Darkleaf cloth as armor - legal

[Samasboy1]

I think the note "Other types of armor made of leather or hide might be possible" certainly should allow more armors than are explicitly list to be made of Dark Leaf Cloth.

Examples from the PFSRD include:
Padded
Leather
Studded Leather
Hide
Lamellar Cuirass
Lamellar
Do-Maru
Rosewood
Hide Shirt
Armored Coat (Yes it incorporates metal, but in a way similar to Studded)

[James Risner]

Mahtobedis wrote:

I have never seen a hero lab sheet that was 100% accurate ... majority of these errors are user generated

I'm not seeing your point, and I don't agree with you that HL sheets have more of this than non-HL sheets as I have the opposite experience. I believe we are both experiencing confirmation bias and it may be true that the same percentage of sheets are in error due to user errors in both methods.

Jack Rift wrote:

That is perfectly possible. I have made a barbarian with max strength (@ 1st level) that had +7 to hit and +13 to damage

I pointed this out earlier he responded with something I didn't understand which amounted to "it was still wrong"

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Well, you could always make a Herolab sheet, then copy the information by hand to another sheet. This will keep the technology hating DMs happy.

Which I totally would do if I ever run into a HL hating DM. So far (knock on wood) in well over 150 sessions of play I've yet to run into anyone who even said a disparaging word regarding HeroLab. Not one single DM ever.

[blackbloodtroll]

Hell, I know tons of people with such terrible handwriting, that is not only illegible to me, but eventually, to the person who wrote it.

I usually demand they at least use a form fillable PDF sheet, and print it.

[Sir Thugsalot]

Sniggevert wrote:

Note: dark leaf hide armor is still medium armor and will reduce movement normally, unlike medium armory ade of mithral.

The nice thing about that (especially for mounted characters who care less about about dismounted speed) is that the Defender of the Society trait will work for them (unlike those persons in mithral light armor variants of normally medium armor).

[MrSin]

Sir Thugsalot wrote:

Sniggevert wrote:

Note: dark leaf hide armor is still medium armor and will reduce movement normally, unlike medium armory ade of mithral.

The nice thing about that (especially for mounted characters who care less about about dismounted speed) is that the Defender of the Society trait will work for them (unlike those persons in mithral light armor variants of normally medium armor).

The downside is your still at a net loss and that someone taking defender of the society can likely wear something much heavier.

[Ravingdork]

What do the "Fighter" and "Society" tags on Defender of the Society mean?

[Sniggevert]

The trait was from the Faction Guide where it gave some details/options on various organizations of Golarion, including the Pathfinder Society.

Those tags are limiters on who can take the trait. In this case, only actual Fighter class characters who belong to the Pathfinder Society are eligible for the trait as printed. It means much less if not playing on Golarion, or if the factions aren't used during the campaign.

[Sir Thugsalot]

Be careful applying darkleaf to armors not explicitly listed in the special materials description -- I see some people trying to make heavy eastern armors out of darkleaf (to cheese Celestial Plate-type armor/DEX numbers at far less cost).

[SeeleyOne]

The Diplomat wrote:

MrSin wrote:

Why wouldn't it? Its a type of leather and that's the kind of thing darkleaf was meant to be used for.

HeroLab doesn't allow it, so I just thought I'd clarify. Ultimate Equipment does say: "As such, padded armor, leather armor, studded leather armor, and hide armor can be made out of darkleaf cloth (although other types of armor made of leather or hide might be possible)."

Since Lamellar (leather) isn't specifically mentioned in the list, I considered it might be one of those GM's discretion things.

Hero Lab DOES allow it. My character has it.

[Bigdaddyjug]

Quendishir wrote:

I had a Barbarian come to my table with +7 to hit and +12 to damage, at level 1. It factored in his Rage modifiers on top of STR and BAB, and didn't remove the penalty to hit from Power Attack despite adding the damage.

I had an archer who had, at level 5, +11 to attacks with Rapid Shot and Deadly Aim, damage bonuses, but no penalties for either attack.

I have had a rogue show up with +1 to Stealth, despite max ranks, +5 Dexterity modifier, and no armor check penalty at level 4.

This is what I Can think of off the top of my head from just the pats month. Yes, there have been more.

