Dragon Roar with MoMS with Elemental Fist and corresponding style stack nicely. Plus shaken.
Dragon Style and Ferocity ARE fantastic.
Speaking from experience, Roar is meh at best, though very cool. I asked to retrain it because it was almost never useful and when it was it wasn't very.
It fills the Great-Cleave role for me. And is a martial AOE. Not as useful as it could be BUTTT!!! You can do it after a move and it goes after will-saves instead of fort (like stunning fist).
Hmmm I'm liking this more and more.
I had Elemental Fist but didn't have Shaitan Style to go with it.
Still, there have been very few places where I could use a 15 ft. cone and hit more than two targets, and those were all undead anyway so Shaken is kinda lol anyway.
Maybe I should get it back, I dunno. I just had a fairly bad experience with it being mostly useless.
Dragon Roar with MoMS with Elemental Fist and corresponding style stack nicely. Plus shaken.
If MoMS didn't give up flurry I would like it WAY MORE.
It's hard for me to see how monks can keep up without flurry.
I had Elemental Fist but didn't have Shaitan Style to go with it.
Still, there have been very few places where I could use a 15 ft. cone and hit more than two targets, and those were all undead anyway so Shaken is kinda lol anyway.
Maybe I should get it back, I dunno. I just had a fairly bad experience with it being mostly useless.
Speaking of feats, do you know of any that add bonuses to an attack at the end of a charge?
I love monks and never actually cared for flurry. I love monks for their mobility so I rarely stand and fight. I'm horrified at people giving up high jump! Monk level as bonus, +20 with Ki on top of +4 for every 10ft of fast movement. Hip Hop Horay! As the kids say.
Speaking of feats, do you know of any that add bonuses to an attack at the end of a charge?
There was one in 3.5 I believe (specifically meant for Monks, it had lessened prereqs for Monks I think), but not in Pathfinder that I know of.
And I think it was 3rd Party too.
Also, the MoMS giving up Flurry IS a bit of a hit to straight damage, yeah. I have mine set up (with a Brawler dip) to deal solid damage with a single hit (+18 to-hit/+25 damage on 1st, +13/+22 on second) and it depresses me that my DPR is only around 30-ish.
Though that doesn't factor in possible extra hits from Snake Fang (up to 3) and Panther Style (up to 4) at +16/+25, which'd probably situationally bring it up higher.
Still it's hella FUN.
Though in my rebuild I'm considering giving up Panther Style for Hamatula Strike because impaling people on my arm sounds sweet.
Just not sure if it'd be a trap coming in at level 9. If I went Monk 5/Brawler 4 instead of 6/3 I could get Greater Grapple and Hamatula Grasp in there too pretty easily which sounds like it may or may not be better.
Would that raise or drop DPR, I wonder? What's the average CMD at level 9+?
3.5 you could get a plus 10 to jump with 2 skill points. Leaping dragon style from TOB made your jumping even better. If your group used either of those you were set. Had to know how to make your jumps great to use leap attack or tiger maneuvers. These options have since been removed and I can't find anything like them in pathfinder except possibly a few specific class features.
Dragon Roar with MoMS with Elemental Fist and corresponding style stack nicely. Plus shaken.If MoMS didn't give up flurry I would like it WAY MORE.
It's hard for me to see how monks can keep up without flurry.
Most MoMS I see don't keep up with flurry. Or at least not with the martials. They do however have some amazing defences and are capable of being crazy turtles or some cool combos. Attacking foes while handing out AoO's while keeping up a good defence and spreading a bleed or such for instance. They still have 3/4 BAB and have trouble hitting, and full attacking isn't always the best. Edit: that still doesn't add up to full BAB classes though...
I said earlier it can be a good dip though. 1 MoMS with a duelist of some sort for instance opens up a good number of style feats and full BAB and free hand synergy is great for meeting prereqs and ensuring you do good yourself.
I love monks and never actually cared for flurry. I love monks for their mobility so I rarely stand and fight. I'm horrified at people giving up high jump! Monk level as bonus, +20 with Ki on top of +4 for every 10ft of fast movement. Hip Hop Horay! As the kids say.
