Monkeying Around

Thanks for taking the time for this Paizo.

And now the Amulet of Mighty Fists can be used by monks at about the same time as other magic weapons. Very nice.

I am beyond words about the AMoF update. Like, in the good way.

Removed a post. Let's try to keep this on topic.

Awesome, thanks for clarifying. I knew it would get cleared up eventually.

Sweet!

But now I'm wondering if these changes are extensive enough to merit a full rebuild for Pathfinder Society characters. It won't be a huge matter for me (I was sticking with Unarmed Strikes anyway, so I'd just have an extra 1000 gp in my bank account), but I could see how it might be a big deal for certain builds.

Jason, and all those who aided and assisted you in this, I just want to say, you guys are steely-eyed missilemen! Thanks. Now, if we could only address the problems with stand in place flurry vs. highly mobile tumbling, fast-moving character, that would be the icing on the cake. :)

MA

While I don't agree with the ruling about the +3 or better enhancement bonus the new prices for them and the 7th ki strike counting as cold iron and silver make up for it in the monks case but it does cause some issues for creatures and character builds who use natural weapons.

Well does the amulet of mighty fist still count as magic for DR purposes?

While I don't agree with the ruling about the +3 or better enhancement bonus the new prices for them and the 7th ki strike counting as cold iron and silver make up for it in the monks case but it does cause some issues for creatures and character builds who use natural weapons.

Well does the amulet of mighty fist still count as magic for DR purposes?

That isn't a ruling exclusive to the item. That's always been the case for any weapon.

Excellent, very cool guys. Now my want for a monk pc in my games has grown even more.

Very exciting. Nifty, even.

Love it! Thanks for the update!

Nice! Thanks for taking the time to look over that and make some improvements.

Thanks for the clarifications on the Monk class. However, I have a question for you. Is there any plans to compile all the current FAQs for the Pathfinder RPG into a singular PDF available for download off the site? It would be greatly useful to have a copy of this FAQ on a tablet or printed out and available for reference at conventions where access to the Internet may be limited or unavailable.

Tarrintino

Sweet!

But now I'm wondering if these changes are extensive enough to merit a full rebuild for Pathfinder Society characters. It won't be a huge matter for me (I was sticking with Unarmed Strikes anyway, so I'd just have an extra 1000 gp in my bank account), but I could see how it might be a big deal for certain builds.

Already addressed here.

This is exciting stuff! Thanks for listening to the masses, devs. :)

Thank goodness the amulet prices are less insane now.

Awesome news :)

Wow, Just, Wow. Monks just got a huge boost. Dragon Style Monks are going to start rocking.

*making funky little dance*

:)

Thank you for this Paizo crew.

gets back to work on the dream monk

Is there planned errata for the "Singing Bell of Striking" from pg 319 of Ultimate Equipment? Right now it lets the monk swap out their ability to overcome magic DR to be able to overcome cold iron or silver, depending on the material the bell is made from.

While I don't agree with the ruling about the +3 or better enhancement bonus the new prices for them and the 7th ki strike counting as cold iron and silver make up for it in the monks case but it does cause some issues for creatures and character builds who use natural weapons.

Well does the amulet of mighty fist still count as magic for DR purposes?

As far as i can see they didn't change anything about the Amulet. It always worked like that. Some people just needed a FAQ to see it that way.

I love how the brass knuckles were errata'd to NOT use monk fist damage, but now that Ammy's of Mighty Fists is priced like a magical brass knuckles, why not allow brass knuckles to work like pre-errata?

Oh well, I like the clarification on how I've always ruled my flurries, and I'll keep using my pre-errata knucks.

Sweetness - thanks team Paizo!

Thaaaank goodness. My Druid almost decided that buying a second AoMF and making it Holy was more effective than moving up to +3.

An improvement to be sure. I still think the Amulet of Mighty Fists is overpriced because weapons are functionally slotless. (An unarmed non-monk can TWF with brass knuckles for the same price without displacing his Amulet of Natural Armor, but a monk cannot do so without losing his unarmed strike dice.)

I think as long as AMF is inferior to weapons (takes the neck slot without a price discount relative to TWF, only goes up to +5 total enhancement) unarmed monks are going to have issues matching the other low skill classes. Barbarians can probably still be built to one up nearly any unarmed monk. Cavaliers and Oracles aren't strictly superior because of poor will and fortitude saves respectively, but have other advantages that can be quite substantial.

That said monks look like they're back in the game for people (myself included) who hate the superstitious barbarian fluff and the Sohei and zen archer are unambiguous again. Yay!