Don't blame the program if people don't know how to use it or ignore the error codes it throws up. If I sat down at your table with my iPad, and you told me I couldn't play unless I had another character sheet, you better believe Mike Brock would get an email from me immediately.

[Lunas]

Aeloth IV wrote:

So I have some questions about darkleaf cloth as armor.

1. What page can it be found in the ARG?? I cannot seem to find it there at all. This should answer my question regarding its legality for PFS.

2. In the Ninja guide below, the author equates darkleaf cloth armor to mithral. Can someone explain the mechanics of how the below quote works?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEZyEP-yooZdGprglxcEorpL_EnPfUqr6M89uHm F8Bo/edit?pli=1

"Alternatively, if you can use the ARG, a Darkleaf Cloth Hide Shirt has the same stats as the Mithral Chain Shirt and only costs 840gp."

3. What stats would studded darkleaf cloth armor have, and how much would it cost?

Thanks so much!!!!

that guide has the price wrong hide armor is medium armor and thus would cost 1515gp as darkleaf and would be considered light in everything except enchantment cost and material cost and proficiency requirement.

Darkleaf cloth studded leather would be 775gp
+3 ac +7 dex limit 0 acp 5% asf

[Sniggevert]

Lunas wrote:

Aeloth IV wrote:

So I have some questions about darkleaf cloth as armor.

1. What page can it be found in the ARG?? I cannot seem to find it there at all. This should answer my question regarding its legality for PFS.

2. In the Ninja guide below, the author equates darkleaf cloth armor to mithral. Can someone explain the mechanics of how the below quote works?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEZyEP-yooZdGprglxcEorpL_EnPfUqr6M89uHm F8Bo/edit?pli=1

"Alternatively, if you can use the ARG, a Darkleaf Cloth Hide Shirt has the same stats as the Mithral Chain Shirt and only costs 840gp."

3. What stats would studded darkleaf cloth armor have, and how much would it cost?

Thanks so much!!!!

that guide has the price wrong hide armor is medium armor and thus would cost 1515gp as darkleaf and would be considered light in everything except enchantment cost and material cost and proficiency requirement.

Darkleaf cloth studded leather would be 775gp
+3 ac +7 dex limit 0 acp 5% asf

Darkleaf armor does not count as a lighter armor type. So, darkleaf hide would still be medium armor for movement and other purposes. It just weighs less.

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

Herolab now does allow you to make Lamellar Leather out of darkleaf cloth, which is logical and PFS-allowed.

[thistledown]

Sniggevert wrote:

The trait was from the Faction Guide where it gave some details/options on various organizations of Golarion, including the Pathfinder Society.

Those tags are limiters on who can take the trait. In this case, only actual Fighter class characters who belong to the Pathfinder Society are eligible for the trait as printed. It means much less if not playing on Golarion, or if the factions aren't used during the campaign.

Because hero labs lists the version from the Shattered Star adventure path. Doesn't have the class requirements, and is newer so hero lab uses it instead. - but is not on the additional resources list so it's not PFS legal.

edit - quoted wrong post

[Voadkha]

Bigdaddyjug wrote:

Don't blame the program if people don't know how to use it or ignore the error codes it throws up. If I sat down at your table with my iPad, and you told me I couldn't play unless I had another character sheet, you better believe Mike Brock would get an email from me immediately.

Here here!

I came across this thread while researching a question about Darkleaf and was, frankly, appalled that someone was so rabidly and (apparently ignorantly) anti-hero lab.

I can confirm that there are DOZENS of mistakes/traps that ignorant (not stupid just ignorant) people will often accidentally make when using HL. The game has grown so complicated over the years that new people joining the game often don't know enough to notice when something is off.

Additionally, I would wholeheartedly support Quendishir if he were to demand that the player prove they own a copy of every resource their character was using and disallow them based on the high probability that if they don't understand HL enough to ensure it's generating situationally correct numbers then they are probably also not in compliance with Paizo ownership rules.

However, I'm a little sad that Paizo leadership didn't come down hard and censure the "if you use HL you can't play at my table" attitude. Completely unacceptable in my book.

[Ascalaphus]

Did you notice the thread is more than three years old?