
Ravingdork |

I was thinking of playing a rogarou (Bestiary VI) with the following feats:
That way, I can approach unsuspecting enemies as a pet canine or something, then transform in front of them, causing them to become sickened, shaken, and flat-footed whilst leaving me with nearly a full round of actions to work them over.
One of the problems though is that the rogarou can only use their change shape ability once per day.
Are there any feats or abilities out there that might allow me to do this more times per day?
If not, I suppose I can just play a skinwalker, but I've done that a few times already. I'd like to try out this new race.

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To answer your question: I don't know.
However, you can inflict the same conditions in one round using Enforcer/Cornugon Smash, Shatter Defenses and a Cruel weapon with any race and build (if you have at least two attacks).
For the shapeshifting aspect you might want to consider also Kitsune (with Vulpine Pounce eventually).

Dave Justus |

I wouldn't count on too many foes thinking a wolf is a pet dog, but your mileage may vary on that. I would consider a wolf to be quite common, so a Kn(nature) of 6 would let someone know that it isn't a doggy.
Of course wolves are possible 'pets' in this world, but the kind of pets they are isn't the kind of kind pet an enemy would ignore.
To answer your question though, I don't think their is a generic 'use ability more times' feat, and since their hasn't been anything specific published for this race a specific feat doesn't exist either.

Ravingdork |

I would consider a wolf to be quite common, so a Kn(nature) of 6 would let someone know that it isn't a doggy.
That's why I said canine, not "doggy."
In any case, you can't use Knowledge skills to identify one polymorphed creature from another unless you have the Monster Spotter feat. You have to use Perception or certain forms of magic (such as true seeing) to see through the Disguise first.

Dave Justus |
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Dave Justus wrote:I would consider a wolf to be quite common, so a Kn(nature) of 6 would let someone know that it isn't a doggy.That's why I said canine, not "doggy."
In any case, you can't use Knowledge skills to identify one polymorphed creature from another unless you have the Monster Spotter feat. You have to use Perception or certain forms of magic (such as true seeing) to see through the Disguise first.
pet canine implies a domesticated dog, not a wolf.
And certainly, you can use knowledge skills to know that that thing looks like a wolf, not like a dog. You might not know whether or not it is really a wolf, but you do know that that is what it looks like.
In my games anyway, most enemies who see a wolf approaching them won't be 'unsuspecting' because a WOLF is approaching them. That is suspicious.

Mysterious Stranger |

There is a great deal of similarity between certain types of huskies and wolves. If you are not familiar with the breeds it is not that difficult to mistake them. The main difference is wolves are leaner and their muzzle is longer. This is because the species are actually quite close. The latest scientific research says that all dogs are decedent from wolves. Some breeds have branched off a lot more, but others are a lot closer.
While wolves may be fairly common they tend to avoid humans and probably other humanoids. They also have very good stealth. For this reason I would put the DC to 11 instead of 6 to identify them. Goblins attack humans on a regular basis and often wage war on humans, wolves do not. Other than at the zoo how often do people see wolves, especially those in urban areas?

Anonymous Warrior |

Anonymous Warrior wrote:I take it we're not considering Druids? Wild Shape qualifies for each of the feats.No, having the ability to change shape doesn't give you the shapechanger subtype. You generally need to have a racial ability to change shape, not a class ability to qualify.
My bad, I didn't realize Gruesome Shapechanger didn't contain that clause. The other two do though.

Cevah |

Get a Polymorphic Pouch and decorate it with a dog name, and perhaps add the Hat of Disguise magic or a glamour to disguise it.
Add a Ring of Eloquence to call the "dog's" name from hiding, then when you appear, they think the dog's master is close behind.
/cevah