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I'm sure this subject has been brought up plenty of times, but is there any official explanation why this is -obscenely- overpriced? I'm aware of the fact that monks get a "special two weapon fighting", and this is basicly worth two weapons while using flurry, but a max +5 is just depressing for the 125k, especially when compared to regular weapons (and weapons made out of special materials!).
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Druids in wildshape can get 3+ natural attacks. AoMF enhances all of them.
Although you should keep in mind that the price has been errata-ed down to the price of two magical weapons specifically to aid monks (who use some sort of weird 2-weapon fighting analog). The druids don't mind the discount of course.
The new costs can be found on this page.
My guess would be, because you can use two weapon fighting freely without a seperate enchantment (PC races; never mind tones of natural attacks from like animals, etc), they basically added the cost of Speed (+3) to the basic amulet to balance it out.
Using two weapons at +5 each would cost 100,000 GP (over the masterwork weapon cost); then you have two +5 weapons for overcoming DR, etc. The same thing would occur for a double weapon, since each side is enchanted seperately. The Amulet of Might fist, for monks, or anyone using unarmed combat, or natural attacks, would be overpowered if you just payed the same as a normal magic weapon. You also can't be disarmed of your natural attacks (unless your arm was severed, =).
Just how i see it for game balance. I may be totally off why the pricing is the way it is, but that's what I am thinking.
It is also worth noting that the AMF got reduced in price per this errata. It is now exactly twice the cost of a magic weapon. (EDIT: Ninja'ed! Curses!)
From the article: "The new prices are as follows: 4,000 gp (+1), 16,000 gp (+2), 36,000 gp (+3), 64,000 gp (+4), 100,000 gp (+5)"
It is a bit sucky for monks, but that's how it goes. A monk can also get some Greater Magic Fang which a fighter can't really get, and the AMF allows access to magical qualities at a different price point.
For example, the fighter needs a +3 weapon (18000) to get Holy on something he uses. The Monk only needs a +2 AMF (16000) to get Holy fists. So by this metric, the monk actually pays less for the special effect.
Sure, he loses out on the +1 hit/damage, but he can also get Greater Magic Fang to help with that. The ki pool also helps off set the magic/special material DR issues that normally require enchanted weapons. So he doesn't have to have several special-material weapons just in case (or a highly enchanted item).
I'm gonna have to talk to my GM about getting some gold back
I'm sure this subject has been brought up plenty of times, but is there any official explanation why this is -obscenely- overpriced? I'm aware of the fact that monks get a "special two weapon fighting", and this is basicly worth two weapons while using flurry, but a max +5 is just depressing for the 125k, especially when compared to regular weapons (and weapons made out of special materials!).
Because it's an item that works better for druids and animal companions with multiple attacks than it does for monks. They get more mileage out of it, and if it was made any cheaper than the current level they'd dominate combat over conventional martials.
It is a bit sucky for monks, but that's how it goes. A monk can also get some Greater Magic Fang which a fighter can't really get, and the AMF allows access to magical qualities at a different price point.
So? The fighter can get Greater Magic Weapon cast on his sword. Your point was? Both have as much access to the spells that can buff them - in fact, as druids are rarer to find than wizards the fighter is probably better off here.
The ki pool also helps off set the magic/special material DR issues that normally require enchanted weapons. So he doesn't have to have several special-material weapons just in case (or a highly enchanted item).
Doesn't help much if he can't hit the target because MADness puts his hitting stat below par, he's on 3/4 BAB if he moves, and his enhancement lags behind as well. If he adds a property he can't ever get that +5 golden goal to bypass pretty much any DR at all.
In short, the combination of AoMF and ki-strike looks good but is in fact sub-par to normal magic weapons.
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Strange that FAQ is from 5 months ago, yet the online PRD still shows the original costs.
The issue is that it affects natural attacks and if you have 3+ natural attacks then it's cheaper than 3 magic weapons, but if you have less (like a monk) then it's more expensive. If you want to make some house rules for it, you could allow a version that is cheaper, but only affects unarmed attacks.
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I think they remarked that they'll update the PRD when they print the next printing of CRB, to keep the latest printing and PRD the same. Or something like that, it was a bit weird.
Yeah, looking back, it would have been good if there had been a separate (monk-priced) unarmed strike boosting item and the AoMF at previous (druid-oriented) prices for people that actually want the amulet of might FANGS.
I'm sure this subject has been brought up plenty of times, but is there any official explanation why this is -obscenely- overpriced? I'm aware of the fact that monks get a "special two weapon fighting", and this is basicly worth two weapons while using flurry, but a max +5 is just depressing for the 125k, especially when compared to regular weapons (and weapons made out of special materials!).
Imagine a dragon with 6 natural attacks wearing one of these.
Imagine a dragon with 6 natural attacks wearing one of these.
Why imagine? To my knowledge, there is at least one canonical dragon in an AP who is wearing an AoMF.