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Actually, a 2 in Intelligence is perfectly playable. Trust me, I have a dog who's smarter than some of my friends. If she's a 2 int, then a 2 int can manage just fine.
If a dog is smarter than your friends, and your friends can understand the way you talk, then your dog has at least a 3 intelligence.
So your dog would be smarter than this poor character.
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To the OP, I apologize as we've kind of thread-jacked you here, so I'll put my reply to ikarinokami in a spoiler.
What I'm saying is that even "unthinking" beasts with a 3 intelligence are able to fight. A PC with a 2 wisdom is able to fight as well. They are full of personality flaws and quirks and may even be downright crazy, but they are playable. It just takes imagination to be able to pull it off. I know some people don't like to challenge themselves and that's fine, but I'm always up for a good RP challenge and trying to figure out ways and think outside the box on how to get a different kind of character to be feasible.
The problem with your argument and 2 being a wisdom of a 1-2 year old is that you are missing the other part of the mental equation and that being the PC example I put together was actually above average in intelligence.
So perhaps the wisdom would be of a 2 year old child, one who is easily deceived and very gullible, they are lost in their own world most of the time so they need someone to point them in the right direction or to help them make decisions, but they do know how to fight and that fighting is instinctual rather than learned.
.....To the OP, I apologize as we've kind of thread-jacked you here, so I'll put my reply to ikarinokami in a spoiler.
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first, by the game rules, animals and people are different. animals get defined by hit dice, and they are assumed to have animal instinct. also as i mentioned, animals don't have to exhibit good judgement.
Humans have no such instincts. worse yet in game terms, human instincts is wisdom, it's you ability to intuit conclusions without a facutal basis. the one thing a low wisdom character could not rely on is insticts.
intellegence just means logic, learning potential, applying intellegence is wisdom. making good decsions is wisdom, as an example go read t books about these child prodigies that have genius iq's they still need parenting, they make terrible descisions, and these are kids with wisdoms scores you would say are about 5-6, these are usally around 11- 13 years old.
I know i keep saying this, but a 2 is an incredibly low score within the scale of the game, you could not be a hero with a 2 in any mental score.
if you had a 2 in charisma you simply would never have been motivated enough, you would be suffering from something beyond clinical depression.
if you had a 2 wisdom, you would not be able to make judgements, or make connections, your attention span would be terrible. you would have zero instincts, you would require around the clock supervision, you would jump off rooftops, you would think you could fly, you may not even be able to properly comprehend abstract ideas like death or danger, or even what your own limitations were.
a 2 intellgence makes you profoundly mentally disabled, you wouldn't have the ablity to learn anything beyond the most rudementry functions, language would be increadible difficult for you.
Play an elf. Put the 2 in Con.
Or screw it and put the 2 in Int. Roleplay THAT.
I second, character DOA no more issues, bring a book till the GM gives you better stats.
You might want to just find a new game.
Best Option: Take advantage of the communal wisdom of these posters and don't deal with this game.
"I learn better from experience" Option: Undead and Synthesist Summoner, as has been said, are the best ways to ditch that 2. You could do something strange like Int 2 / Cha 2 / Wis 2, but you might be ruining things for the party if you roleplay it in a petty way way.
"I have nothing to lose" Option: Put that 2 in Con. If you die and reroll, you still have to use those stats. Put the 2 in Con every time. Have a bunch of sheets and rotate them as necessary.
Play an Int 2 character. But don't play it as a severely disabled human - play it as a standard animal.
Be a druid. Your backstory is that you swapped minds with some random animal; now, despite the appearance and powers of a druid, you are actually a horse. Or wolf. Or whatever.
Anytime a decision comes up, just ask yourself: 'What would a horse do here...?'
