Basically this thread. Scott is the guy using the binoculars.
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Huh. Following the non-linky version, it tells me that the gif has been removed because it hasn't been uploaded in 60 days or something like that.
If I follow the linkified version McAffy security fusses at me, telling me that the site's suspicious.
Huh. Following the non-linky version, it tells me that the gif has been removed because it hasn't been uploaded in 60 days or something like that.
If I follow the linkified version McAffy security fusses at me, telling me that the site's suspicious.
I suggest liberal amounts of google chrome and AVG.
EDIT: I've found your problem. You have a virus pretending to be your virus protection.
Huh. Following the non-linky version, it tells me that the gif has been removed because it hasn't been uploaded in 60 days or something like that.
If I follow the linkified version McAffy security fusses at me, telling me that the site's suspicious.
I suggest liberal amounts of google chrome and AVG.
EDIT: I've found your problem. You have a virus pretending to be your virus protection.
Heh. You know, I feel the same way about Norton? I used to love it until it got so bloated it began to slow down my entire system and internet experience.
McAfee, so far, has been the exact opposite, keeping things running smoothly and cleanly. Interestingly, I've had less computer problems with it, too.
Also, I'm totally using Google Chrome. (Though I love Firefox for all the things Chrome just doesn't like doing.) :)
Anyway, slightly more on topic...
Scott, let me be a bit more clear on what I was saying about your arguments, taking only one example to save time (as I and others have tackled at least one more previously, though mine was in something of a snit).
A while back you noted that it seemed like this was a needless continuation of Console Wars, or some such. I never got that impression - quite the opposite, really, as I'm really keen on the Kinect in general, and have argued that it's a great and important step forward in the continuation of revolutionizing gaming against other "hard core" gamers, but this has soured me on it - and Microsoft - greatly.
On the other hand, despite your earlier protests to the contrary, your adamant defense in the face of overwhelming rejection, makes you kind of come off as a "Microsoft Fanboy" in re-reading the posts; again, I'm not claiming that you are, but the tone and general presentation seems to imply this. This is one of the reasons that you're accused of being a shill: you seem adamantly devoted to the cause of a console many find to be moving and planning disturbing and unpleasant elements. In this way, it looks like you're being in a nerd rage over others "bashing your console" (while claiming others are in a nerd rage, some of which may even be true).
To be more clear (I hope), I don't think this is the case. I legitimately believe that you're just trying to tell people to "Calm down and wait." But the problem is, it's not coming off that way, based not only on the things that Microsoft and other people say about you, but the way you respond to them, personally, either by argumentation or by using dismissive tactics. Continuing to attempt to argue your case by following the method you currently are is going to net you nothing but more of the same results.
That's the source of my recommendation that you wait or let it drop. If, on the other hand, you can come up with a different, less inflammatory way of presenting your case, go for it. But if not, the only thing that will come of it is continued frustration and irritation on your part as well as the part of those that you disagree with.
To clarify: if you want to continue the debate, I'd recommend against continued broad-sweeping generalizations and denigration of those who disagree with you or can't find utility to the console as well as finding a rational way past the mental and emotional barriers that your previous insistence on Microsoft's general "rightness" have kind of intensified. No, I don't know how to do that. Thus my earlier recommendation.
And everyone else: whether he is or not, and whether you believe him to be or not, let's give Scott the benefit of the doubt and treat him like a person who's not trying to shill or sell us something or be elitist. The last one's a bit tough sometimes, but I'm sure, given time and level headed space, he'll pull through.
We cool? 'Cause dudes: twelve pages of "all but five people telling Scott he's wrong" is kind of a lot of pages of "all but five people telling Scott he's wrong"*. You know? :)
* And one of those I'm not sure counts, as they were mostly arguing that Valve is "just as bad" as Microsoft.
EDIT: Because words.
TV? (I'm late to this conversation.)SPOATS SPOATS SPOATS SPOATS
Watercooler.
let's give Scott the benefit of the doubt and treat him like a person who's not trying to shill or sell us something or be elitist.
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Now this is just poor form. Do you really expect me to believe that you can't read?I no longer have any idea what you're talking about.So what else do we want RAM for on our gaming console aside from games and will doing that instead of playing a game, comes anywhere close to using 8gigs or anything?1080p video chat, movie watching, voice chat, running multiple apps simultaneously, handling Kinect data, recording gameplay videos, etc.
