| Claxon |
You could pick the person up with your hair. But, your witch will be limited by her own strength capacity for the purposes of the fly spell.
The subject can fly at a speed of 60 feet (or 40 feet if it wears medium or heavy armor, or if it carries a medium or heavy load). It can ascend at half speed and descend at double speed, and its maneuverability is good.
Using a fly spell requires only as much concentration as walking, so the subject can attack or cast spells normally. The subject of a fly spell can charge but not run, and it cannot carry aloft more weight than its maximum load, plus any armor it wears. The subject gains a bonus on Fly skill checks equal to 1/2 your caster level.
Should the spell duration expire while the subject is still aloft, the magic fails slowly. The subject floats downward 60 feet per round for 1d6 rounds. If it reaches the ground in that amount of time, it lands safely. If not, it falls the rest of the distance, taking 1d6 points of damage per 10 feet of fall. Since dispelling a spell effectively ends it, the subject also descends safely in this way if the fly spell is dispelled, but not if it is negated by an antimagic field.
Your carrying capacity is based on your strength score, Prehensile Hair hex would not help at all in this case unless your strength score would allow you to lift the creature on your own.
So...no.
| Mapleswitch |
If you have a DM that worries about Carrying Capacity -->
Buy a Masterwork Backpack that has Muleback Cords (normal magical item) and Ant Haul (Continuous Spell) enchants on it (weighing 4 pounds). At a total cost of 3,050g, this item adds +9 to your strength for carrying capacity purposes, then multiplies the weight allowed by x3. In other words, a new born baby with a strength of 1 can carry 300 pounds of gear while wearing this backpack.
| MrSin |
Your carrying capacity is based on your strength score, Prehensile Hair hex would not help at all in this case unless your strength score would allow you to lift the creature on your own.
Prehensile hair creates a limb with a strength score equal to your intelligence.
The witch can instantly cause her hair (or even her eyebrows) to grow up to 10 feet long or to shrink to its normal length, and can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb with a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score.
Maximum load for a character with 22 strength is 520 pounds btw.
| Claxon |
Claxon wrote:Your carrying capacity is based on your strength score, Prehensile Hair hex would not help at all in this case unless your strength score would allow you to lift the creature on your own.Prehensile hair creates a limb with a strength score equal to your intelligence.
Prehensile hair wrote:The witch can instantly cause her hair (or even her eyebrows) to grow up to 10 feet long or to shrink to its normal length, and can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb with a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score.Maximum load for a character with 22 strength is 520 pounds btw.
I see what you're saying, but I'd say the rest of the body is still limited by the witch's strength score and not affected by the prehensile hair. Fly affects the whole body.
The body of the character must be able to support the total weight while flying, regardless of the strength of the hair, IMO. Such that the character would effectively be limited to their own strength while flying.
LazarX
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So... cast fly on the hair and we're good then?
No you're not. The greater strength and carry capacity of prehensile hair is essentially based on the ability of the hair's ability to brace itself against the ground, taking off the pressure on the rest of the meat body. In flight, that consideration essentially goes away so you wind up defaulting to your regular str score.
The other factor is that there is no mechanic for casting fly on a body part as opposed to the whole person.
| MrSin |
The greater strength and carry capacity of prehensile hair is essentially based on the ability of the hair's ability to brace itself against the ground, taking off the pressure on the rest of the meat body. In flight, that consideration essentially goes away so you wind up defaulting to your regular str score.
Where did you get that from?
The other factor is that there is no mechanic for casting fly on a body part as opposed to the whole person.
To be fair, I was cracking a joke about what Claxon said, and not being entirely serious.
LazarX
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LazarX wrote:The greater strength and carry capacity of prehensile hair is essentially based on the ability of the hair's ability to brace itself against the ground, taking off the pressure on the rest of the meat body. In flight, that consideration essentially goes away so you wind up defaulting to your regular str score.Where did you get that from?
Basic logic really. If you're using your hair to lift, carry or shove against something, you need backing to lift against. If it's just your body that's doing it, then you'd have to be limited by your normal strength score. Otherwise it's a fair assumption that some of your hair is used as bracing.
| MrSin |
By that logic you can't lift anything when you fly. Its magic yo'. You don't even need wings... Actually its not even magic. Its a supernatural power. The hair has the strength because its based on crazy folklore stuffs, like in the movie forbidden kingdom with Jackie Chan. Its too, is supernatural.