It would be great fun, and true to the character. :)
It may have been mentioned before, but what level is this starting as?
can you imagine how a horse thinks?
first of all, why are you on this quest?why are you not out in field trying to get laid?
if you are a female why are you not raising a child or trying to get one?
if you are a male why arent you trying to find a mate?
the driving force behind all animals (those with mental stats 3 and below), is reproduction, their entire life cycle is built around that, there every action is explained by it, there existence is deveoted to the idea of reproduction, why arent you trying to do that.
second animals are not self aware, they cannot plan for future events. if you are doing these things and ignoring your drive to reproduce, byt doing things like going on quests, planning for future events then you are a trained animal, and then you don't make independent decisions beyond what your trainer tells you.
it is not possible to play anything of an animal intellegence in this game as player character.
Play an intelligent undead wild-folk character... No con, no problem!
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DMs roleplay creatures with animal intelligence all the time. Why would a player be incapable of it?I often play characters that have left pinky fingers. Why shouldn't you be content to just play a character's left pinky finger?
I've said nothing about being content with being forced to play a character with a 2 in an ability score. I was disagreeing only with the idea that it is impossible to roleplay it.
can you imagine how a horse thinks?
first of all, why are you on this quest?
why are you not out in field trying to get laid?
if you are a female why are you not raising a child or trying to get one?if you are a male why arent you trying to find a mate?
the driving force behind all animals (those with mental stats 3 and below), is reproduction, their entire life cycle is built around that, there every action is explained by it, there existence is deveoted to the idea of reproduction, why arent you trying to do that.
second animals are not self aware, they cannot plan for future events. if you are doing these things and ignoring your drive to reproduce, byt doing things like going on quests, planning for future events then you are a trained animal, and then you don't make independent decisions beyond what your trainer tells you.it is not possible to play anything of an animal intellegence in this game as player character.
Reproduction is only one of many animal instincts.
DMs roleplay creatures with animal intelligence all the time. Why would a player be incapable of it?I often play characters that have left pinky fingers. Why shouldn't you be content to just play a character's left pinky finger?I've said nothing about being content with being forced to play a character with a 2 in an ability score. I was disagreeing only with the idea that it is impossible to roleplay it.
well think about what the GM is doing when he is playing those animal intellegence creatures. are those creatures interacting with people in a social setting? are they walking in town? are they obeying customs, and rules?
do they try to purchase items? or seek lodging for the night?
did they have to learn how to swing a sword? did they need to learn how to communicate? or read signs?
did they need to think plan a schedule? or make appointments.
what a gm does with animal intellegence creature, is very different from the actual daily rountine of a pc.
the two are totally dismilair and have really nothing to do with each other.
DMs roleplay creatures with animal intelligence all the time. Why would a player be incapable of it?I often play characters that have left pinky fingers. Why shouldn't you be content to just play a character's left pinky finger?I've said nothing about being content with being forced to play a character with a 2 in an ability score. I was disagreeing only with the idea that it is impossible to roleplay it.
Reproduction is only one of many animal instincts.can you imagine how a horse thinks?
first of all, why are you on this quest?
why are you not out in field trying to get laid?
if you are a female why are you not raising a child or trying to get one?if you are a male why arent you trying to find a mate?
the driving force behind all animals (those with mental stats 3 and below), is reproduction, their entire life cycle is built around that, there every action is explained by it, there existence is deveoted to the idea of reproduction, why arent you trying to do that.
second animals are not self aware, they cannot plan for future events. if you are doing these things and ignoring your drive to reproduce, byt doing things like going on quests, planning for future events then you are a trained animal, and then you don't make independent decisions beyond what your trainer tells you.it is not possible to play anything of an animal intellegence in this game as player character.
there are lots of different instincts in an animals but all are devoted to the propagration of the specis. unless you train it.
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well think about what the GM is doing when he is playing those animal intellegence creatures. are those creatures interacting with people in a social setting? are they walking in town? are they obeying customs, and rules?
do they try to purchase items? or seek lodging for the night?
did they have to learn how to swing a sword? did they need to learn how to communicate? or read signs?
did they need to think plan a schedule? or make appointments.
what a gm does with animal intellegence creature, is very different from the actual daily rountine of a pc.
the two are totally dismilair and have really nothing to do with each other.