A better question is, perhaps: Why is the console's ability to display sharper textures the only thing you seem to care about?
Is that what you define as being better for games???
I expect higher tier non-legit-ness from you. Don't contradict yourself.
Alright, but I won't go a penny lower than eighty cents a bushel!
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let's give Scott the benefit of the doubt and treat him like a person who's not trying to shill or sell us something or be elitist.No
My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a troll.
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My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a troll.
My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a nerd rager.
Its Pot... Kettle and stuff. In your defense Mr. Betts, you have calmed down the last few pages.
My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a troll.My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a nerd rager.
Its Pot... Kettle and stuff. In your defense Mr. Betts, you have calmed down the last few pages.
This is more or less my point, by the way. Also, I do hope you're not referring to me, Scott. I think not, but, you know, it's a little unclear.
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On the other hand, despite your earlier protests to the contrary, your adamant defense in the face of overwhelming rejection, makes you kind of come off as a "Microsoft Fanboy" in re-reading the posts; again, I'm not claiming that you are, but the tone and general presentation seems to imply this
And yet I'd be termed pretty lukewarm by any actual Microsoft fanboy, because I'm not all that gung-ho about them (or any console manufacturer, for that matter).
The reason it seems like I'm a Microsoft fanboy is because any defense of Microsoft - even a token one - is such a stark contrast from the insane levels of corporate bashing, borderline paranoia, and ignorant bandwagoning that define this thread.
I mean, really, think about it: the most glowing thing I've said about the Xbox One is, "The Kinect looks kind of cool, but I want to see what the games are like before I make up my mind."
I think my conduct has been fine - quite patient, in fact, given the vitriol that anyone who dares to speak a kind word about the Xbox One here is treated to (see: me being called a shill, twice, in the same thread). And there's a report system you're welcome to use if you believe otherwise.
You need to really reexamine how you are coming at this, when someone with even minor disagreements with your viewpoint (a viewpoint that, let's be honest, is supported largely by people who are putting stock in rumors and paranoid speculation) is singled out, called a shill, and told to leave the discussion. You should be able to handle disagreement, especially given how popular your point of view seems to be on the internet. And you should be encouraging examination of the debate, if for no other reason than that the people supporting your point of view have been factually incorrect on a number of important points of discussion.
This is more or less my point, by the way. Also, I do hope you're not referring to me, Scott. I think not, but, you know, it's a little unclear.
My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a troll.My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a nerd rager.
Its Pot... Kettle and stuff. In your defense Mr. Betts, you have calmed down the last few pages.
Nope, just Marthkus. But I think he should stick around anyway. He gives the thread some color.
My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a nerd rager.
My favorite internet forum user: the kind who labels anyone who disagrees with him a troll.
Okay.
You're not a nerd rager.
Burn the shill the with fire or acid!!!
Man that would be awesome. Being paid for selling hardware on the PAIZO forums. For as little as 10 bucks, I too would defend MS policy until the thread dies.
I AM ACCEPTING OFFERS!!!
Burn the shill the with fire or acid!!!
Man that would be awesome. Being paid for selling hardware on the PAIZO forums. For as little as 10 bucks, I too would defend MS policy until the thread dies.
I AM ACCEPTING OFFERS!!!
Oh man I make way more than $10/hour. No need to settle for less than you deserve.
Oh man I make way more than $10/hour. No need to settle for less than you deserve.Burn the shill the with fire or acid!!!
Man that would be awesome. Being paid for selling hardware on the PAIZO forums. For as little as 10 bucks, I too would defend MS policy until the thread dies.
I AM ACCEPTING OFFERS!!!
Yeah but I post on these boards FOR FREE!
Any amount of money will do.
I prefer keeping my TV setup the way it is using the HDMI ports and using my remote to flip between consoles and cable box. I don't want to have to turn on the Xbox, wait through a load screen, sign in, etc just to get to my cable show.The expectation seems to be that your Xbox will remain in a "standby" mode most of the time (you will typically not turn it completely off) and will be ready to activate more or less instantaneously, including with voice commands.
Despite what I said earlier I'm coming around to liking the idea of the control this allows, as long as it doesn't attempt to replace my receiver.