How often does being able to jump high come up as being useful in your games. In most people's games that I know or have known it almost never comes up. It almost comes up less than slow fall would.
For monsters or Class leveled humanoids? I've generally found that any melee style character I'm playing tends to be somewhere between 26 and 30 at around those levels.
Jegus. I'd only be pulling at max a 19 with Improved AND Greater Grapple.
Wait, actually, since I'd be using Hamatula Strike would that mean my weapon boosts would help? Like Weapon Focus: Unarmed, my AoMF, the Brawling property, Close Combatant (Weapon Training for Brawler) etc.
In that case I could pull a solid 24.
I love monks and never actually cared for flurry. I love monks for their mobility so I rarely stand and fight. I'm horrified at people giving up high jump! Monk level as bonus, +20 with Ki on top of +4 for every 10ft of fast movement. Hip Hop Horay! As the kids say.How often does being able to jump high come up as being useful in your games. In most people's games that I know or have known it almost never comes up. It almost comes up less than slow fall would.
My monk jumps every combat or over foes (because why not?). When the party is sneaking around, I stealth tumble jump so can move at fullspeed without getting ahead of the party.
Jumping is FUN!
I love monks and never actually cared for flurry. I love monks for their mobility so I rarely stand and fight. I'm horrified at people giving up high jump! Monk level as bonus, +20 with Ki on top of +4 for every 10ft of fast movement. Hip Hop Horay! As the kids say.How often does being able to jump high come up as being useful in your games. In most people's games that I know or have known it almost never comes up. It almost comes up less than slow fall would.
In my games, fairly often (although I think my games may be different from what I generally read on here). My Dwarven MoMS used his Dragon Monkey Style with the Death From Above feat pretty much every combat, I've used it to get into second story windows, over city walls, etc.. Sure you could use climb but a single jump is so much cooler.
Maybe I was too quick to judge MoMS. Depending on the styles you take it could be very useful. It's not a build where you EVER want to full attack, but the host of defensive abilities with condition adding pseudo spell "punches"
Hmmm it's very unique and goes about combat in a completely different way than a traditional martial.
Too get the most out of the class you want to get atleast 5 styles. Hmmmm idk if the monk has enough feats to grab enough styles and take certain basic feats (like combat reflexes).
A human monk would have 17 feats in total. I wouldn't grab power-attack... Wait a minute... The PA bonus to damage works with the monk "attacks" like dragon roar. That's a fair bit of extra damage (even with 3/4 BAB)
So, how many archetypes have been proven to be "OK"?? it would be very nice If there is a way to make a good use of 50% of them.
If you say "proven" too much you will summon ciretose and the build police.
I'm saying you can't compare the barbar and monk.The monk does not have pounce.
In another few levels, the monk will have access to something better than pounce.
Dimensional Dervish.
Not only can he teleport and full attack, he can flank with himself while doing so.
Yeah I'm sure he can do that in every round of combat for the day.
I'm saying you can't compare the barbar and monk.The monk does not have pounce.
In another few levels, the monk will have access to something better than pounce.
Dimensional Dervish.
Not only can he teleport and full attack, he can flank with himself while doing so.
But the earliest he would EVER be able to do that is level 17.
And he could still only do it a few times a day.
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My initial position was that monks were viable but required significant system mastery to use effectively. I stand by that position.Why must it remain that way?
Why shouldn't it be easier for people to intuitively build the monk that lives up to what they envision?
Some people enjoy complicated class designed. Others, not so much.
Pathfinder has both, which I consider to a good thing.
I'd consider locking something as archetypical as martial artists away is very much a bad thing.
Again, it would not hurt anyone if the monk was more intuitive.
My initial position was that monks were viable but required significant system mastery to use effectively. I stand by that position.Why must it remain that way?
Why shouldn't it be easier for people to intuitively build the monk that lives up to what they envision?
Some people enjoy complicated class designed. Others, not so much.
Pathfinder has both, which I consider to a good thing.
I'd consider locking something as archetypical as martial artists away is very much a bad thing.
Again, it would not hurt anyone if the monk was more intuitive.
