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Maybe we'll see a Flashback with WWII Fury being a massive tool, with some guest stars from the Cap 1 movie, like Dum-Dum and Carter and Papa Stark. I know, I should work on re-lowering my expectations for this show... it's been good for a few weeks and I go crazy and think about stuff like that... ;)
I read an article a few weeks back that listed it as on the bubble, but likely to renew giving Disney/Marvel/and ABC's tight connection.The list I saw the other day had SHIELD listed as a "certain renewal."
It was only two weeks ago that I shared this news and personal opinion so rather than repeat myself on those points... ;)
Still no source has confirmed that ABC has renewed ANYTHING...
with the exception of one odd report that claims Hell on Wheels (whatever the hell that is) has been renewed... but that may be news about something new for the fall more than a renewal... I honestly wouldn't know and don't care enough to look further into it.
Six shows have been slated for cancellation thus far;
None of them are MAoS.
I think ABC is going to sweat the fans out a little on the official announcement or simply use the season end as the moment for the reveal.
I think they are a safe bet for return, especially since Agent Carter has been listed on IMDB for 2015 as "in development."
(Click the link above if you missed that Carter bit that may be tremendously relevant. :P )
Still no source has confirmed that ABC has renewed ANYTHING...
with the exception of one odd report that claims Hell on Wheels (whatever the hell that is) has been renewed...
Hell on Wheels is an excellent western that's already been on for 3 seasons...on AMC, not ABC. Whoever wrote that doesn't seem very reliable if they can't keep their stations straight.
Hell on Wheels is an excellent western that's already been on for 3 seasons...on AMC, not ABC. Whoever wrote that doesn't seem very reliable if they can't keep their stations straight.
Eh... Typos happen. (As does undiagnosed dyslexia; maybe I misread.)
But that explains the "oddity" of that against no other renewal news from ABC.
I didn't like Hell on Wheels; not because it wasn't good, it was good, but rather because everybody in the show was a bad guy.
I didn't like Hell on Wheels; not because it wasn't good, it was good, but rather because everybody in the show was a bad guy.
Everyone?
Fitz didn't know about Garrett's implant when he set off the EMP blast, he was just doing what he could to resist/escape HYDRA. In any event, Agent John Garrett's actions warrant death.
As for the rest of the team? Yes, they are acting is if they were still cops - but no one else is even close to capturing/stopping Garrett/Ward/Deathlok.
Yes Fritz knew about Garrett's implants when setting off the EMP.
As for Skye? Monster? How?
As for Skye? Monster? How?Based on the girl in the flower dress' comments about how she was found in a village and her parents were the monsters who attacked it.
Although perhaps a less than reliable source there.
That said it seems like Reina (sp?) seems to have an entirely different agenda than Garrett. Kind of wonder if this is going to play into her being the big bad next season?
I really hope this series doesn't end till we find out what Skye actually is.
I really hope this series doesn't end till we find out what Skye actually is.
Do you mean like "Shepherd Book"?
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I didn't like Hell on Wheels; not because it wasn't good, it was good, but rather because everybody in the show was a bad guy.Everyone?
Fitz didn't know about Garrett's implant when he set off the EMP blast, he was just doing what he could to resist/escape HYDRA. In any event, Agent John Garrett's actions warrant death.
As for the rest of the team? Yes, they are acting is if they were still cops - but no one else is even close to capturing/stopping Garrett/Ward/Deathlok.
I'm pretty sure Aranna was talking about "Hell on Wheels", and not about Agents of Shield.
Episode 21 was pretty good, and I liked how much fun the team was having with the vintage (yet surprisingly potent) spyware.
So I'm pretty sure the only way they are going to be able to get Fitz and Simmons out of their predicament is to have Ward regret his evil ways and turn about to save them. On the other hand, I guess we didn't explicitly see them after seeing the box be dropped, so they might not even be on it - it wasn't made 100% clear if Ward killed the dog or not, and he might have decided to make it look like he got rid of Fitz and Simmons without actually doing that. We'll see.
As for Skye? Monster? How?Based on the girl in the flower dress' comments about how she was found in a village and her parents were the monsters who attacked it.
Yeah but that isn't saying much. People are called monsters all the time especially people who commit mass murder looking for their missing child. And clearly Skye doesn't have horns and hooves or a monstrous disposition. So she certainly isn't a monster in any sense of the word.
Ward didn't kill the dog. Garett did.