It could make a stupid, unfun game, but that's much different than literal impossibility. Or you could play the character like any number of animal heroes from TV or movies. You could be a wild shape druid that is effectively an animal with superpowers. The rules and customs for animals are different than those for people. She could have a handler that helps her not to run afoul of customs, just like dogs do in our world. Your failure of imagination is the major obstacle here.
Suicide build.
Just play a race with a -2 Con, and stick that 2 in Con.
If he doesn't let you reroll, do it again.
Normally, I would never suggest anything so passive-aggressive, but words seem to fall on deaf ears.
Show him by example.
this won't work, i belive the GM will boot the op once she dies, and the op wants to live as long as possible.
so it's really just down to the synthis summoner or master summoner.
i really would lean master summoner though, normally i wouldn't advice because the class is bit too powerful, but in this case, i think it would be ok.
Well, put the 2 in Con regardless of Race.
Even if it is a +2 Con race, you only end up with a 4 Con.
You will likely die.
Then, reroll.
the OP DOES NOT get to re-roll if she dies. The OP does not want to die, hence any 2 point con builds or builds likely to die, won't help.
Well, put the 2 in Con regardless of Race.
Even if it is a +2 Con race, you only end up with a 4 Con.
You will likely die.
Then, reroll.
the OP DOES NOT get to re-roll is she dies. The OP does not want to die, hence any 2 point con builds or builds likely to die, won't help.
Accept your fate as a red shirt and make the best of it! You are legion. (Assuming you actually want to dance to this DM's music)
I don't understand the logic of this topic. If the GM is "out to get you" then it doesn't matter what you do. Monsters always pass their saves and their spell DCs are doubled for you. You're a Synthesist? Oh look, you were ambushed while sleeping...
You can't "win" this.
As for a char with 2 Int, that be awesome for me if I wasn't the player. I'd argue that he gets no treasure since he can't even understand what it is. Tell him the copper pieces are way awesomer than the gold ones. One less share to split.
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I'd go CN Catfolk (whatever class you like) with the 2 in CHA. Since you say you roleplay what you get you could play it like, well, a cat. This is my world, who let you in, where's my food? Play it kind of bipolar - I want to be petted, who said you could stroke me four times, three strokes is enough, claw, claw, bite.
can you imagine how a horse thinks?Yes. Yes I can. I have an imagination, and have interacted with a few horses in my time. If you haven't spent time with horses, pick a dog, or a cat, or something else.
first of all, why are you on this quest?I can think of all sorts of reasons. Designate another PC as your 'master,' or 'rider,' or similar.
the driving force behind all animals (those with mental stats 3 and below), is reproduction, their entire life cycle is built around that, there every action is explained by it, there existence is deveoted to the idea of reproduction, why arent you trying to do that.Really? Have you ever interacted with an animal more advanced than a goldfish? A decent bit of training can easily prevent dogs and horses from running off and mating instead of following directions.
second animals are not self aware, they cannot plan for future events. if you are doing these things and ignoring your drive to reproduce, byt doing things like going on quests, planning for future events then you are a trained animal, and then you don't make independent decisions beyond what your trainer tells you.So what? I've played lots of characters who don't plan for the future and just follow the party without good reason. Why can't the horse-brained druid?
it is not possible to play anything of an animal intellegence in this game as player character.Why are you working so hard to tell us that it can't be done? The OP's DM asked her to do so, the OP wants to do so. What right do you have to tell someone what they can't do in a game of make-believe?
well think about what the GM is doing when he is playing those animal intellegence creatures. are those creatures interacting with people in a social setting? are they walking in town? are they obeying customs, and rules?Why is this a problem? I would love to see a druid [try to] lick the face of the m you ayor, or crib on a fence....
because it isn't possible, to roleplay a mental stat of 2 and still be any kind of hero. you can do physical just fine. the op wanted to authentically role play it. sure you play with a 2 if all You care about are modifiers, but game wise, it is not possible to play a 2 mental stat with a humanion creature, it is simpley not logically possible, in a game where a for a humaniod, a 1 would be a new born and 2 being a 1 or 2 year old child.
there is make belief and then there is believable make belief, the OP stated she wanted believble make belief. you cannot do role play in any realistic way a 2 mental stat.