Yeah but it wasn't when first written. An archetype can fix that. The core class won't be re-written until Pathfinder 2.0 (Which will probably never happen, since changing editions turned out to be a bad business plan for WotC)
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Just giving up on playing a monk that feels right is not effort.I did put effort into my monk. It was still an exercise in misery.
1. Lorekeeper hit your goalposts.
2. Many, if not most, classes need some level of system mastery to be "successful"
1. It dumps CHA and still has bling issues(unfortunately that's a game-wide problem that hits everyone). I am however looking at his two DEX monks to see what I can use.
2. And monks need a disproportionate level of system mastery.
Yeah but it wasn't when first written. An archetype can fix that. The core class won't be re-written until Pathfinder 2.0 (Which will probably never happen, since changing editions turned out to be a bad business plan for WotC)
I don't know. I think I'm okay with backwards compatibility getting Old Yeller'd, at least in the case of the monk. But that will likely be some time away.
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A couple of notes on optimization for non-flurry monks:
If you're archetype gives up flurry, then there's not much else to force the monk to go without armor. If you're willing to give up Wisdom AC and fast movement, then you can instead equip light armor - specifically a +X brawling mithril chainshirt. The +2 to hit and damage to unarmed attacks go a long way to compensate for the "lost" BAB from monk flurry vs 3/4 BAB.
The sensei archetype is, in my opinion, one of the strongest archetypes in the game. It is not for martial combative characters (though the Wisdom focus means you can really work that Stunning Fist and get much higher than normal DCs) - which also means that the sensei is a great target for taking Spring Attack. It plays more like a combat-focused bard. Other than the "inspire courage" the sensei can do, from level 6 he can use his ki to give benefits to everybody - you think the barkskin ki power is cool? Wait til the entire party gets it via the sensei (this also frees up buying amulet of natural armor for the party - so money win too). But this extends to all ki powers - in fact, if you have 2 levels of ninja and get yourself "forgotten trick", the sensei can do a *lot* of strange things with his ability to apply ki powers to others. Like giving an ally in a pit spider climb. Or giving any combat feat that the recipient qualifies for to an ally).
A level 12 sensei goes even further: he applies the chosen ki power to all allies within 30 ft (includes himself) without increasing the cost. Having the entire party get +4 dodge AC, or an extra attack (that stacks with haste). Or use wholeness of body to "channel" healing onto all allies. Or dimension door all allies within 30ft to the BBEG (passed all the defenses) - or to safety.
So what about all the ki that is necessary? A ring of ki mastery goes a really long way for a sensei. Since he's generally not super combat focused, he's got spare feats for Extra Ki. He should probably take the human extra-ki favored class bonus. And as written, the ki mystic archetype pretty much doubles the character's ki pool (by granting an additional ki pool, the archetype doesn't replace the original monk ki pool).
human qinggong monk 10
I've decided I'd try to do a build in a completely different direction. Mikiko is focused on the extremes of dex-based damage. She uses the qinggong archetype, as I think the core monk's position is established well enough now - and for all intents and purposes any monk build that can get the barkskin ki power should do so. Mikiko is all about hitting enemies when they miss her. She has a fairly brutal flurry to draw attention to herself, but her AOOs are every bit as strong as her primary flurry attacks.
Why did you not account for reach on any enemy that has it? For all with reach, after their first attack that misses (where you hit them back) they would realize "huh, I need to attack from outside this guy's reach" and 5' step back before laying waste to you. How do the numbers compare that way?
Also, what about the flyers? How are you getting them into melee range?
To note, all of those monsters, have reach or flying, with the exception of the guardian naga and rakshasa, both of which are casters, and as you said, would not stand up and slugfest with you.
This is pretty much the same as saying "Well, I can defeat the tarrasque, as long as he just lets me keep swinging until he goes limp."
human qinggong monk 10
I've decided I'd try to do a build in a completely different direction. Mikiko is focused on the extremes of dex-based damage. She uses the qinggong archetype, as I think the core monk's position is established well enough now - and for all intents and purposes any monk build that can get the barkskin ki power should do so. Mikiko is all about hitting enemies when they miss her. She has a fairly brutal flurry to draw attention to herself, but her AOOs are every bit as strong as her primary flurry attacks.