Hmm, I think it was Ward who killed the dog. He couldn't shoot it when it was looking at him but when it was unaware of him. Same with Fitz and Simmons, when Ward pushed those buttons he turned his back to Fitz&Simmons so he wouldn't have to look at them when "killing" them.
Just my 2cents about that scene, I really liked it. Episode was great too.
Fitzsimmons were not dropped from a very high height, and its possible that the container they are in will float at least for a little bit. Also Fitz has a tracker, which is how I assume Team Coulson will track them and rescue them.
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Well, with Garrett "feeling the universe" from the T.A.H.I.T.I. drug cocktail, Raina working on her own agenda, Ward questioning his own loyalties, and Deathlok the same old loose cannon, I don't anticipate the Bad Guy coalition lasting much longer.
Meanwhile, the Good Guy team is mending a lot of weak team bonds. I'm surprised to see that it's Fitz who is having the hardest time fitting in. Also, as others have noted, he set off the EMP deliberately trying to kill Garrett. He's crossed a moral thresh-hold, and I'm expecting him to die in the season finale.
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Also, as others have noted, he set off the EMP deliberately trying to kill Garrett. He's crossed a moral thresh-hold, and I'm expecting him to die in the season finale.
Leo Fitz did nothing wrong. Yes, he tried to kill Garrett, but it was a self-defense situation (with their being captured).
Also, Agent Garrett does deserve death for his crimes - he is hardly an "innocent." No moral threshold was crossed.
He won't. I would have done the same.It's mostly that the rest of the team got away with much more serious stuff.
Disagree. Fitz's action was entirely justified as I noted above.
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Is it wrong? Probably, but Fitz has shown that he's been the team member having the hardest time coping with HYDRA's reappearance in general and Ward's betrayal in specific. He's not in a good place, so he naturally makes some bad decisions. I'm not sure if it's crossing that threshold so much as pushing against that line.
I'm actually expecting Simmons to die, if anyone. They're trapped underwater with limited air, so one of them will have to stop breathing so one of them can survive. If she dies, then Fitz and Triplet have something to angst about together.
I do think Fitz has "gone of the deep end a bit" but it is for that reason that I don't think he will be killed. Killing him off would be a bit too easy and cut of a source of a lot of possible future plot involving Simmons and Triplet and Fitz/Ward. Just imagine the possible future angst if they have Fitz do something horrible in the finale.
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On Fitz: No, that was pretty indisputably justified. Killing people is generally bad, but killing homicidal nutjobs who've previously threatened to torture you for years* when they currently hold you captive? Not so much.
From a meta perspective, Skye and Triplett make Fitz's skill set redundant. But the team needs a medic.
Triplett's a trained medic. :)
Personally, I think they'll both survive...but this is a Joss Whedon show, so I could be wrong.
*Anyone else remembering Garrett threatening to torture Fitz into being his pet tech genius and ordering him shot in the kneecaps? And Fitz threatening him in response, with nobody taking him seriously? Well that appears to have been a mistake. Fitz apparently doesn't make idle threats.
Pulling the trigger on the psychotic bad guy who has been, among other things, forcing people to do wrong by placing little bombs in their heads? Yeah, not a bad thing. Gloating about it? Also not bad, given the context. Fitz has shown in the past that he has trouble with the whole "tough guy" routine. I'm not counting this against him at all.
And Ward pulled the trigger on the dog. It was his rifle, which we saw in the scene with the deer. That was the reason for the juxtaposition of past/present in that scene. He couldn't face the dog and do the deed. He could do it from a distance though. Likewise, he couldn't face FitzSimmons, but he could drop the cargo box into the sea with his back turned.
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And I don't see Fitz's line as 'gloating', just trying to put on a bit of bravery and affirm a bit of self-control while in the midst of a rather traumatic situation that seemed likely to end in his death.
He's a man of compassion, remember how he treated the genius kid at the Academy... he's a really good guy. So I don't think it was gloating either. As for putting a brave face and affirming self-control: I think it was rather to "convince himself" that he did not regret it, because deep inside, he does regret it a bit, even if it was bastard Garrett... ;)
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It's not a Joss Whedon show. He directed the Pilot and is listed as a producer but that's it.
He's involved enough in it to comment on how it interacts with the recent Captain America movie from a seeming position of authority. That's likely involved enough to murder characters out-of-hand. Or at least suggest doing so...or just not squash such ideas from other writers. Which makes it close enough to a Joss Whedon show for this particular purpose (ie: speculating that characters might die).