This is a rules question, not a how I would run it question.
ArmouredMonk13
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I see lifting things you couldn't normally lift with prehensile hair as this:The hair is capable of lifting it, but then carrying the hair would be to heavy. So if it spurted from your eyebrows, the hair would in essence be too heavy for your head to remain lifted in the air, and you would fall prone if you couldn't lift the object.
Aristophanes
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Prehensile Hair (Su): The witch can instantly cause her hair (or even her eyebrows) to grow up to 10 feet long or to shrink to its normal length, and can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb with a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score. Her hair has reach 10 feet, and she can use it as a secondary natural attack that deals 1d3 points of damage (1d2 for a Small witch). Her hair can manipulate objects (but not weapons) as dexterously as a human hand. The hair cannot be sundered or attacked as a separate creature. Pieces cut from the witch’s elongated hair shrink away to nothing.[b] Using her hair does not harm the witch’s head or neck, even if she lifts something heavy with it.[b/] The witch can manipulate her hair a number of minutes each day equal to her level; these minutes do not need to be consecutive, but must be spent in 1-minute increments. A typical male witch with this hex can also manipulate his beard, moustache, or eyebrows. Source: Ultimate Magic
I'm not married to the idea, but the bolded section suggests it might be possible.
A fun alternative is the Muleback Cord, maybe in combo with Bull's Strength.
Edit: Dang it! the bolding didn't work!
Diego Rossi
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Prehensile Hair (Su): The witch can instantly cause her hair (or even her eyebrows) to grow up to 10 feet long or to shrink to its normal length, and can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb with a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score. Her hair has reach 10 feet, and she can use it as a secondary natural attack that deals 1d3 points of damage (1d2 for a Small witch). Her hair can manipulate objects (but not weapons) as dexterously as a human hand. The hair cannot be sundered or attacked as a separate creature. Pieces cut from the witch’s elongated hair shrink away to nothing. Using her hair does not harm the witch’s head or neck, even if she lifts something heavy with it. The witch can manipulate her hair a number of minutes each day equal to her level; these minutes do not need to be consecutive, but must be spent in 1-minute increments. A typical male witch with this hex can also manipulate his beard, moustache, or eyebrows. Source: Ultimate Magic
I'm not married to the idea, but the bolded section suggests it might be possible.
A fun alternative is the Muleback Cord, maybe in combo with Bull's Strength.
Edit: Dang it! the bolding didn't work!
It is /b, not b/
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" can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb with a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score."
The hair only, not the whole body.
Your carrying capacity is based on your body size and your body strength, not a single limb.
Diego Rossi
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Diego Rossi wrote:Your carrying capacity is based on your body size and your body strength, not a single limb.So your saying the limb does nothing? Do you need to FAQs this?
The hairs can grab someone using the listed strength, they can even lift someone/something using the witch intelligence as their strength, if the witch is stationary and braced.
They don't allow the witch to go around with something carried in her hair like her whole body had that strength value.| MrSin |
The hairs can grab someone using the listed strength, they can even lift someone/something using the witch intelligence as their strength, if the witch is stationary and braced.
They don't allow the witch to go around with something carried in her hair like her whole body had that strength value.
I don't see text here that states what your preaching. Opinion or how you'd run it doesn't have anything to do with the rules.
Diego Rossi
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LIFT:
lift (lft)
v. lift·ed, lift·ing, lifts
v.tr.
1.
a. To direct or carry from a lower to a higher position; raise: lift one's eyes; lifted the suitcase.
b. To transport by air: The helicopter lifted the entire team to the meet.
2.
a. To revoke by taking back; rescind: lifted the embargo.
b. To bring an end to (a blockade or siege) by removing forces.
3. To cease (artillery fire) in an area.
4.
a. To raise in condition, rank, or esteem.
b. To uplift; elate: Your telephone call really lifted my spirits.
5. To remove (plants) from the ground for transplanting.
6. To project or sound in loud, clear tones: lifted their voices in song.
7. Informal To steal; pilfer: A thief lifted my wallet.
8. Informal To copy from something already published; plagiarize: lifted whole paragraphs from the encyclopedia.
9. To pay off or clear (a debt or mortgage, for example).
10. To perform cosmetic surgery on (the face, for example), especially in order to remove wrinkles or sagging skin.
11.
a. Sports To hit (a golf ball) very high into the air.
b. To pick up (a golf ball) to place it in a better lie.
c. To shoot or flip (a puck) so that it rises sharply off the ice.
v.intr.
