Best class to add to a party of 4 in Shattered Star


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The party consists of the following characters:

Human Monk 2 (ok, but not optimized)
Human Witch 2 (very optimized)
Human Paladin (Holy Gun) 2 (ok, but not optimized)
Human Rogue 2 (ok, but not optimized)

What do you think would be a good class to add to this party?

They appear to need more melee support and there is only one caster.

My first thoughts are the following:
Dwarf Inquisitor
Dwarf Cleric (perhaps cave or earth domain type)
Dwarf Druid

I thought of Dwarf because they go well with the 3 classes that I listed and they have darkvision. That might prove useful in a party of all humans.

25 point buy
2 extra skill points per level.

I'm curious as to what others think.


In that team I would go with a varisian oracle of heavens! Adds some always welcomed healing power,crowd control,divinations and later, firepower with the lightning spells, plus you fly high in the sky, what's not to like!
I think it would be perfect with your team.


Wizard, Sorcerer, or Bard (the latter emphasizes spells).

Your Arcane spellcasting sucks, you have a melee and missile monkey already, and you have trap foiling capacity. You have basically an amped up Adept (Witch) as your only real spellcasting, with the Paladin sorta trying to help on the Clerical side.

the 2 extra skill points is way too much. Delete that, and make available a feat that does the same thing as Toughness, but for skill points.


Partially it depends on what kind of archetype the witch is playing, and how high the paladin's charisma will be.

I disagree with Piccolo in that your arcane spellcasting sucks, witch is a primary spellcaster with a decent if not amazing spell list. That having been said, more spells is never a bad thing.

My first thought was actually aasimar muse-touched Bard, maybe with a dervish dance build if you can stomach it. Though thinking it over Mogwen's idea of an oracle also has a great deal of potential.

One downside of playing dwarf in this party is that it looks like you'll be in a party with 4 characters that all use light (or at most medium) armor. The dwarf speed penalty might be a bit grating when everyone else are moving at full speed.


Bard: The monk, rogue, and Paladin will all love inspire courage. Although you will probably want a different race in order to complement the classes focus on charisma, and I think Kudaku's suggestion on assimar is probably where you want to look if you go that route.

If you decide to stay dwarf the Inquisitor can be a great choice. They are adaptable enough that they can cover most of the weaknesses in any party.


I'd personally go with an Evangelist cleric. This party could use some more full casters, and with those combatants it's screaming for some buffing. Dwarf evangelist is the best of both worlds. Spire courage will help, the cleric can heal everyone, and you have plenty of spells for other buffs/utility/healing to help round out the party.

Also dwarf clerics are really tough and have high survivability, which will help given the rest of your party.


Cleric (evangelist) might be a good choice combining bardiness and clerical spells, it is fun if you can envision that sort of character and give it a personal twist. The restoration spells might be a very welcome addition.

Bard is an option though ability damage/drain/negative levels might proof an annoyance in that party and I would work with the witch and rogue to see what skills are not covered yet sufficiently.

Inquisitor is my next best pick it will supplement the front line combatants and has a pretty decent selection of spells, might check with your witch if some useful knowledge skills are not covered yet.

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Interesting suggestions. I'm intrigued by the Bard and Cleric (Evangelist). The Oracle suggestion sounds fun too.

Hmmm...


Actually, looking over the Evangelist it's pretty much perfect for your situation. I am going to have to join the chorus here and recommend Evangelist cleric.


Seems to me like you lack area and enemy group control. Unless I totally miss how that monk is built. So I'd definitely add a Wizard (area control&damage)or a Druid (area control + pets + insane versatility).
But I'd add them to any group so...
An alternative to me would be a Bard who could seriously buff up this particular party and make every single other character much better at what they are doing.


I would go archer inquisitor, they have no real ranged damage and holy gun wont do much.

You get spontaneous divine casting and a lot of fun abilities that up your dps to respectable levels!


In this thread, my top picks would be, not in order:

Aasimar bard
Dwarf inquisitor
Dwarf evangelist cleric

This also applies to what is in the first three books, in terms of balance. You won't roflstomp everything, but you won't be lagging behind. I can't comment on the last three books yet, as I don't have them.

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I think I'm going to create an evangelist and an bard and see which one I like better. I might even throw in an inquisitor too.

Still not sure about the race though. I'm kind of stuck on dwarf, but a human would probably fit the story concept I have in mind.


no, actually the most ideal clerical spellcaster race is aasimar. read up on it, and note the bonuses on both wis and cha, plus darkvision and perception bonuses, even the energy resistances help.

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Piccolo wrote:
no, actually the most ideal clerical spellcaster race is aasimar. read up on it, and note the bonuses on both wis and cha, plus darkvision and perception bonuses, even the energy resistances help.

I am familiar with aasimars. We are only using core races in our game.


Huh. I'd recommend a Dwarf, but they have a penalty to Cha even though a bonus to Wis.

I suppose a human is a good second choice.


Quick tip, you can get around the armor check penalty by taking the trait Wisdom in Flesh, and selecting Stealth as the beneficiary.

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Piccolo wrote:
Quick tip, you can get around the armor check penalty by taking the trait Wisdom in Flesh, and selecting Stealth as the beneficiary.

Nice trait. Thanks


Pretty sneaky, huh? Here's another bit about traits:

Try giving most of your classes who don't have it Stealth via Highlander. If you do that, suddenly a whole world of tactical solutions presents itself, because you can choose WHEN you want to fight, as opposed to just bumbling into every encounter. Oh, and every scout you have, ensure that he comes racially with darkvision, nothing less will do. That way your opponents who DO have it won't see your lantern coming while you try to sneak up on them!

Also, Magic is Life is really handy for primary arcane spellcasters like Wizards and Sorcerers! It means you don't bleed out if in negative hp while you have spells like Mage Armor up. Extend Spell is also nice when applied to Mage Armor, as you can double an already long duration to the point where you might be able to keep it up most of the day with one casting. On that note, after you reach 3rd caster level, take a level of Fighter and use the feat for Arcane Armor Training (mithral chain shirt). Really cheap to upgrade, can wear it all the time, the BAB and Fort save really help, but the downside is you can't use Quicken Spell in the upper levels of xp.

Third, and this is an interesting one, combine the trait Mindlessly Cruel with the feat Grudge Fighter. Suddenly you get +1 attack and +2 damage vs anyone who takes a swipe at you as an Orc. That's better than Weapon Focus!

Fourth, try using Craft Wondrous Item on a Blessed Book if you are a Wizard. Saves serious moolah!!

Fifth, if you are running a archer and go dungeon crawling on a regular basis, ensure that you have racial darkvision and the feat pump for your darkvision range (deepsight?). If you examine your bow, you will notice your range is about 110, but your normal darkvision has a range of 60.


I would like to remind you that dwarves isn't the only (core race) with darkvision, there are also half orcs.
Now on the class, i think that a battle cleric or a wildshaping fighty druid would help best.

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