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On the other hand, despite your earlier protests to the contrary, your adamant defense in the face of overwhelming rejection, makes you kind of come off as a "Microsoft Fanboy" in re-reading the posts; again, I'm not claiming that you are, but the tone and general presentation seems to imply thisAnd yet I'd be termed pretty lukewarm by any actual Microsoft fanboy, because I'm not all that gung-ho about them (or any console manufacturer, for that matter).
The reason it seems like I'm a Microsoft fanboy is because any defense of Microsoft - even a token one - is such a stark contrast from the insane levels of corporate bashing, borderline paranoia, and ignorant bandwagoning that define this thread.
I mean, really, think about it: the most glowing thing I've said about the Xbox One is, "The Kinect looks kind of cool, but I want to see what the games are like before I make up my mind."
I think my conduct has been fine - quite patient, in fact, given the vitriol that anyone who dares to speak a kind word about the Xbox One here is treated to (see: me being called a shill, twice, in the same thread). And there's a report system you're welcome to use if you believe otherwise.
You need to really reexamine how you are coming at this, when someone with even minor disagreements with your viewpoint (a viewpoint that, let's be honest, is supported largely by people who are putting stock in rumors and paranoid speculation) is singled out, called a shill, and told to leave the discussion. You should be able to handle disagreement, especially given how popular your point of view seems to be on the internet. And you should be encouraging examination of the debate, if for no other reason than that the people supporting your point of view have been factually incorrect on a number of important points of discussion.
You've also tried to convince us that DRM is a good and necessary thing. I'm curious if you could link me an article that shows DRM reduces piracy.
Despite what I said earlier I'm coming around to liking the idea of the control this allows, as long as it doesn't attempt to replace my receiver.I prefer keeping my TV setup the way it is using the HDMI ports and using my remote to flip between consoles and cable box. I don't want to have to turn on the Xbox, wait through a load screen, sign in, etc just to get to my cable show.The expectation seems to be that your Xbox will remain in a "standby" mode most of the time (you will typically not turn it completely off) and will be ready to activate more or less instantaneously, including with voice commands.
Oh yeah the Xbone sounds like a great way to watch TV!
Now if only I watched TV...
You've also tried to convince us that DRM is a good and necessary thing. I'm curious if you could link me an article that shows DRM reduces piracy.
The only stats I've seen is that any attempted to limit piracy only increases piracy, unless you turn that limiting factor into a convenience for the user(steam).
You've also tried to convince us that DRM is a good and necessary thing. I'm curious if you could link me an article that shows DRM reduces piracy.The only stats I've seen is that any attempted to limit piracy only increases piracy, unless you turn that limiting factor into a convenience for the user(steam).
That's very likely what Microsoft is aiming for (re-selling of licenses, digital purchases, replacing used market with discounted games, etc.).
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Piracy and sales #5. That one runs counter to the others, but I find the short article to be lacking in some details.
Piracy and sales #6. This one is back on track with the first four.
Do a web search for yourself. If you do "piracy hurts sales" on Google, the first two links right now are people from HBO admitting piracy helps the show.
The only reasons I thought you worked for Microsoft (which you haven't denied) is that you seemed fairly rabid about supporting that company. Such loyalty is usually most common either in fans or employees. And by employee I don't mean someone paid to say good things but rather perhaps a programmer or such working there. The other reason is the only people I have encountered to date that think leasing software is better than buying it are those directly benefiting from the increased profits when people have to pay twice or more for the same software.
Going on record to say I'm a fan of Microsoft. I love windows and still use my trusty Sidewinder X5 gaming mouse. I even have a second X5 for my super G74SX laptop. That said I'm definitely not a fan of the new xbox.
Just saying. I don't want any misconceptions about my like or dislike of Microsoft.
Greater bandwidth is always welcomed.
Do we even know the memory bandwidth of either system? It's a fairly meaningless discussion if the only number we know is the one at the end of DDR.
If you don't use the highest bandwith you can...what's the point?
Well.
It's not like 8GM memory is the most memory that would physically fit in the box. There's all sorts of reasons why neither of these systems ship with 2TB memory. :p
There's also all sorts of reasons why you might not use the highest bandwith imaginable.
Most of the times those reasons come down to finances.
Either way, they may very well use the same bandwidth, but since we don't seem to know (at least my five minutes of googling didn't find anything) any specifics beyond "8GB DDRX" it's pretty meaningless to discuss which is better, since there are a lot of contributing factors and we have no idea if everything else is identical.