Paizo and Jason...thank you! I didn't have a problem with the Monk to be honest, but this makes my Monks even more awesome.

Thank you again for all your hard work and quality materials.

I love how the brass knuckles were errata'd to NOT use monk fist damage, but now that Ammy's of Mighty Fists is priced like a magical brass knuckles, why not allow brass knuckles to work like pre-errata?

Oh well, I like the clarification on how I've always ruled my flurries, and I'll keep using my pre-errata knucks.

Where's that errata? The PRD description says that you can use your monk unarmed strike with them.

Humnbly,
Yawar

Are these changes going to be incorporated into monk class entry of PRD?

archmagi1 wrote:

I love how the brass knuckles were errata'd to NOT use monk fist damage, but now that Ammy's of Mighty Fists is priced like a magical brass knuckles, why not allow brass knuckles to work like pre-errata?

Oh well, I like the clarification on how I've always ruled my flurries, and I'll keep using my pre-errata knucks.

Where's that errata? The PRD description says that you can use your monk unarmed strike with them.

Humnbly,
Yawar

It's kind of a confusing saga to follow. Here's my understanding of it:

(The glove-style weapon saga)

Don't forget the post by Sean K Reynolds saying that none of the glove-style weapons are supposed to be related to unarmed strikes at all; they're simply light weapons like any other.

So... yeah.

Pretty cool.

I haven't even been following this debate and I'm still grateful. Maybe now I won't have to skip so many monk threads to find what I want.

Anyone know if/when these updates will make it into Hero Lab?

Looks good. If it resolves all outstanding issues with the Monk is another topic.

Just to make sure that we are all on the same page here, is this the complete extent to which the Monk will be modified? Or are there other changes still coming down the line?

Looks good. If it resolves all outstanding issues with the Monk is another topic.

Just to make sure that we are all on the same page here, is this the complete extent to which the Monk will be modified? Or are there other changes still coming down the line?

Not all of them unfortunately. Two major issues are still outstanding: the first is that flurry is only usable when standing still or taking a 5' step, which is at odds with monk's mobility and movement. Something like barbarian pounce, or a ki power that lets you move and get one extra attack (at your flurry BAB) would have solved that.

And the second issue is MAD, which contributes highly to the monk's lack of hitting. Further exacerbated by being the only medium BAB class (except for the Rogue and Ninja) without an option to add to his attack rolls. The Rogue and Ninja have those sneak attack bombs in compensation, but the monk lacks that AND a good opportunity to hit like the martial class that it is.

Don't worry, there is still plenty of fodder out there to chew upon.

MA

Are these changes going to be incorporated into monk class entry of PRD?

The PRD and errata documents are released/updated upon the reprinting of a given hardcover. So these changes won't hit the PRD until they've been printed.

Looks like my "whatever changes to the Monk will be made, people will want more" prediction was spot on. :)

Thanks Cris! Any idea roughly when that will be?

Thanks Cris! Any idea roughly when that will be?

It's based on some factors that are somewhat unpredictable unfortunately and we don't make our reprint schedule public. All I can say is that when we do reprint, we try to let everyone know that errata is available as soon as possible. :)

So... any chance on that ruling before Pathfinder was officially released that allowed Monks to do their unarmed damage on combat maneuvers?

=D Thanks for the changes, though. Monk Love! <3

Gorbacz, you are right. At least by asking, we get to potentially learn what their leanings may be.

Does this means that the Bodywraps of Insufficient Strikes is gonig to be Errata'ed too?

Yawar

Cool now my Monk can make a comeback.

Does this means that the Bodywraps of Insufficient Strikes is going to be Errata'ed too?

+1

and while they're at it, either AoMF and/or Bodywraps should also apply to Grapple, weapon-less Bullrush, Over-Run and any other weapon-less Maneuver - as-is, those have less means to get attack bonus than other maneuvers - this isn't even getting into that Grapple, et al, aren't included in any Fighter Weapon Training Groups: they should really be part of Close, Monk, and Natural Weapon groups.

for PFS, it would be nice if bodywraps and monk's robes were officially blessed as being combined onto the same item (with normal price increase) as well as being able to upgrade one into the other (e.g. BW+1 into BW+1&MonkRobe).

Cool now my Monk can make a comeback.

Don't call it a comeback. He's been here for years.

Its monk classic.

Thanks to Jason and the design team!

Any chance the prd will be updated with these changes before the next core rules printing?

I know a number of people in my gaming group who are gonna LOVE this info!