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Hey All,
I'm looking at the FAQ, and wanted to make sure I'm understanding it correctly:
SKR wrote: Ray: Do rays count as weapons for the purpose of spells and effects that affect weapons?
Yes. (See also this FAQ item for a similar question about rays and weapon feats.)
For example, a bard's inspire courage says it affects "weapon damage rolls," which is worded that way so don't try to add the bonus to a spell like fireball. However, rays are treated as weapons, whether they're from spells, a monster ability, a class ability, or some other source, so the inspire courage bonus applies to ray attack rolls and ray damage rolls.
The same rule applies to weapon-like spells such as flame blade, mage's sword, and spiritual weapon--effects that affect weapons work on these spells.
—Sean K Reynolds, 07/29/11
I'm creating a Samsaran Oracle (Wind Mystery) with the Mystic Past Life racial option, and was going to add Barkskin, Flame Blade, Light Lance, and Holy Weapon to her divine spell list. If I'm understanding the FAQ correctly, does that mean my Flame Blade or Light Lance spell can benefit from a Keen Edge or Holy Weapon spell, since both the Flame Blade and Light Lance are creating specific weapon-like effects (scimitar and lance)?
Thanks,
-Rob
Looks that way. I question Flame Blade only because in the spell description it say its immaterial. But that quote from SKR makes me think its legal, the spell is a weapon (you have to roll "to hit" and "dmg" rolls the way you would if it was an actual weapon).
So, I'll go with yes it works.
7th level is about to get very interesting...
SKR did not intend for his quote to be brought into this area.
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Just like mage armor or shield cannot be a target for magic vestment, a flame blade or light lance cannot be a target for magic weapon, keen edge, or holy weapon.
Spell effects that are not objects (i.e., beams of fire or light) are not valid targets for magic weapon, etc. They are "treated as weapons" for the purposes of feats (Improved Critical, Point Blank Shot, Weapon Focus, etc.) and other effects that increase weapon attack rolls and/or damage in general (bless, haste, heroism, etc.) instead of effects for enhancing a specific object.
Also I thought Mystic Past Life allowed you to add spells from one other class so who gets flame blade and holy weapon?
meowstef wrote: Also I thought Mystic Past Life allowed you to add spells from one other class so who gets flame blade and holy weapon? I believe you are correct, thank you and fixed on my character.
Dragonchess Player wrote: Just like mage armor or shield cannot be a target for magic vestment, a flame blade or light lance cannot be a target for magic weapon, keen edge, or holy weapon.
Spell effects that are not objects (i.e., beams of fire or light) are not valid targets for magic weapon, etc. They are "treated as weapons" for the purposes of feats (Improved Critical, Point Blank Shot, Weapon Focus, etc.) and other effects that increase weapon attack rolls and/or damage in general (bless, haste, heroism, etc.) instead of effects for enhancing a specific object.
You sure? Light Lance actually has an enhancement bonus (and holy weapon property), despite being a beam of light.
With Flame Blade, you need something that something like "your weapons", or "your attacks", to effect it.
Now, things that target a specific weapon, will not work.
I could be wrong, but either way, expect table variation.
No clue about how all this shit should work together(GM call I guess.), but I know Keen Edge would not work with flame blade because it is not a slashing or piercing weapon.
The Improved Critical feat would work though.
Dead Phoenix wrote: No clue about how all this s!#! should work together(GM call I guess.), but I know Keen Edge would not work with flame blade because it is not a slashing or piercing weapon. Good call.
I'm wondering if Deliquescent Gloves would still work with Flame Blade, though.
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Warhaven wrote: Dragonchess Player wrote: Just like mage armor or shield cannot be a target for magic vestment, a flame blade or light lance cannot be a target for magic weapon, keen edge, or holy weapon.
Spell effects that are not objects (i.e., beams of fire or light) are not valid targets for magic weapon, etc. They are "treated as weapons" for the purposes of feats (Improved Critical, Point Blank Shot, Weapon Focus, etc.) and other effects that increase weapon attack rolls and/or damage in general (bless, haste, heroism, etc.) instead of effects for enhancing a specific object.
You sure? Light Lance actually has an enhancement bonus (and holy weapon property), despite being a beam of light. "Acts as a +1 holy lance" is describing the attack and damage statistics of the "beam of brilliant radiance." It does not mean that it is an actual +1 holy lance; it is not an object.
For the deliquescent gloves, it would depend on whether the GM considered using a beam of fire or light as "wielding a weapon." You could probably argue it either way, but IMO it would be against the RAI to treat a spell effect the same a physical weapon (how would the beam of fire or light pass on the acid?).
meowstef wrote: Also I thought Mystic Past Life allowed you to add spells from one other class so who gets flame blade and holy weapon? The biggest mistake that people make about this feat is that you are not allowed to cross the arcane/divine line with it. A divine character could get this by being either a Druid or Paladin in thier present life.
Would Weapon Focus (rays_ give you a +1 bonus to hit when using Flame Blade? The spell describes it as a ray. Also, would Flame Blade crit on the same range as a scimitar?
Seraph Stormborn wrote: Would Weapon Focus (rays_ give you a +1 bonus to hit when using Flame Blade? The spell describes it as a ray. Also, would Flame Blade crit on the same range as a scimitar? Flame Blade? It creates a "sword-like beam", not a ray. Compare to Ray of Exhaustion or [url=http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/disintegrate.html#_disintegrate]Disintegrate], each of which create a "ray".
An easier way to get Flame Blade is to follow Sarenrae, as several classes get the spell added to their list if they follow the Dawnflower. Bards and Paladins, for example.
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