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And more confirmation on Agent Carter too!
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Also, as others have noted, he set off the EMP deliberately trying to kill Garrett. He's crossed a moral thresh-hold, and I'm expecting him to die in the season finale.Leo Fitz did nothing wrong. Yes, he tried to kill Garrett, but it was a self-defense situation (with their being captured).
Also, Agent Garrett does deserve death for his crimes - he is hardly an "innocent." No moral threshold was crossed.
Disagree. Fitz's action was entirely justified as I noted above.He won't. I would have done the same.It's mostly that the rest of the team got away with much more serious stuff.
Well, I'm never going to consider killing anyone, innocent or not, as a 100% moral action. What can I say, Batman impressed me. I mean, killing Garrett is certainly better than letting him live, but it's worse than neautralizing him and putting him in some jail to rot.
I think this is a case of conflicting world views. I prefer the heroic of not killing your enemies. I also think of the SHIELD agents as not entirely moral, so I think Fitzs' behavior was entirely in keeping with his character and I certainly consider him a good guy. I think the reason that he will not be punished for killing is not that he did asbloutly nothing wrong (he killed), but rather that his actions were more justifyed than what many other team members did during the season.
Well, I'm never going to consider killing anyone, innocent or not, as a 100% moral action. What can I say, Batman impressed me. I mean, killing Garrett is certainly better than letting him live, but it's worse than neautralizing him and putting him in some jail to rot.I think this is a case of conflicting world views. I prefer the heroic of not killing your enemies. I also think of the SHIELD agents as not entirely moral, so I think Fitzs' behavior was entirely in keeping with his character and I certainly consider him a good guy. I think the reason that he will not be punished for killing is not that he did asbloutly nothing wrong (he killed), but rather that his actions were more justifyed than what many other team members did during the season.
I agree with this. I'm definitely in the 'no killing' camp.
That said, I think Fitz gets a pass just based on the idea that he may not have TRIED to kill Garrett. Seriously, an EMP at a cyborg is going to shut him down, slow him up... but its nota guarantee KILL.... Garrett was having medical issues before this that weren't common knowledge.
Shutting down all his potential weapons and legs and whatnot that a deathlok has is a good strategy, but it's not the same as putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.
The whole 'I'm glad he's dying' stuff... that was just Fitz trying to talk big ;)
I'm in the "kill villains" camp. Imagine how many people would have lived if someone fried Joker after his first arrest?
Or his second, or fifth, or tenth?
I'm in the "kill villains" camp. Imagine how many people would have lived if someone fried Joker after his first arrest?
Homicidal psychopaths and killers belong in a single place. Six feet under.
Joker sucks. he has no uses, and the only reason an orderly hasn't slipped him an airbubble is company dictate.
Garrett however? He's got some interesting tech, he's got inside knowledge of Hydra, he knows what the future plans are...
He's worth more alive then dead.
MOST supervillains can either be rehabilitated or are an expert in some field or another. There are way too many scenarios that the good guys may need them for something later to justify just 'killing' them.
People like Joker or Zasz? They are the exceptions. And frankly the courts should have had them killed years ago. Crazy or not.
Coulson's team are not really in the position to arrest anyone at this point. After all, they are currently on the run themselves, and don't have the connections/support to perform an effective arrest.
Coulson's team are not really in the position to arrest anyone at this point. After all, they are currently on the run themselves, and don't have the connections/support to perform an effective arrest.
Sounds like every superhero ever.
The bad guys are international terrorists with Nazi backgrounds... you leave drugged with a note for ANY law enforcement place with a cage... they'll be glad to take them off your hands ;)
Though this is a bit different, as they are also traitors with SHIELD secrets.... not EXACTLY the same thing. May be too dangerous to let get interrogated.
I DO wonder how much of Black Widow's download and Coulson's SHIELD secrets cross over? I have to imagine that SOME SHIELD secrets are still Secrets.
Though this is a bit different, as they are also traitors with SHIELD secrets.... not EXACTLY the same thing. May be too dangerous to let get interrogated.
Maybe not. After Black Widow's download, they might not know too much that is dangerous.
I DO wonder how much of Black Widow's download and Coulson's SHIELD secrets cross over? I have to imagine that SOME SHIELD secrets are still Secrets.
Nick Fury would have made sure of it.