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The only reasons I thought you worked for Microsoft (which you haven't denied) is that you seemed fairly rabid about supporting that company. Such loyalty is usually most common either in fans or employees. And by employee I don't mean someone paid to say good things but rather perhaps a programmer or such working there. The other reason is the only people I have encountered to date that think leasing software is better than buying it are those directly benefiting from the increased profits when people have to pay twice or more for the same software.
In Scott's defense, bizarre I know, he's like this about everything. His only reason to tolerate libraries, as stated in another thread, is tradition - they've been around too long to get rid of. Otherwise, he'd be just as much in favor of getting rid of the practice of lending and loaning books as he is ending the second-hand game sale/lending market.
He just, for some reason most people - myself included - cannot fathom, does not believe it is morally right to ever get the experience of something that you, personally, have not shelled out money for to the original creator.
Then he really should watch this video.
I think the developers (and retailers) deserve more money for the game they made (and distributed) than the publishers, yet that rarely seems to be the case.
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The only thing that really bothers me is that some of the console exclusive games are actually pretty good. I am kinda sad that i missed them all, since i haven't purchased a console since sega genesis and don't intend to.
We have a PS3 and a Wii in the house, and that's allowed me to enjoy a few exclusives (MARIO GALAXY 1 and 2, FINAL FANTASY XIII - which was terrible - and soon RED DEAD REDEMPTION and maybe UNCHARTED), but none of them have really blown me away. I played a bit of HALO 3 on a friend's 360 and whilst it was good, it was not great.
The only console exclusive I really missed was ALAN WAKE, which then had its exclusive status revoked and came out on the PC in a significantly superior form anyway, so that worked out well :)
A company absolutely has the right to try and control their public image.
I agree with this. It's Microsoft's own YouTube channel, if they don't want comments there, that's up to them. I'd argue that Microsoft should perhaps be trying to control their public image by engaging more with criticisms and giving out more information, but at the end of the day it's their choice. And it's not like there aren't thousands of other YouTube channels and websites which do allow feedback and discussion.
Torrenting itself is not illegal.
The act in general isn't, and many companies use legal torrent systems (Blizzard, most notably). However, the specific discussion was about someone receiving a torrent link to Season 3 of GAME OF THRONES, which very definitely IS illegal.
They went from "The" console to a distant 3rd.
Nintendo won the last generation, with 25 million more sales than either Microsoft or Sony. Their console was also profitable throughout 100% of its lifespan. They've won EVERY handheld generation. Nintendo have done very, very well. Even WiiU hasn't been an unmitigated disaster despite some efforts to spin it as such: Nintendo projected first quarter sales of 4 million and got about 3 million. Disappointing, but the company is robust enough to absorb it without too much trouble.
Given that Sony are in trouble due to the collapse of their non-console business, I'd currently rate it that Nintendor are more likely to survive the next generation than Sony are (and I would not rule out Sony being bought out by Samsung and the next PlayStation coming out from that company instead).
If you want to know the truth, there are numerous reasons why the odds overwhelming favor Valve winning again despite the additions to the law.
Valve will continue as they always have done in the USA. However, they will not in Europe. The law has been changed specifically to deal with the problems of digital DRM and the inability to resell games (a clear violation of both Europe-wide and individual country retail practices). Valve are fighting it at the moment, but they really have nowhere left to go.
Judging by Amazon, this is how much it will cost
Ouch
It's a placeholder price. Amazon whacks them in and at usually anything up to 50% higher than the RRP so they can then reduce the price later on when the real thing is revealed.
If the XB1 really is £599 and the PS4 is any cheaper, than Sony will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Isn't that [graphical/CPU power] all we care about?
No. The PS2 was the weakest console of its generation and outsold the Dreamcast and Original X-Box comprehensively. The Wii was by far the weakest console of its generation and outsold the others by a lot.
Having superior firepower under the hood [/mixed metaphor] is a nice boost, but it doesn't always help. What will happen is that the developers will make the game to work on the weakest system and port it, whilst the more powerful console will sit there with unused capacity (apart from for exclusives).
So the evidence is overwhelmingly that technical superiority is not what gamers care about at all. It just has to be 'good enough' to power some good games, not good enough to melt your retinas out of their sockets. And to be frank, no console gamer in their right mind would ever want that: if they did, they'd be gaming on a liquid nitrogren-cooled PC with three Titans in SLI configuration and playing the photo-realism mods for SKYRIM and GRAND THEFT AUTO IV at 4K and 120fps, until their game is interrupted by the PC acquiring sentience and conquering the Internet (apart from those 25% of console owners who aren't connected, who will have the last laugh after all :) ).
