was mentioned wither this last episode or the one before it. They still refer to him as Mike Peterson though. I would like to see him comeback for the last few episodes.

Deathlok was allowed to walk off into the sunset at the end of last season

After being used as a weapon by the Centipede cell of Hydra, I don't think he was all that interested in joining Coulson's shield.

Although with civil war getting built up, I would be pretty shocked if he didn't show up next year being hunted down by the government/Other Shield


What about Ian Quinn and his gravitonium(and who is still in there).

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
it's funny they've all forgot about the Clairvoyant by now
It's funny that you forgot that the Clairovoyant was just a cover for Garrett. All of that "secret knowledge" that the Clairovoyant had was stated to just be information available via SHIELD agents of a certain security clearance. The obsession with how Coulson returned to life and the reason why "The Clairovoyant" couldn't see that was because Nick Fury arranged that off the books, and Garrett couldn't find that info out via Shield intelligence.

no way man! Zola lives! Garrett wasn't that good of a hacker! ;)

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Zola lives!

This I would love to see. His little face popping up again on computer screens all over! That would be epic.


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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
it's funny they've all forgot about the Clairvoyant by now
It's funny that you forgot that the Clairovoyant was just a cover for Garrett. All of that "secret knowledge" that the Clairovoyant had was stated to just be information available via SHIELD agents of a certain security clearance. The obsession with how Coulson returned to life and the reason why "The Clairovoyant" couldn't see that was because Nick Fury arranged that off the books, and Garrett couldn't find that info out via Shield intelligence.
no way man! Zola lives! Garrett wasn't that good of a hacker! ;)

Uh...hacking is not required when you have permission to read the files with the information in question.

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I want zola to live

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Zola lives!
This I would love to see. His little face popping up again on computer screens all over! That would be epic.

In a down in the dumps moment when the Avengers are almost defeated, with Iron Man's suit integrity down to 13%, with only his left repulsor left undamaged with one charge left, and Ultron standing over him about to bring down his improvised steel weapon torn from a STOP sign down and through Tony Stark's chest, the little Zola face flickers on one of Ultron's displays and causes him to pause and paralyze, followed with a "WHAT IS THIS???" James Spadersian hiss... :)

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Zola lives!
This I would love to see. His little face popping up again on computer screens all over! That would be epic.
In a down in the dumps moment when the Avengers are almost defeated, with Iron Man's suit integrity down to 13%, with only his left repulsor left undamaged with one charge left, and Ultron standing over him about to bring down his improvised steel weapon torn from a STOP sign down and through Tony Stark's chest, the little Zola face flickers on one of Ultron's displays and causes him to pause and paralyze, followed with a "WHAT IS THIS???" James Spadersian hiss... :)

Pretty sure it'd be 12% suit integrity.

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It's better than 11%.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Zola lives!
This I would love to see. His little face popping up again on computer screens all over! That would be epic.
In a down in the dumps moment when the Avengers are almost defeated, with Iron Man's suit integrity down to 13%, with only his left repulsor left undamaged with one charge left, and Ultron standing over him about to bring down his improvised steel weapon torn from a STOP sign down and through Tony Stark's chest, the little Zola face flickers on one of Ultron's displays and causes him to pause and paralyze, followed with a "WHAT IS THIS???" James Spadersian hiss... :)

When I hear WHAT IS THIS??? all I can imagine is this.

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Matthew Pittard wrote:


Im actually liking the new Simmons: there needs to be a character on this show that just challenges the 'oh cool.. superpowered people living amongst us'. They work for an organisation which yeah does work closely with superpowered types, but can never fully trust them. You need to plan for the day the superhero might become a supervillain.

I'm not too fond of how the suddenly have Simmons being so anti-mutant/Inhuman. If there would have been some kind of buildup or a episode where it's revealed that she secretly hates people with superpowers. One bad thing happens and because it's a fellow teammate that dies all of sudden she wants to kill those that are different for their own good. The character also comes across as a hypocrite. If it was a total stranger instead of Skye chances are good that he or she would be dead. Since it's a close friend and teammate it's not the same.

That being said I like the new look for the Inhuman/mutants in the series. Characters that look strange and bizarre. Instead of the usual human looking mutants like Cyclops that are persecuted. Yet a giant 8-10 ft tall orange talking rock (The Thing) gets a free pass. Simply because his powers came from a radiation cloud in space.

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In a way i think Simmons is preparing us for the Registration Act storyline. She is obviously being put in the Registratiob camp which I dont have an issue with.

Seconded. At the very least setting things up for what may come post Secret Wars. Many fans think the event maybe a giant reset button. It remains to be seen.

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Ward has become 120 percent better as a character since he was revealed as a double agent. Better Dialogue and just better scenes. The issue with the show is unless they start portraying him more as a stock villain the sheer amount of characters on the show means his screentime will be forever limited.

I think this will not change imo. A show with too many good characters and not enough screen time. It's both the benefit and curse of a good show imo.

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memorax wrote:
I'm not too fond of how the suddenly have Simmons being so anti-mutant/Inhuman. If there would have been some kind of buildup or a episode where it's revealed that she secretly hates people with superpowers. One bad thing happens and because it's a fellow teammate that dies all of sudden she wants to kill those that are different for their own good. The character also comes across as a hypocrite. If it was a total stranger instead of Skye chances are good that he or she would be dead. Since it's a close friend and teammate it's not the same.

Hypocrisy is a very human emotional reaction to shock.