Why did you not account for reach on any enemy that has it? For all with reach, after their first attack that misses (where you hit them back) they would realize "huh, I need to attack from outside this guy's reach" and 5' step back before laying waste to you. How do the numbers compare that way?
Also, what about the flyers? How are you getting them into melee range?
Not accounted for at all, likewise for any of the spells and special abilities that couldn't readily be incorporated into the statistical analysis. The demo fights are just about showcasing the ability of the monk to do raw damage - much like the vaunted fighter, ranger, paladin and barbarian. A measure for a front-liner is whether he/she can handle 25% of a CR-appropriate foe in 1 round - Mikiko manages that and exceeds that admirably.
However, I didn't give the monk the benefit of knowing who she'd be fighting (if she accepts a quest to fight a dragon, it would be reasonable for her to pick up a couple of potions of flying, etc). Likewise, she doesn't get any help against the DR 10 (or DR 15) that she cannot overcome in the sample fights, she just powers through it. So simulations willing to go into such depths should consider how often a prepared character could bypass DR.
Real fights in actual campaigns are typically considerably more complex, and feature a whole party, and a whole lot of upfront knowledge. They also relatively rarely feature fights with a single big monster - typically it is a host of enemies with many class levels.
Finally, as I mentioned before, Mikiko can be played with the extremes she is built with (she's not a purely theoretical construct in the sense that she cannot survive outside the simulation), but I - for one - would tone down the extreme offensive for a more balanced defense. The monk will still do sufficiently well in combat, but gain great saves and even better AC that way.
Not accounted for at all, likewise for any of the spells and special abilities that couldn't readily be incorporated into the statistical analysis. The demo fights are just about showcasing the ability of the monk to do raw damage - much like the vaunted fighter, ranger, paladin and barbarian. A measure for a front-liner is whether he/she can handle 25% of a CR-appropriate foe in 1 round - Mikiko manages that and exceeds that admirably.
However, I didn't give the monk the benefit of knowing who she'd be fighting (if she accepts a quest to fight a dragon, it would be reasonable for her to pick up a couple of potions of flying, etc). Likewise, she doesn't get any help against the DR 10 (or DR 15) that she cannot overcome in the sample fights, she just powers through it. So simulations willing to go into such depths should consider how often a prepared character could bypass DR.
Real fights in actual campaigns are typically considerably more complex, and feature a whole party, and a whole lot of upfront knowledge....
My point is your "extreme" offense requires being able to keep the enemy in your threatened range while they attack you. You have no way of doing this, so all creatures with reach can 5' step and full attack, removing your snake fang damage. How do the numbers run with that extremely basic concept used?
A note: Mikiko features a level 1 feat "fast learner" that she doesn't qualify for (needs more Int) - so feel free to replace that with the feat of your choice. Perhaps Great Fortitude.
A note, the second: At level 11 consider Step Up, just to handle those pesky reach monsters.
My point is your "extreme" offense requires being able to keep the enemy in your threatened range while they attack you. You have no way of doing this, so all creatures with reach can 5' step and full attack, removing your snake fang damage. How do the numbers run with that extremely basic concept used?
5ft-ing isn't always possible (difficult terrain, wall behind monster, etc), but yes often it applies. The numbers are already there - just ignore the part about Snake Fang damage. (The maths is straight forward given the numbers provided.)
While you're at it, have Mikiko be smarter about using ki for AC - some enemies have so low attacks that the ki dodge doesn't make a difference (I didn't account for that either) - so use that for ki attacks instead during the flurry (add 25% more damage to the flurries).
Anyway. There are plenty of ways to counter reach. A 50gp potion of Enlarge Person for example. Or the feat Step Up. Or fog (5ft vision).
I'm saying you can't compare the barbar and monk.The monk does not have pounce.
In another few levels, the monk will have access to something better than pounce.
Dimensional Dervish.
Not only can he teleport and full attack, he can flank with himself while doing so.
That requires dimensional savant, not dimensional dervish, and it is 4 feats deep. It not something any of the monk builds presented will have"soon" since none of them even picked up the first feat in the chain.