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until their game is interrupted by the PC acquiring sentience and conquering the Internet
GLORY TO THE MANY.
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Just as an aside (and since the pejorative term was applied to me, personally)
Paranoia:
Noun
A mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically worked...
Suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.
Now, given the idea that having a (assumed to be always on) webcam & microphone directed specifically into the prime living space of a person's home, that hardly seems "without justification."
For the same reason one should put passwords on a WiFi router, lock one's car or house door, utilize web-security software, and close any open ports in one's internet-accessible computers, one should probably NOT allow a potentially open and unrestricted CAMERA and MICROPHONE to be directed into one's living space.
If that's paranoid, then so is locking your car when you park on the street, or using anti-virus software.
Will the kindle/ipad be the death of nintendo? Might just be my local friends and family but i have noticed that my kids/their friends spend a lot more time playing minecraft/Sims/other downloadable games on their kindle fires than they do playing mario/etc on the wii or the 3ds.
who of the big three is predicted by experts to fail first?
Will the kindle/ipad be the death of nintendo? Might just be my local friends and family but i have noticed that my kids/their friends spend a lot more time playing minecraft/Sims/other downloadable games on their kindle fires than they do playing mario/etc on the wii or the 3ds.
who of the big three is predicted by experts to fail first?
To the first: it's possible, but unlikely to be this generation.
To the second: from what I understand, Sony's in the most trouble, financially.
Just as an aside (and since the pejorative term was applied to me, personally)
Paranoia:
Noun
A mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically worked...
Suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.Now, given the idea that having a (assumed to be always on) webcam & microphone directed specifically into the prime living space of a person's home, that hardly seems "without justification."
For the same reason one should put passwords on a WiFi router, lock one's car or house door, utilize web-security software, and close any open ports in one's internet-accessible computers, one should probably NOT allow a potentially open and unrestricted CAMERA and MICROPHONE to be directed into one's living space.
If that's paranoid, then so is locking your car when you park on the street, or using anti-virus software.
Hell, on last nights local news they were running a story about a computer virus designed to blackmail people using images from their webcams.
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Will the kindle/ipad be the death of nintendo? Might just be my local friends and family but i have noticed that my kids/their friends spend a lot more time playing minecraft/Sims/other downloadable games on their kindle fires than they do playing mario/etc on the wii or the 3ds.
who of the big three is predicted by experts to fail first?
I think it's more likely that Nintendo will release a tablet-like version of a handheld console to compete. Also, if Nintendo were to heavy drop out of the console race, I think they'd do a Sega and continue as a software publisher for the other consoles. Nintendo's character portfolio is simply way too huge, popular and lucrative for them to go under. Hell, if they ever got into too much trouble Disney would probably just buy them. Nintendo haven't had a great time of it recently, but they are also a fairly sensible and robust company, and are not likely to simple vanish or collapse overnight.
Sony is in trouble as a company overall, although the console division has been doing okay (if not as great as they did in the PS2 days). Sony's suffered a lot from their consumer electronics division simply failing to excite anyone for a long time. Sales of their TVs and audio equipment have been falling for years, and their failure to get on the MP3 bandwagon early on has hurt their brand. Sony are also unlikely to die completely, but they are ripe for a takeover - probably from Samsung - if things carry on the way they are.
Microsoft have been hammered by their failure to get on either smartphones or tablets early enough, and the miserable response to Windows 8. Their reputation has been battered by a whole host of crazy decisions. They're still incredibly wealthy, however. It's possible that XB1 could be a colossal failure and they could still weather it.
Not only would MS weather an Xbone failure, they'd probably barely notice it (relatively speaking, of course). From what I understand, their console stuff is just a drop in the bucket for them.
And Sony's console division has been doing quite well (in recent years). It was no coincidence that the head of their console division became head of all of Sony.
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The only reasons I thought you worked for Microsoft (which you haven't denied) is that you seemed fairly rabid about supporting that company.
Right - why does it seem that way to you? I haven't said that everyone should get an Xbox One. I haven't even said that I will be getting an Xbox One. I haven't said that it's a better console than the PS4, nor have I crapped on the PS4 to make the Xbox One look better. The most I've done is argue that Microsoft's decisions re: the Xbox One are not the huge deal that the internet has made them out to be.
