Can I get 5 Natural Attacks in Wildshape?


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Hey guys, just had a quick question. I'm working on a simple melee Druid Wildshape build right now, starting as a Human Druid, then working towards Barbarian, then maybe Fighter later. I know that most Druids of this kind take two levels of Barbarian for Lesser Fiend Totem to get a gore attack, bringing them up to 4 Natural Attacks with a Dire Tiger or Allosaurus Wildshape. Is there a way to gain another Natural Attack by dipping into a class or taking some sort of feat?

Here are a few details of the build.

Stats (20 point buy)
Str 18 (16+2)
Dex 17 (15+2)
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 12
Cha 7

I obtain +2 in two stats by using the Dual Talent racial trait for humans, found in the ARG.

Traits:
Scholar of the Great Beyond (Knowledge(Planes) as a class skill)
Carefully Hidden

Feats:
1: Toughness
3: Power Attack
5: Planar Wildshape
7: Shaping Focus (I won't get Wildshape II until level 7)
7A: Fighter Bonus Feat: Furious Focus?
8+: ???

Levels 1-4: Druid with Animal Companion
Levels 5-6: Barbarian for Lesser Fiend Totem
Levels 7+ : Possibly Fighter for feats, or Barbarian for more Rage

Unfortunately, this character is currently Level 3, as I didn't think of gaining more Natural Attacks until a few days ago, but I doubt it'll make much of a difference. Thanks for any input you guys might have :D

Liberty's Edge

I would advice you to take Shaping focus at lvl 5 and Planar Wildshape at 7. Getting Wildshape II is more vital. Pounce is truly that good in my opinion.

Getting 5+ attacks in wildshape:
Pick the best medium shape^^ Deinonychus.
Pick the lesser beast totem + lesser Fiend totem.
Now when you full attack and Rage your attack sequence is the following:
Gore, 2 Talons, 2 Claws, Bite


The APG FAQ states different Totem trees can't be taken together

Liberty's Edge

Brian Lefebvre wrote:

The APG FAQ states different Totem trees can't be taken together

Oh... I had missed that FAQ. Then though rage powers and wild shape the maximum amount of attack seems to be 5.

Dark Archive

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I still like my tengu rogue with 3 natural attacks from level 1...


Wildshape into a giant octopus.

That's 9 natural attacks right there... all with reach.

Now you just need to find a workaround for the no water thing =)

Silver Crusade

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some kind of aquarium on a wagon that your animal companion pulls...


If your DM allows dinosaurs go with Deinonychus, it has five separate attacks (two with a -5 penalty). I have a level 9 Druid (Saurian Shaman) / level 1 Fighter who has been using this form for several levels. Even though I can put out more damage in other forms I just love the RP aspect of playing essentially a sentient raptor. Try to get someone in your group to play a bard as each of your attacks will benefit from their performance buff to damage.

Liberty's Edge

Patricius wrote:
If your DM allows dinosaurs go with Deinonychus, it has five separate attacks (two with a -5 penalty). I have a level 9 Druid (Saurian Shaman) / level 1 Fighter who has been using this form for several levels. Even though I can put out more damage in other forms I just love the RP aspect of playing essentially a sentient raptor. Try to get someone in your group to play a bard as each of your attacks will benefit from their performance buff to damage.

If my copy of the Bestiary is correct The Deinonychus only has 4 attacks and one of them is a secondary attack. I think you've misunderstood the foreclaws attack.

What I am suggestion is that you use the fact that this beast has a weak secondary attack with its "claws" therefore changing it into two claws is quite advantageous.

And since Byrhtnoth wants to use it for Society being medium will help.

Grand Lodge

EvilMinion wrote:

Wildshape into a giant octopus.

That's 9 natural attacks right there... all with reach.

Now you just need to find a workaround for the no water thing =)

You don't gain the aquatic subtype, so there is no fear of dying out of water.

Check out the Polymorph rules.