The grinding wheel there will either polish the monk, or grind him down.
That requires dimensional savant, not dimensional dervish, and it is 4 feats deep. It not something any of the monk builds presented will have"soon" since none of them even picked up the first feat in the chain.
Oh, I stand corrected. It's not something any Monk can do any earlier than level 19.
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I love monks and never actually cared for flurry. I love monks for their mobility so I rarely stand and fight. I'm horrified at people giving up high jump! Monk level as bonus, +20 with Ki on top of +4 for every 10ft of fast movement. Hip Hop Horay! As the kids say.How often does being able to jump high come up as being useful in your games. In most people's games that I know or have known it almost never comes up. It almost comes up less than slow fall would.
I generally give it up, as at the point you get it, it makes more sense to carry a spare fly potion or something like that rather than be locked into an ability that is less useful over time. Scorching ray, Ki Arrow, Deny Death and True Strike are far more useful after 5th level, for example, each having it's own appeal depending on build.
So, how many archetypes have been proven to be "OK"?? it would be very nice If there is a way to make a good use of 50% of them.For this thread, none.
A zen archer versus an invulnerable rager comparison (as an example) doesn't prove anything. The first is hardly a monk, and the second has a completely different role from the first.
Sohei, Zen Archer, Quinqong(spelled wrong), are the three I can see doing ok without multiclassing.
If you multiclass the master of many styles can do well.
The core monk is starting to look like it will be ok, but we won't know unless it gets tested in the other thread. Of course some will say it takes too much effort, but there is not much that can be done about that. At least we have something to present to players in our games so they don't suffer for wanting to play an unarmed monk any more.
edit:Now if you want an unarmed combatant the zen archer is out, so it really depends on what you want your monk to do.
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Ugh...I was looking at things to change before the proving ground and I am right at WBL...I hate when that happens.
Monk Robe is kind of a trap at this level, but without the extra 2 damage per attack I am below the DPR goal post.
At the same time, with that 13k I can upgrade the bracers to +2 for 3k to make up for the lost AC, get the +2 cloak back for 4 K and have 6 k left for things like Enlarged, Fly and Dex potions.
Thoughts before I finalize?
EDIT: Looking at the Snakeskin Tunic. +1 to AC, +1 to Dex (so functionally +2 to AC) the poison part is useless, but that would leave me with 5 k for potions...so many choices...this is why I love the game...
Ciretose that goal post DPR was a number I happened to choose. The important thing is that you are viable in combat. You don't have to keep that number. If you can drop to a lower DPR, but the monster can't just ignore you then do so.
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Ciretose that goal post DPR was a number I happened to choose. The important thing is that you are viable in combat. You don't have to keep that number. If you can drop to a lower DPR, but the monster can't just ignore you then do so.
Oh I know. I'm just having fun with the swapping. The choices are one of the most fun parts of the game.
I also don't want to potion cheese (although I generally do so when I am playing a monk...)
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So, how many archetypes have been proven to be "OK"?? it would be very nice If there is a way to make a good use of 50% of them.
Any archetype that retains flurry can be built along the same lines as what we have done.
Some archetypes, such as weapon adept, will have slightly higher DPR at least up to level 10.
Deliquescent gloves...8k gives me 1d6 acid damage, so there we go, that covers the lost damage. 3k to upgrade bracers back to +2, 1k for a +1 cloak and that leaves me 1k for potions.
1 Enlarge (250)
1 Fly (250)Thoughts? suggestions?
Maybe invisibility.
By-the-way dragon style is fantastic. Why were people not hyping this up more?
Because Dragon Style is only good for a monk with a high strength score, and not everyone wants to play a monk that is a massive pile of muscle as opposed to the small, quick, wise ascetic that is actually the meme the monk class is taken to represent.
Snake Style is my favourite for the more dex-based monk.
I love monks and never actually cared for flurry. I love monks for their mobility so I rarely stand and fight. I'm horrified at people giving up high jump! Monk level as bonus, +20 with Ki on top of +4 for every 10ft of fast movement. Hip Hop Horay! As the kids say.
