Shift (Su):

[GM Arkwright]

Shift (Su): At 1st level, you can teleport to a nearby space as a swift action as if using dimension door. This movement does not provoke an attack of opportunity. You must be able to see the space that you are moving into. You cannot take other creatures with you when you use this ability (except for familiars). You can move 5 feet for every two wizard levels you possess (minimum 5 feet). You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Intelligence modifier.

Dimension Door: You instantly transfer yourself from your current location to any other spot within range. You always arrive at exactly the spot desired - whether by simply visualizing the area or by stating direction. After using this spell, you can't take any other actions until your next turn.

After a wizard uses Shift, must he end his turn? Can he not take any actions, even if he may have some remaining?

[Fromper]

Yup. The stuff you quoted covers it. Once you shift, your turn is done.

[jjaamm]

correct, need to use your standard and move before using it. Have a 12th whom has used it alot, just have to use it at the end.

[GM Arkwright]

Tsk, much less useful than if otherwise. Thank you, nevertheless.

[jjaamm]

Yes but quit useful as you get up in levels, but even at first level it lets you get out of that grapple.

[Reecy]

It specifically States this is a Swift Action and SU power...

I wouldn't think a Swift Action would End your time...

[Wyrven]

you can use a feat "Dimensional Agility" to bypass the limitation.

[GM Arkwright]

Hmm; would a Conjuration(Teleporation) wizard be able to take Dimensional Agility at level 1 or would he have to wait until he can cast the spell?

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

GM Arkwright wrote:

Hmm; would a Conjuration(Teleporation) wizard be able to take Dimensional Agility at level 1 or would he have to wait until he can cast the spell?

Concensus seems to be that he has to wait until he can cast DDoor, so level 7 at minimum.

[Fromper]

Wyrven wrote:

you can use a feat "Dimensional Agility" to bypass the limitation.

Was that debate ever definitely settled? I stopped paying attention, since I don't have an affected character, but I know there was a question about whether the feat applied to this ability or only to the actual Dimension Door spell.

[Reecy]

Yes this would give you the ability to use ALL your Actions
so Swift to DD
then you still have your Stanard and Move

[jjaamm]

Fromper wrote:

Wyrven wrote:

you can use a feat "Dimensional Agility" to bypass the limitation.

Was that debate ever definitely settled? I stopped paying attention, since I don't have an affected character, but I know there was a question about whether the feat applied to this ability or only to the actual Dimension Door spell.

Dont think so. My 12th has the feat but i have never used it for shift, being a SU. It is usually my last action anyways. Move out of cover, cast, shift back.

[Ascalaphus]

I think technically, Dimensional Agility doesn't help, because it specifies:

Dimensional Agility wrote:

After using abundant step or casting dimension door, you can take any actions you still have remaining on your turn.

And supernatural abilities aren't cast.

[A7]

Necro:

Applying the same logic where people are saying that since that Shift is (Su) and therefore isn't cast as a spell, you can not use dimensions agility feat. Then the counterpoint should also be true: from the dimension door description;

"After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn."

Spells are cast. This is a swift supernatural ability i.e. you can take other actions after shifting.

[A7]

The "Shift" (Su) ability from the Conjuration (Teleportation) subschool allows a wizard to teleport to a nearby space as a swift action. The description of "Shift" is as follows:

"Shift (Su): At 1st level, you can teleport to a nearby space as a swift action as if using dimension door. This movement does not provoke an attack of opportunity. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Intelligence modifier."

It is important to note that there is no mention of restrictions on subsequent actions after using "Shift," which is a departure from the wording used in the "Dimension Door" spell:

"After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn."

This specific limitation indicates that such restrictions are explicitly stated when they apply. The absence of such wording in the "Shift" ability suggests that the user is free to take other actions, including move and standard actions, after using "Shift."

Moreover, Supernatural abilities, as per Pathfinder’s rules, are distinct from spell-like abilities and spells in that they are not subject to the same limitations:

"Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability’s effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells."

The "Abundant Step" ability of the Monk provides a clear parallel. It allows the Monk to use an effect similar to "dimension door" as a move action without prohibiting further actions:

"Abundant Step (Su): At 12th level or higher, a monk can slip magically between spaces, as if using the spell dimension door, a certain number of times per day. This ability functions as a move action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity."