Can you do it sure, but don't pretend it's realistic. The op wants realistic. given those set of requests, an arcane or divine caster of some sort with a physical stat of two is the most beleiveable. in this case the sysnthis summoner or master summoner are the best chocies, with the 2 placed in strength.
I'd go CN Catfolk (whatever class you like) with the 2 in CHA. Since you say you roleplay what you get you could play it like, well, a cat. This is my world, who let you in, where's my food? Play it kind of bipolar - I want to be petted, who said you could stroke me four times, three strokes is enough, claw, claw, bite.
How annoying would this character be, to everyone involved, after 2 sessions? Why would a party not fire this person and hire someone else?
I'd go CN Catfolk (whatever class you like) with the 2 in CHA. Since you say you roleplay what you get you could play it like, well, a cat. This is my world, who let you in, where's my food? Play it kind of bipolar - I want to be petted, who said you could stroke me four times, three strokes is enough, claw, claw, bite.
A person with a two charisma would not even get out of bed in the morning. Charisma is your force of personality, your drive to succeed,your spark of creativity, it's not just your likablity. you would with a two charisma, be beyond clinically depressed.
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As I understood, no PC could have a score below 3.
These are strange houserules that don't work out.
Put that 2 in anything, and it is still crippling.
How will it be handled if that 2 is put into a score, and the racial modifier for that stat is a -2?
Has the DM even addressed this?
You put that 2 in any mental stat, and you are crippled in a mental fashion.
Put that 2 in a physical stat, and you are physically crippled in some fashion.
Is there no reasoning with this DM?
Can you just go to him and tell him that there is absolutely no way to have fun with this low stat?
Having fun is the entire point!
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I'd go CN Catfolk (whatever class you like) with the 2 in CHA. Since you say you roleplay what you get you could play it like, well, a cat. This is my world, who let you in, where's my food? Play it kind of bipolar - I want to be petted, who said you could stroke me four times, three strokes is enough, claw, claw, bite.How annoying would this character be, to everyone involved, after 2 sessions? Why would a party not fire this person and hire someone else?
Why wouldn't they fire a character with the base 2 in any stat? She says she roleplays what she has, so wherever the 2 goes it would be annoying.
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I'd go CN Catfolk (whatever class you like) with the 2 in CHA. Since you say you roleplay what you get you could play it like, well, a cat. This is my world, who let you in, where's my food? Play it kind of bipolar - I want to be petted, who said you could stroke me four times, three strokes is enough, claw, claw, bite.A person with a two charisma would not even get out of bed in the morning. Charisma is your force of personality, your drive to succeed,your spark of creativity, it's not just your likablity. you would with a two charisma, be beyond clinically depressed.
The way I read it you're talking about wisdom, unless of coures you're talking about undead in which case it would represent your unnatural lifeforce.
you cannot do role play in any realistic way a 2 mental stat.So when the party encounters a 2 Int monster, the DM is never roleplaying them realistically?
Monsters are not people. Monsters are defined by hit dice. Most monsters with 2 int don't need to learn anything.
Seriously why are people being obtuse. A GM roleplaying a monster has none of the requirements of a player character.a humanoid with a 2 int would be classified as profoundly mentally disabled. I'm aghast that people believe such a person could become even a level 1 fighter.