Well that +20 bonus means only +5' of altitude you can jump. When your enemy is hovering 30' above your head you need a jump roll of 120 in order to reach them, which is a bit of a pain even for a monk.
So, how many archetypes have been proven to be "OK"?? it would be very nice If there is a way to make a good use of 50% of them.
Not many. If you accept that a monk with horrible AC without buffing is acceptable, you can make a half-way decent DPR monk with a doctorate in system mastery. On the flip side you can do that as a novice with a fighter or barbarian or paladin, and with the same system mastery they could be awesome, so I really don't see what it proves save that, as originally postulated, the monk class has problems and is fundamentally weak.
The ones everybody agrees are a big improvement are zen archer, sohei, tettori, and qingong so far as I am aware. However, two are not really 'monks' as they are envisaged, and another is grappler-focused only, while the qingong's main advantage is it avoids bad weaknesses in the core monk. Sensei is decent, but is more of a spell-less bard.
Yeah but it wasn't when first written. An archetype can fix that. The core class won't be re-written until Pathfinder 2.0 (Which will probably never happen, since changing editions turned out to be a bad business plan for WotC)
The devs have tweaked the core monk recently and have indicated that if the tweaks do not go far enough they will add more changes that do not require a complete class overhaul. I've run with this idea in this thread with some suggestions that don't appreciably change the word count in the CRB or nerf existing builds.
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Deliquescent gloves...8k gives me 1d6 acid damage, so there we go, that covers the lost damage. 3k to upgrade bracers back to +2, 1k for a +1 cloak and that leaves me 1k for potions.
1 Enlarge (250)
1 Fly (250)Thoughts? suggestions?
Maybe invisibility.
I can't really afford it unless I give up something else, so I'll just stick with what I have.
Just an update of my previous Ranger builds... This time using the appropriate WBL.
Male Half-Orc Ranger 10
LN Medium Humanoid (human, orc)
Init +3; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +18
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Defense
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AC 26, touch 14, flat-footed 23 (+8 armor, +4 shield, +3 Dex, +1 deflection)
hp 89 (10d10+30)
Fort +14 (+4 vs. hot or cold environments and to resist damage from suffocation), Ref +14, Will +10
Defensive Abilities evasion
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft.
Melee Heavy Shield Bash +16/+11 (1d4+6/x2) and
. . Unarmed strike +20/+15 (1d3+9/19-20/x2)
Ranged +1 Composite longbow (Str +6) +15/+10 (1d8+7/19-20/x3)
Special Attacks favored enemies (evil outsiders +2, monstrous humanoids +2, undead +6)
Ranger Spells Prepared (CL 9):
2 (2/day) Barkskin (x2)
1 (3/day) Longstrider, Resist Energy, Jump
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Statistics
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Str 22, Dex 16, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 8
Base Atk +10; CMB +16 (+18 Grappling); CMD 30
Feats Double Slice, Endurance, Furious Focus, Improved Critical (Unarmed strike), Improved Two-weapon Fighting, Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack -3/+6, Two-weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Unarmed strike)
Traits Indomitable Faith, Magical Knack (Ranger)
Skills Acrobatics +13, Bluff -1 (+1 vs. monstrous humanoids, +1 vs. evil outsiders, +5 vs. undead), Climb +12, Intimidate +14, Knowledge (dungeoneering) +13 (+15 vs. monstrous humanoids, +15 vs. evil outsiders, +19 vs. undead), Knowledge (nature) +13 (+15 vs. monstrous humanoids, +15 vs. evil outsiders, +19 vs. undead), Perception +18 (+20 vs. monstrous humanoids, +20 vs. evil outsiders, +24 vs. undead, +22 while in forest terrain, +20 while in urban terrain), Sense Motive +2 (+4 vs. monstrous humanoids, +4 vs. evil outsiders, +8 vs. undead), Stealth +18 (+22 while in forest terrain, +20 while in urban terrain), Survival +13 (+15 vs. monstrous humanoids, +15 vs. evil outsiders, +19 vs. undead, +17 while in forest terrain, +15 while in urban terrain, +18 to track), Swim +12 (+16 to resist nonlethal damage from exhaustion); Racial Modifiers +2 Intimidate
Languages Common, Orc
SQ brawling, combat styles (two-weapon combat), favored terrains (forest +4, urban +2), hunter's bonds (companions), swift tracker, track, wild empathy, woodland stride
Combat Gear Potion of enlarge person, Potion of fly, Potion of haste, Wand of cure light wounds; Other Gear +2 Brawling Mithral Breastplate, +2 Heavy wooden shield, +1 Composite longbow (Str +6), Amulet of mighty fists +1, Belt of physical perfection +2, Bracers of falcon's aim, Cloak of resistance +3, Headband of inspired wisdom +2, Ring of protection +1, Masterwork tool (Climb), Masterwork tool (Stealth), Masterwork tool (Swim), Weapon cord, 142 GP, 9 SP
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Special Abilities
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Brawling Unarmed strikes count as magic for bypassing DR.