1.
a. To rise; ascend.
b. To yield to upward pressure: These windows lift easily.
2.
a. To disappear or disperse by or as if by rising: By afternoon the smog had lifted.
b. To stop temporarily: The rain lifted by morning.
3. To become elevated; soar: Their spirits lifted when help came.
n.
1. The act or process of rising or raising to a higher position.
2. Power or force available for raising: the lift of a pump.
3. An amount or a weight raised or capable of being raised at one time; a load.
4.
a. The extent or height to which something is raised or rises; the amount of elevation.
b. The distance or space through which something is raised or rises.
5. A rise or an elevation in the level of the ground.
6. An elevation of the spirits: The good news gave us a lift.
7. A raised, high, or erect position, as of a part of the body: the lift of his chin.
8. A machine or device designed to pick up, raise, or carry something.
9. One of the layers of leather, rubber, or other material making up the heel of a shoe.
10. Chiefly British A passenger or cargo elevator.
11. A ride in a vehicle given to help someone reach a destination: gave my friend a lift into town.
12. Assistance or help: gave her a lift with her heavy packages.
13. A set of pumps used in a mine.
14. The component of the total aerodynamic force acting on an airfoil or on an entire aircraft or winged missile perpendicular to the relative wind and normally exerted in an upward direction, opposing the pull of gravity.
Using her hair does not harm the witch’s head or neck, even if she lifts something heavy with it.
Not CARRY, but LIFT. Straight from the ability description.
Diego Rossi
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The dictionary term was unneeded. Doesn't say you can't carry. Ideally if you can lift you can also carry. Lifting is part of your carrying capacity. Its twice what you can carry.
Lifting and Dragging: A character can lift as much as his maximum load[/b[ over his head. A character's maximum load is the highest amount of weight listed for a character's Strength in the heavy load column of Table: Carrying Capacity.
A character can lift as much as double his maximum load off the ground, but he or she can only stagger around with it. While overloaded in this way, the character loses any Dexterity bonus to AC and can move only 5 feet per round (as a full-round action).
A character can generally push or drag along the ground as much as five times his maximum load. Favorable conditions can double these numbers, and bad circumstances can reduce them by half or more.
and maximum load is determined by:
Encumbrance by Weight: If you want to determine whether your character's gear is heavy enough to slow him down more than his armor already does, total the weight of all the character's items, including armor, weapons, and gear. Compare this total to [b]the character's Strength on Table: Carrying Capacity. Depending on the character's carrying capacity, he or she may be carrying a light, medium, or heavy load. Like armor, a character's load affects his maximum Dexterity bonus to AC, carries a check penalty (which works like an armor check penalty), reduces the character's speed, and affects how fast the character can run, as shown on Table: Encumbrance Effects. A medium or heavy load counts as medium or heavy armor for the purpose of abilities or skills that are restricted by armor. Carrying a light load does not encumber a character.
the character strength, not the strength of his strongest limb.
The witch hair can lift something, but that is separated from carrying it as the hair have a strength that is different from the character strength.
The dictionary citation is relevant as lift is used in the dictionary sense, and that definition, to meat at least, make clear that lifting is different from carrying.
You can lift something heavy with the hairs. You can even move it from point A e point B as long as they are within reach of the hairs. What you can't do is moving around carrying something that you normally couldn't carry simply thanks to the strength of your hairs.
| Sereinái |
If the hair takes the weight off of you then why bother with flight at all? Just have two or more witches lift each other off the ground with their hair and keep on elevating each other until the hex runs out.
The hex states that you can manipulate objects with your hair as if it was a limb with a STR of your INT. It doesn't say not to count the weight towards your carry capacity.
You still have to "carry" your hair and that includes everything it carries.
| Kyoni |
Compare it to real life...
somebody in a wheelchair usually has no/little strength in their legs...
But they usually have pretty strong arms, because they use their arms to move the wheelchair around.
Their arms are capable of lifting stuff I probably couldn't (at least not for longer stretches of time). But if they were to stand and lift that same weight with their arms... they would have to brace.
Logic...?