So, again, here's my question:
Why is it that my fairly token defense of Microsoft's decisions is, in your head, transformed into rabid support? Is it possible that the echo chamber effect is leading you to believe that anyone who disagrees with the mob's viewpoint must have opinions that are equally inflamed, even when that is not the case?
And, for the record (since you seem to care, and because you're hovering dangerously close to Glenn Beck-ian "If it isn't true why doesn't he deny it?" territory), no, I don't work for Microsoft. Or EA. Or WotC. Or the Democratic Party.
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In Scott's defense, bizarre I know, he's like this about everything. His only reason to tolerate libraries, as stated in another thread, is tradition - they've been around too long to get rid of.
That's not why I support libraries. At all. I support libraries because we, as a society, have decided that the uninhibited (or mostly uninhibited) spread of information such as that contained in books is a clear societal good whose value outweighs the societal good of ensuring that people are duly compensated for their work. I daresay that's probably why you support libraries, too.
If this is what you speaking in my defense looks like, I think I'll stick to defending myself.
The only reasons I thought you worked for Microsoft (which you haven't denied) is that you seemed fairly rabid about supporting that company.Right - why does it seem that way to you? I haven't said that everyone should get an Xbox One. I haven't even said that I will be getting an Xbox One. I haven't said that it's a better console than the PS4, nor have I crapped on the PS4 to make the Xbox One look better. The most I've done is argue that Microsoft's decisions re: the Xbox One are not the huge deal that the internet has made them out to be.
So, again, here's my question:
Why is it that my fairly token defense of Microsoft's decisions is, in your head, transformed into rabid support? Is it possible that the echo chamber effect is leading you to believe that anyone who disagrees with the mob's viewpoint must have opinions that are equally inflamed, even when that is not the case?
And, for the record (since you seem to care, and because you're hovering dangerously close to Glenn Beck-ian "If it isn't true why doesn't he deny it?" territory), no, I don't work for Microsoft. Or EA. Or WotC. Or the Democratic Party.
Hmmm... I guess because you were SO quick to dismiss anyone's complaints against Microsoft, whether the complaints were well informed or not. Constantly and repeatedly defending something can seem rabid in the face of so much criticism, whether the critics are right or not.
Considering Nintendo's cash/debt ratio is ridiculously amazing, I think they'll be able to weather a whole generation of being behind if required. They've done well at making more accessible products and grabbing more market share because of it, the Wii U isn't doing well, but it's far from the end for them.
They have $2 million in debt, compared to MS's $13 billion and Sony's $14 billion.
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Considering Nintendo's cash/debt ratio is ridiculously amazing, I think they'll be able to weather a whole generation of being behind if required. They've done well at making more accessible products and grabbing more market share because of it, the Wii U isn't doing well, but it's far from the end for them.
They have $2 million in debt, compared to MS's $13 billion and Sony's $14 billion.
My gut feeling is Nintendo will be launching a lot of exclusives developed in house. Nintendo has a lot of resources that are not in play yet, so I will not call them out of the running.
The recent listing of Mirror's Edge 2 on Xbox1, but no PS4 listing might mean a Microsoft paid for exclusive. This would be a big deal for me.
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Right - why does it seem that way to you? I haven't said that everyone should get an Xbox One. I haven't even said that I will be getting an Xbox One. I haven't said that it's a better console than the PS4, nor have I crapped on the PS4 to make the Xbox One look better. The most I've done is argue that Microsoft's decisions re: the Xbox One are not the huge deal that the internet has made them out to be.
Scott, you said you were "probably" getting one (I kind of thought it was due to wanting to have the reality you dreamed of in childhood, or something, but I can't find that post right now), which isn't that far off. That said, you also said you'd buy a PS4 for the same reason.
"I will probably end up purchasing both consoles."
So, you know. There's good reason to presume you will.
So, again, here's my question:
Why is it that my fairly token defense of Microsoft's decisions is, in your head, transformed into rabid support? Is it possible that the echo chamber effect is leading you to believe that anyone who disagrees with the mob's viewpoint must have opinions that are equally inflamed, even when that is not the case?
Because in your "fairly token" defense, you took it upon yourself to casually dismiss and insult those who disagreed with you in ways that seem both elitist and condescending instead of in any way humble or actually open to thinking that people might disagree with you.