The deinychus in the bestiary (unlike the animal companion) has the attacks Melee 2 talons +5 (1d8+2),bite +5 (1d6+2), foreclaws +0 (1d4+1)meaning they have 4 attacks, not 5 (and the foreclaws are secondary)


Hey guys, thanks for all the advice.

I know the Deinonychus has 4 attacks, but it seems a bit silly to not take advantage of the size modifiers for being larger, although using the Lesser Beast totem instead of the Lesser Fiend totem for two claw attacks with this dinosaur seems like a very interesting idea. The issue with that is that I'll have to find a Huge creature at level 8 that has 3 attacks, but no claws..hrm.

Also, Diviner, is pounce really that good? I mean, yes it is obviously, but the DR 5 and energy resistance from Planar wildshape should make me invincible through levels 5 and 6, then I can just pick it up at level 7. Sorry if this is a silly question, I'm new to this. :p

Blackbloodtroll, so you're telling me that once I hit level 6, I can just be a giant octopus and run around with 9+ natural attacks with grab, and also have reach? That's hilarious, and also seems a little broken. I suppose the issue is that the tentacles are all secondary attacks, and it doesn't seem like I can get the multiattack feat in PFS.


Rake is usually two claw attacks so the pounce/rake cats and the allosaurus have 5 attacks on a pounce.


Atarlost wrote:
Rake is usually two claw attacks so the pounce/rake cats and the allosaurus have 5 attacks on a pounce.

Oh...so that's why they're so good. How often am I charging though? Once per encounter? I can deal some serious hurt to one enemy then, but then my combat ability goes down a bit.


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Pounce is one of the best attack abilities around. I think you need Beast Shape III to get the rakes though. With your gore that's 6 attacks on a pounce from a saber tooth tiger with horns. I suspect that this will do more damage than 10 attacks from a horned octopus since 8 of those are secondary. It isn't very hard to set up charges if the party is cooperative. Later on Air Walk can also help a lot.

Furious Focus only works with two-handed weapons, so I doubt it will help you here. The Boon Companion feat is like Shaping Focus for the animal companion (+4 levels up to your HD), so I'd highly suggest it. If you're taking Barbarian levels and don't like dying you'll also probably want Raging Vitality.

If the idea of aggravating the DM and other players by being a flying octopus really amuses you maybe you could take levels in Rogue instead of Fighter and Barbarian. If you have your animal companion concentrate on flanking you could do a LOT of sneak attack damage. The idea of an octopus sneaking into places and stealing things also seems vaguely amusing to me.


https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/bestiary/monster-listings/anima ls/pterosaur/pterosaur-quetzalcoatlus

Huge Size

No pounce, but does have flight
One bite
Two Wings
Two Claws with lesser beast totem
One gore with helm of the mammoth lord


the Diviner wrote:

If my copy of the Bestiary is correct The Deinonychus only has 4 attacks and one of them is a secondary attack. I think you've misunderstood the foreclaws attack.

What I am suggestion is that you use the fact that this beast has a weak secondary attack with its "claws" therefore changing it into two claws is quite advantageous.

And since Byrhtnoth wants to use it for Society being medium will help.

Looks like you are right. We have been doing that wrong for a long time now. I will have to let my DM know. : )


I don't think Helm of the mammoth lord would not provide an attack in wild shape as it would become part of the new shape.


Get a Wyvern Cloak.


Satchmo wrote:
I don't think Helm of the mammoth lord would not provide an attack in wild shape as it would become part of the new shape.

It's arguable since they're supposed to retain their functionality.

Regardless, assuming you wild shaped before combat like the 3.5 druids did, you could have someone put it on you after you wild shape.


There is a feat which makes you celestial in your wild shape and if I recall you can get 1 smite a day with that .... On a pounce with 5 attacks as a dire lion, you can shut down a final boss really fast ;)

Edit: Planar wild shape , that's the name of it :)

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