Darkvision (60 feet) You can see in the dark (black and white vision only).
Endurance +4 to a variety of skill checks. Sleep in L/M armor with no fatigue.
Evasion (Ex) If you succeed at a Reflex save for half damage, you take none instead.
Favored Enemy (Evil Outsiders +2) (Ex) +2 to rolls vs Favored Enemy (Evil Outsiders).
Favored Enemy (Monstrous Humanoids +2) (Ex) +2 to rolls vs Favored Enemy (Monstrous Humanoids).
Favored Enemy (Undead +6) (Ex) +6 to rolls vs Favored Enemy (Undead).
Favored Terrain (Forest +4) (Ex) +4 to rolls vs Favored Terrain (Forest).
Favored Terrain (Urban +2) (Ex) +2 to rolls vs Favored Terrain (Urban).
Hunting Companions (2 rounds) (Ex) Grant half favored enemy bonus to allies in 30' as move action.
Improved Unarmed Strike Unarmed strikes don't cause attacks of opportunity, and can be lethal.
Magical Knack (Ranger) +2 CL for a specific class, to a max of your HD.
Power Attack -3/+6 You can subtract from your attack roll to add to your damage.
Swift Tracker (Ex) Tracking penalties when moving at normal speed or faster are reduced.
Track +5 Add the listed bonus to survival checks made to track.
Weapon cord Attached weapon can be recovered as a swift action.
Wild Empathy +9 (Ex) Improve the attitude of an animal, as if using Diplomacy.
Woodland Stride (Ex) Move through undergrowth at normal speed.
Holy shit! This guy's AC jumped to 26 before casting Barkskin! Using the spell, he gets AC 30! That's higher than I expected!
His DPR against AC 24 is 34.5 (40.6 with Power Attack) or 85,05 against his main favored enemy.
Male Half-Orc Ranger 10
LN Medium Humanoid (human, orc)
Init +3; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +15
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AC 23, touch 14, flat-footed 20 (+9 armor, +3 Dex, +1 deflection)
hp 79 (10d10+20)
Fort +13 (+4 vs. hot or cold environments and to resist damage from suffocation), Ref +14, Will +10
Defensive Abilities evasion
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Offense
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Speed 20 ft.