"Paranoid"
"Rabid"
"Echo-chamber"
"Trivial"
"Bandwagoning" plus "not a lot of thought"
Add that to things like (intentionally or not) blaming people for their local infrastructure (by implicating it's "their choice" to live there), casually looking up posting history for the sole purpose of dismissing someone as exaggerated and/or lying, on a number of occasions making broad statements that favor Microsoft above other companies or the general public in a casual and cold manner ("adapt or go under", "I guess sacrifices will have to be made", and the like), and so on.
Also posts like...
By the way, everyone should watch this video about the new Kinect technology.
I mean, come on. That stuff is incredible.
... and...
I'm a gamer. I love Kinect. I use my 360 as a media center.
... do make you look like a fan.
And, for the record (since you seem to care, and because you're hovering dangerously close to Glenn Beck-ian "If it isn't true why doesn't he deny it?" territory), no, I don't work for Microsoft. Or EA. Or WotC. Or the Democratic Party.
But you did work for the DP once as a volunteer! You said so! AHA! I CAUGHT you, Betts! I caught you RED HANDED! ... or something. I dunno, it seemed like the right thing to say, or something.
Okay, that may be reaching a bit. :)
Here's the thing, Scott. You disagree with a lot of people. That's your right. But you're dismissing valid criticism and invalid criticism with the same seeming-arrogance and it causes vitriol and frustration as a result.
Like so many other threads, I find myself understanding what Scott says and why he says it, but being completely turned off by *how* he says it (whether I disagree or not). :PYou're only turned off because you can't see me typing all this out. I can do such naughty things with a keyboard.
That's a perfect example right there. You irritate someone who potentially agrees with you and when they point out that you might want to mitigate how you give the message (instead of criticizing your message), you turn it into a one-off joke, continue what you were doing before, and then wonder why people are frustrated at you.
Yeah, people aren't always treating you fairly. But right now, you're the minority, which means you've got the most hurdles to overcome and the most proof to provide. So. Respond to the points, but don't do it in a way that belittles the people that make those points (or anyone else). Apologize for when you do (instead of insisting on innocence). Give off an attitude of humility rather than of arrogance. It'll help a lot.
Heck, I know I've been arrogant in this thread. I apologize.
I suppose that's why pride's one of the deadliest sins because it's one of the easiest and most seductive. It comes in the most varied and weird forms. And it irritates most everyone else.
EDIT: ninja'd (as normal) by a day (a little longer than normal). Also, as normal, more eloquently done. One day I'll get better. One day. :)
I was basically set to buy the new x-box as it came out but press so far has me unenthused.
No backwards compatability is a negative (although was more hopeful than expectful).
The TV options are a negative. I have a Samsung smart TV for that (and who knows whether they will work smoothly together). And at the rate smart TVs are developing and their costs are reducing I think the bulk of people will be replacing old TVs with smart TVs when it becomes time to do so.
The constant internet is a negative. Jitters in connections are rare but annoying and this just seems like another thing to amplify that annoyance.
The kinnect I'm neutral on (unless and insofar as the always on kinnect makes other things difficult in which case it would become a negative).
Position on renting games is negative although not an immense one. There goes the lovefilm subscription for games though.
Don't really care about Call of Duty, FIFA, Halo etc I'm looking for the better gaming experience than the slight difference in games.
I'm not pushed toward a PS4 (glitches and issues with the Sony store from the current generation have soured me there). But basically some neutrals and negatives to balance against being able to play new generation games. So I'll wait and see whether new games are worth getting rather than being an early adopter. If anything I'm now vastly more interested in the steam box.
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In Scott's defense, bizarre I know, he's like this about everything. His only reason to tolerate libraries, as stated in another thread, is tradition - they've been around too long to get rid of.That's not why I support libraries. At all. I support libraries because we, as a society, have decided that the uninhibited (or mostly uninhibited) spread of information such as that contained in books is a clear societal good whose value outweighs the societal good of ensuring that people are duly compensated for their work. I daresay that's probably why you support libraries, too.
If this is what you speaking in my defense looks like, I think I'll stick to defending myself.
Every library I have been in the past 10 years carries video games and movies. I argue that other media is just as important to spread for societal good. I disagree that the copy purchased by the library (or anyone) and spread threw many people causes any harm to the content creators, and challenge you to find any actual evidence that it does. Plenty of counterarguments have been shown already in this thread.