so in the stereotypical group
wizard vs witch
blasting: wizard. you cant beat the flexibility and section of the wizard but the witch dose get enough to count
party support and buffs: witch. healing... one word wizard can not do it with his spell list every thing else is more or less the same hast for heroism and so forth
control: witch. more save or suck spells and abilities by far the same advantage the wizard has in blasting
but these might be my opinion your game might run differentially then mine which is probably true however one more thing to look at what if you took a witch and wizard striped then as naked as the day there where born and set there book or familiar on fire till there was nothing but ash in the morning the witch will be pissed but preparing her spells, because the witch has quite a few ways to have her familiar back with out having to hope the DM is not going to be a ass when she cast wish in hopes to get his spell book back or pay out the butt for every spell he wants back. it only cost 1000gp and the witch has all her spells back(with a side note of her pet looking different).
i don't know the spells per day i would say are moot if you included hexes, yes hexes don't have the same flex but they can count for spell you don't have to have ready and the DC grows so they don't become invalid like most low lvl control spells
cant beat that spell book vs familiar thing though
God Wizards are gods because of the sheer number of things they can do. Witch's have a spell selection that is only a quarter what a Wizard has access too. They might not be all quality spells, but the number of contingencies a Wizard can cover is mind blowing. That is why Witches are not the God Wizards of PF, and Wizards are.
God wizards do not blast. There are ways to get healing spells on a wizards spell list. Any wizard without an extra spell book (back at their base) with a bookplate of recall (1,000g) is retarded.
Witch's slumber / cackle combo is amazing even at high levels.
cant beat that spell book vs familiar thing thoughSure you can: if the witch loses their familiar, they have to start collecting all their spells from scratch. The wizard simply gets his backup spellbook.
the witch can rez their spell book 1000 gold with a spell they have
and a wizard, who was smart and spent 1,000g earlier, can say a command word and their spellbook appears in their hands.
Witch's slumber / cackle combo is amazing even at high levels.
Cackle for some reason doesn't work on slumber. Misfortune/Fortune/Evil eye are also good candidates, hitting two people per round with slumber using twin hex is pretty nasty and puts down encounters fast if the GM doesn't roll good saves.
More to being god than save or dies though. Its about the ability to conquer any situation and lay down battlefield control, which the witch doesn't have super awesome access to, or at least not so much as the wizard. Hexes in particular are pretty cruddy, with most of them being useless but with a few gems that actually make the class useful.
oh well my best try at this
Is it ok that I love it when people argue over a class to the point of grabbing at all the finer details, more or less doing my job for me in class research. Really I would start a flame war over all 18 classes if I could just to see what I could learn
you all are more cleaver then me:)
Looks at Baba Yaga's stat block.
Yep.
oh what is she a wizard? if so that's kinda lame
oh what is she a wizard? if so that's kinda lame
No. She's a witch. And amazing.
I'm getting ready to play a witch and I'm really excited about it. I also don't like the god wizard since it never works like people say it does, at least not in any of my groups over the past ten years.
oh what is she a wizard? if so that's kinda lame
She breaks a lot of rules to be what she is. If I remember right, she is a
She's actually so God Wizard that she can actually do God(Divine) spells.
It's totally up to the GM but her write up says she's attained such mastery that she can replicate Divine spells.
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classes my group think are op never really mach up with what people say here either. from most to lest OP in my players eyes are Monk, druid, and alchemist ya let that sink in wizard not even in the top 3. my players for the most don't like classes with book work
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The witch specialises in enchantment above other schools.
Slumber doesn't work on undead, constructs, oozes and a few other things.
The witch gets Lightning Bolt, but does not get the wizard's Fireball, Scorching Ray or Magic Missile.
The witch gets none of the wizard's useful utility spells, like prestidigitation, mage hand, unseen servant, feather fall, shield, daylight, blur, displacement, spider climb, gaseous form, haste (though your patron might let you take one of these).
The witch does get other abilities to make up for that (which is good, otherwise there'd be no balance) but the wizard is generally able to handle all situations, while the witch is able to deal with some situations especially well and other situations not well at all.
I really had no idea she had a wright up, one that spank Elemister in his prime. I do find the homer in the way I worded the thread vs Baba Yaga.
As I play a witch in Kingmaker, I'm pretty familiar with their strengths and weaknesses. I'd say the point which is mentioned only peripherally here, but I consider central is how a witch is a pure glass cannon. They are almost completely bereft of the defensive spells that a wizard can use to keep themselves alive. Heck, even invisibility isn't on their list, much less mirror image, blur, blink, etc. My witch does a hell of a job debuffing, controlling the battlefield, or just putting things out of commission, but the minute he gets targeted he is in deep doo doo. There's just very little he can do beyond fly out of reach and hope they are lousy at ranged attacks.
I will reinforce drbuzzard here, the witch's main weakness is that they lack defensive spells/hexes of the sort that wizards rely on. My own witch attempts to mitigate this through UMD and wands. At first glance witches actually seem that they might even be superior to wizards in the role of battlefield controller, but that only works as long as the witch manages to avoid becoming the target of enemy attacks.
And just fwiw, there is a class that REALLY gives the wizard a run for their money as a superior battlefield controller who ALSO tops the wizard in defensive capabilities, and that is the druid.