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Why wouldn't they fire a character with the base 2 in any stat? She says she roleplays what she has, so wherever the 2 goes it would be annoying.I'd go CN Catfolk (whatever class you like) with the 2 in CHA. Since you say you roleplay what you get you could play it like, well, a cat. This is my world, who let you in, where's my food? Play it kind of bipolar - I want to be petted, who said you could stroke me four times, three strokes is enough, claw, claw, bite.How annoying would this character be, to everyone involved, after 2 sessions? Why would a party not fire this person and hire someone else?
I would adventure with a frail old man who's a powerful wizard. I wouldn't adventure with someone who can't understand the phrase "Don't eat that, it's poison.".
The way I read it you're talking about wisdom, unless of coures you're talking about undead in which case it would represent your unnatural lifeforce.I'd go CN Catfolk (whatever class you like) with the 2 in CHA. Since you say you roleplay what you get you could play it like, well, a cat. This is my world, who let you in, where's my food? Play it kind of bipolar - I want to be petted, who said you could stroke me four times, three strokes is enough, claw, claw, bite.A person with a two charisma would not even get out of bed in the morning. Charisma is your force of personality, your drive to succeed,your spark of creativity, it's not just your likablity. you would with a two charisma, be beyond clinically depressed.
Your confusing will power. Read the description of charisma . It is the force of your personality. It's the spark of your creativity, its what gets your ass out of bed in the morning.
Your willpower on the other hand is more akin to the strength of your conviction, your ability to resist temptation, your self control.
In general, it seems like the OP is pretty committed to playing this game and is stuck playing this character, so all the "Don't play" and "The GM is a whatever" are probably not helping much.
All the "you can't possibly have fun playing a character that broken" comments are wrong. You can have fun playing it, as long as you're not after power-gaming or anything.
Don't play anything with CHA 2. It's too easy a dump stat, and you need DEX, CON and WIS for saves.
Play a barbarian with an intelligence 2. Never use anything but a greatclub. Use that +5 Greataxe of Mighty Raging as a back scratcher. Try to do the first thing that pops into your mind always, without ever second guessing. It will be a glorious disaster.
Play a wizard with strength 2. Ask other players to carry your spellbook, and your extra wands, because they're just too heavy for you. Need help ascending stairs. Better yet, have one of the other characters carry you around in their backpack.
Guys there's already a HUGE long thread about playing a Int of 7. Let us not hijack this one into a similar discussion.
Guys there's already a HUGE long thread about playing a Int of 7. Let us not hijack this one into a similar discussion.
A 7 is not a 2 and it is relevant, because the op wanted this realistic role play options, she didnt want just purely mechanical one
An INT of 2 can't understand languages, you would have to learn tricks like an animal companion. You aren't even a character at that point.
The only playable route here is to go as an undead that doesn't use a CON score.
Or, play a monster and ruin the DMs campaign at every turn. because he deserves it.
Monsters are not people.So? Does the DM not need to roleplay them?
He does. "Grar. Attack" is all they need. A PC needs more.
Monsters are not people.So? Does the DM not need to roleplay them?
You realize that monsters with two 2 int have instinct.
A humanoid with a two intellect is classified as profoundly mentally disabled. Please go and read what that entails and then explain to me, how this person got to level 1 and how exactly this person is going to function as a hero.
Animals and monsters can get by with 2 int, humanoids cannot.
Pretty sure humans with 2 intelligence are different than animals with high intelligence. Just look at the way Paizo treats animal companions or familiars.
Moving on... Playing a character with 2 in anything just sucks. even if you raise it to 4 its still kinda' meh. I would never force anyone to play it and would be bothered if my DM did.
"Dude, I know you rolled a 2, but don't worry, we'll let you play as the team pet. Hope you don't mind being our literal butt monkey."
If you put it in strength, you will not be able to carry anything. In int, you will have 1 skill point.
And?
Discarding archetypes, there are exactly three four classes that utilize Intelligence as a power stat. May I recommend not picking one of those?
I would highly recommend putting that dump into Intelligence because it's the least penalizing mechanically and probably the most fun to roleplay.
Barbarian?