Despite referencing "dimension door," "Abundant Step" explicitly states its use as a move action, illustrating that the Monk can continue to act afterward. If "Abundant Step" and similar abilities allow for actions after teleportation, it follows that "Shift," with its absence of any restrictive text, would permit the same.

Thus, when looking at the design of Supernatural abilities within Pathfinder, it becomes evident that such abilities are intended to enhance gameplay by providing additional options and flexibility, not to impose the same limitations as spells. The design philosophy suggests that if a Supernatural ability like "Shift" were meant to restrict further actions, it would be clearly stated as it is with "Dimension Door." The lack of such restrictions in "Shift's" description should then be interpreted as a deliberate choice, allowing for a dynamic use of the ability within the game's action economy.

[willuwontu]

A7 wrote:

It is important to note that there is no mention of restrictions on subsequent actions after using "Shift," which is a departure from the wording used in the "Dimension Door" spell:

"After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn."

The ability itself doesn't need to mention the limitation when it's in the effect it's imitating.

Quote:

This specific limitation indicates that such restrictions are explicitly stated when they apply. The absence of such wording in the "Shift" ability suggests that the user is free to take other actions, including move and standard actions, after using "Shift."

No, it would need language that dimension door's effect doesn't apply, the lack of such means that dimension door's effect does apply.

Quote:

The "Abundant Step" ability of the Monk provides a clear parallel. It allows the Monk to use an effect similar to "dimension door" as a move action without prohibiting further actions:

"Abundant Step (Su): At 12th level or higher, a monk can slip magically between spaces, as if using the spell dimension door, a certain number of times per day. This ability functions as a move action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity."

Despite referencing "dimension door," "Abundant Step" explicitly states its use as a move action, illustrating that the Monk can continue to act afterward. If "Abundant Step" and similar abilities allow for actions after teleportation, it follows that "Shift," with its absence of any restrictive text, would permit the same.

Making an action a move action, does not mean that the rest of the effect does not apply. Dimensional Agility even shows your premise to be false.

Dimensional Agility wrote:

After using abundant step or casting dimension door, you can take any actions you still have remaining on your turn.

[AvarielGray]

This came up recently for us, as one of my players is a Conjuration (Teleportation) Wizard and wondered about taking Dimensional Agility at 1st level. I think the general rule is that if it doesn't specify otherwise, it follows the usual ruling - in this case, since it says its "as if using dimension door", goes on to specify several differences from normal dimension door (requires line of sight, can only take yourself and familiar) and doesn't specify that you can take further actions, its safe to assume that clause of the dimension door effect is still in play.

Tangentially related, but while I know RAW you'd technically still need the prerequisite of being able to cast dimension door, I let her take Dimensional Agility at 1st level for her Shift ability - it's like casting dimension door, has no other requirements, still uses up a feat slot, and I figure if she wanted the feat then she'd take it later anyway. It's not really game breaking for the 1st level wizard to do a fun little hop now and then and they're having fun with it. Just my ruling though!

[bbangerter]

willuwontu wrote:

A7 wrote:

Despite referencing "dimension door," "Abundant Step" explicitly states its use as a move action, illustrating that the Monk can continue to act afterward. If "Abundant Step" and similar abilities allow for actions after teleportation, it follows that "Shift," with its absence of any restrictive text, would permit the same.

Making an action a move action, does not mean that the rest of the effect does not apply. Dimensional Agility even shows your premise to be false.

This ^.

Abundant step being a move action is telling you can it be done with a move action, no more, no less.

Eg. a wizard normally uses a standard action to cast dimension door. Thier move action (and swift action, and free actions) can be used for whatever else they want. But as soon as they DD their turn ends.

A wizard with a quickened DD would use a swift action to DD, and their standard, move, and free actions can be used for whatever they want. But as soon as they (quickened) DD, their turn is over.

A monk using abundant step can use it as a move action. They can use their stanrard, swift, and free actions for whatever they want. But as soon as they (move action) DD, their turn is over.

For the shift ability, as written, dimensional agility does not work with it. As a GM I would probably allow it at level 7 (but not at level 1).