Melee +2 Silversheen Cestus +17/+12 (1d4+8/17-20/x2) and
. . +2 Silversheen Cestus +17/+12 (1d4+8/17-20/x2) and
. . Unarmed strike +16/+11 (1d3+6/x2)
Ranged +1 Composite longbow (Str +6) +14/+9 (1d8+7/x3)
Special Attacks favored enemies (evil outsiders +2, monstrous humanoids +2, undead +6)
Ranger Spells Prepared (CL 9):
2 (2/day) Barkskin (x2)
1 (3/day) Longstrider, Resist Energy (x2)
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Statistics
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Str 22, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 8
Base Atk +10; CMB +16; CMD 30
Feats Double Slice, Endurance, Furious Focus, Improved Critical (Cestus), Improved Two-weapon Fighting, Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack -3/+6, Two-weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Cestus)
Traits Indomitable Faith, Magical Knack (Ranger)
Skills Acrobatics +13 (+9 jump), Bluff -1 (+1 vs. monstrous humanoids, +1 vs. evil outsiders, +5 vs. undead), Climb +12, Intimidate +14, Knowledge (dungeoneering) +13 (+15 vs. monstrous humanoids, +15 vs. evil outsiders, +19 vs. undead), Knowledge (nature) +13 (+15 vs. monstrous humanoids, +15 vs. evil outsiders, +19 vs. undead), Perception +15 (+17 vs. monstrous humanoids, +17 vs. evil outsiders, +21 vs. undead, +19 while in forest terrain, +17 while in urban terrain), Sense Motive +2 (+4 vs. monstrous humanoids, +4 vs. evil outsiders, +8 vs. undead), Stealth +18 (+22 while in forest terrain, +20 while in urban terrain), Survival +13 (+15 to avoid becoming lost, +15 vs. monstrous humanoids, +15 vs. evil outsiders, +19 vs. undead, +17 while in forest terrain, +15 while in urban terrain, +18 to track), Swim +12 (+16 to resist nonlethal damage from exhaustion); Racial Modifiers +2 Intimidate
Languages Common, Orc
SQ combat styles (two-weapon combat), favored terrains (forest +4, urban +2), hunter's bonds (companions), swift tracker, track, wild empathy, woodland stride
Combat Gear Potion of enlarge person, Potion of fly, Potion of heroism, Wand of cure light wounds; Other Gear +3 Breastplate, +1 Composite longbow (Str +6), +2 Silversheen Cestus, +2 Silversheen Cestus, Belt of physical might (Str & Dex +2), Cloak of resistance +3, Headband of inspired wisdom +2, Ioun stone (clear spindle), Ring of protection +1, Wayfinder (1 @ 0 lbs), Masterwork tool (Climb), Masterwork tool (Stealth), Masterwork tool (Swim), Weapon cord, 139 GP, 9 SP
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Special Abilities
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Darkvision (60 feet) You can see in the dark (black and white vision only).
Endurance +4 to a variety of skill checks. Sleep in L/M armor with no fatigue.
Evasion (Ex) If you succeed at a Reflex save for half damage, you take none instead.
Favored Enemy (Evil Outsiders +2) (Ex) +2 to rolls vs Favored Enemy (Evil Outsiders).
Favored Enemy (Monstrous Humanoids +2) (Ex) +2 to rolls vs Favored Enemy (Monstrous Humanoids).
Favored Enemy (Undead +6) (Ex) +6 to rolls vs Favored Enemy (Undead).
Favored Terrain (Forest +4) (Ex) +4 to rolls vs Favored Terrain (Forest).
Favored Terrain (Urban +2) (Ex) +2 to rolls vs Favored Terrain (Urban).
Hunting Companions (2 rounds) (Ex) Grant half favored enemy bonus to allies in 30' as move action.
Improved Unarmed Strike Unarmed strikes don't cause attacks of opportunity, and can be lethal.
Ioun stone (clear spindle) Sustains bearer without food or water.
Magical Knack (Ranger) +2 CL for a specific class, to a max of your HD.
Power Attack -3/+6 You can subtract from your attack roll to add to your damage.
Swift Tracker (Ex) Tracking penalties when moving at normal speed or faster are reduced.
Track +5 Add the listed bonus to survival checks made to track.
Wayfinder (1 @ 0 lbs) A small magical device patterned off ancient relics of the Azlanti, a wayfinder is typically made from silver and bears gold accents. With a command word, you can use a wayfinder to shine (as the light spell). The wayfinder also acts as a nonmagical (magnetic) compass, granting you a +2 circumstance bonus on Survival checks to avoid becoming lost. All wayfinders include a small indentation designed to hold a single ioun stone.
Weapon cord Attached weapon can be recovered as a swift action.
Wild Empathy +9 (Ex) Improve the attitude of an animal, as if using Diplomacy.
Woodland Stride (Ex) Move through undergrowth at normal speed.
This guy's AC and damage went up a but, but nothing jaw-dropping. He also got a Wayfinder + Clear Spindle to boost his defenses against mind control.
Will saves is their only serious weakness, but it's a big one.