So, while I am not fond of the direction they are taking the character, her actions are entirely realistic.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Another reason for my displeasure of the show. I found that this whole Agent 33 thing is an excuse to either give more face time to Ming-Na or Chloe, or to create more love scenes that include Agent Ward (i.e. lady fanservice)

Really? To me it seems pretty obvious that Ward is manipulating her into accomplishing whatever nefarious personal goal he came up with now. She is an accomplished Shield Agent and her ability to essentially shapeshift could be really useful - the first step of whatever he's doing was to kidnap Bakshi, and we could already see how efficient a minion like her could be. He's quite clearly not really in love with her.

I like that. I like that it is not said explicitly that this is what he's doing and that the show assumes we are observant enough to figure it out on our own. I actually think it's a pretty good dynamic that is consistent with how Ward would act.

Also, did anyone else notice how much the diner scene tried to resemble the diner subplot from Pulp Fiction? Obviously the cinematography was not even remotely in the same league, but it's quite clearly a cute reference.

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Hypocrisy is a very human emotional reaction to shock.

So, while I am not fond of the direction they are taking the character, her actions are entirely realistic.

It's not a major issue. I'm glad they show how much a hypocrite Simmons is. I just wish their would have been a buildup. While realistic it does feel like they tacked it on simply to push Inhumans.


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memorax wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:


Hypocrisy is a very human emotional reaction to shock.

So, while I am not fond of the direction they are taking the character, her actions are entirely realistic.

It's not a major issue. I'm glad they show how much a hypocrite Simmons is. I just wish their would have been a buildup. While realistic it does feel like they tacked it on simply to push Inhumans.

How do you build up response to a sudden traumatic event?

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Caineach wrote:
memorax wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:


Hypocrisy is a very human emotional reaction to shock.

So, while I am not fond of the direction they are taking the character, her actions are entirely realistic.

It's not a major issue. I'm glad they show how much a hypocrite Simmons is. I just wish their would have been a buildup. While realistic it does feel like they tacked it on simply to push Inhumans.
How do you build up response to a sudden traumatic event?

You sprinkle hints at earlier episodes that Simmons might be inclined to react that way. As it sits, Simmons has been exposed to super powers many times and has even very nearly died from contact with alien tech and she never leaned towards developing mutantophobia even a little bit. That makes it seems a little bit contrived that her stance now changed by events that were not really different in magnitude, but merely in results.

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Simmons seemed more sympathetic when it was Donnie Gill developing superhuman powers. Maybe Chloe would have gotten a pass if she was a cute boy?


Set wrote:

Simmons seemed more sympathetic when it was Donnie Gill developing superhuman powers. Maybe Chloe would have gotten a pass if she was a cute boy?

And his supper powers resulted in his reported death after he almost killed her and people she cares for. She even rants about how everyone who has had powers attacks them.

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Set wrote:

Simmons seemed more sympathetic when it was Donnie Gill developing superhuman powers. Maybe Chloe would have gotten a pass if she was a cute boy?

I will say this - Simmons has a serious weakness to athletic black men. I don't recall her being interested in Mac, but she was definitely excited by Deathlock (before he was a cyborg) and by Tripps.


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memorax wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:


Hypocrisy is a very human emotional reaction to shock.

So, while I am not fond of the direction they are taking the character, her actions are entirely realistic.

It's not a major issue. I'm glad they show how much a hypocrite Simmons is. I just wish their would have been a buildup. While realistic it does feel like they tacked it on simply to push Inhumans.
How do you build up response to a sudden traumatic event?

~cowers in the corner, curled up in a ball, crying my eyes out~

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You know, ...

when Simmons finds out that Director Weaver is in "the Real S.H.I.E.LD." faction, that's going to be one more nail in the "I hate change" coffin. i don't think she'll take it well.

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Weaver looks like the old Nick Fury, sans the eyepatch.

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Lord Snow wrote:


You sprinkle hints at earlier episodes that Simmons might be inclined to react that way. As it sits, Simmons has been exposed to super powers many times and has even very nearly died from contact with alien tech and she never leaned towards developing mutantophobia even a little bit. That makes it seems a little bit contrived that her stance now changed by events that were not really different in magnitude, but merely in results.

Seconded.

When Simmons tried to kill herself would have been a great opprtunity to show or at least have the character develop mutantphobia. Instead as long as bad stuff happened to strangers. She was good. Once someone who she was close to and had feelings for died. Then the mutantphobia suddenly is part of her character. Mind you in a world where there is people with powers both mutant and non-mutant. Targeting mutants makes little sense imo. Human Torch, Black Panther and Iceman. The first two get a free pass on racism. Iceman gets persecuted. It's not like mutants and non-mutants have a tattoo on their forehead that make them stand out. If Marvel really wanted to show racism properly then the fear would not be towards Inhumans and/or mutants. It would be against everyone and anyone who had superpowers mutant or not.

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memorax wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:


You sprinkle hints at earlier episodes that Simmons might be inclined to react that way. As it sits, Simmons has been exposed to super powers many times and has even very nearly died from contact with alien tech and she never leaned towards developing mutantophobia even a little bit. That makes it seems a little bit contrived that her stance now changed by events that were not really different in magnitude, but merely in results.

Seconded.

When Simmons tried to kill herself would have been a great opprtunity to show or at least have the character develop giftedaphobia. Instead as long as bad stuff happened to strangers. She was good. Once someone who she was close to and had feelings for died. Then the giftedaphobia suddenly is part of her character. Mind you in a world where there is people with powers both gifted and non-gifted. Targeting gifted makes little sense imo. Scorch, Black Panther and Donnie Gill. The first two get a free pass on racism. Gill gets persecuted. It's not like gifted and non-gifted have a tattoo on their forehead that make them stand out. If Marvel really wanted to show racism properly then the fear would not be towards Inhumans and/or gifteds. It would be against everyone and anyone who had superpowers gifted or not.

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