bladebound / swordlord+swordlord prestige


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Just wonder what anyone thinks of this gestalt idea

20 bladebound/10 sword lord/ 10 sword lord prestige

seems like i could do some crazeeee stuff with a dex focused version. im only used to core classes so magus really appeals to me in general, and i find bladebound a interesting thing flavorwise. tho maybe regular magus is better?


maybe you should explain a bit more about your idea :-)

my opinion is that a bladebound magus is awsome!


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i think he means a gestalt magus (bladebound) 10, and fighter (swordlord) 10 / aldori swordlord (PrC) 10

taking on kensai to the magus bit as well would add its int to AC, which would be helpful.


ya im just looking for something that wont gimp me. my first idea is to take a class that gives me more feats/better BAB, but other people are telling me to go wizard. which is worth it?


w01fe01 wrote:
ya im just looking for something that wont gimp me. my first idea is to take a class that gives me more feats/better BAB, but other people are telling me to go wizard. which is worth it?

fighter/magus is a solid choice, since you get more presence in melee where youre supposed to be for spellstriking and such (a lot of fighter stuff is rather passive as well, so there's little to no action economy conflict bewteen the two). the extra feats, weapon/armor proficiencies, and full BAB are helpful as well.

as for wizard instead, it depends on whether you want more spells or more melee ability. note that a gestalt magus/wizard still wouldnt be able to spellstrike with wizard spells unless you take the arcana to add them.

also iirc some swordlord stuff eats actions and magus stuff eats actions, so there might be some conflict there during combat since you're still limited to only one character's worth of actions.


AndIMustMask wrote:
w01fe01 wrote:
ya im just looking for something that wont gimp me. my first idea is to take a class that gives me more feats/better BAB, but other people are telling me to go wizard. which is worth it?

fighter/magus is a solid choice, since you get more presence in melee where youre supposed to be for spellstriking and such (a lot of fighter stuff is rather passive as well, so there's little to no action economy conflict bewteen the two). the extra feats, weapon/armor proficiencies, and full BAB are helpful as well.

as for wizard instead, it depends on whether you want more spells or more melee ability. note that a gestalt magus/wizard still wouldnt be able to spellstrike with wizard spells unless you take the arcana to add them.

also iirc some swordlord stuff eats actions and magus stuff eats actions, so there might be some conflict there during combat since you're still limited to only one character's worth of actions.

thankyou for the information. i admit dealing with a class you never have before and then trying to gestalt on top of it is daunting.

so lets say i want to supplement his melee capability, archetypes allowed for both the magus and the other class to gestalt with. what would you say good options are?

ive also seen a lot of talk about dex dervish vs STR and the pros and cons of each. im assuming the weaknesses of STR are overcome with gestalt possibly


also and option of a alchemist to gestalt with, doesnt solve the bab thing, but i like the idea of growing two extra arms.

one to wield sword, one to use potion, one to cast spells, and one to throw bombs...tho that might have a lot of economy action interference.


the only weakness of a str build is early lvls as you can only wear medium armor this is solved when you reach lvl 7


I think im gonna go bladebound kensai/sword saint, i like the interactivity there a lot.

now i just have to figure out feats and spells and maybe traits. and decide if i go STR or DEX focus. and choose my sword omg.


look at your party if there is another melee with high STR go dex if not go STR!if you got a dex based melee and a STR based melee do what you like

just remember if you go dex you need to use a scimitar for dervish dancer and need 2 rankf in perform.

so alot les feats and 2 less skilpoints :-) if you like versetilety get STR just because you have the feats to take weapon focus and extra arcane pool prity fast.


this is gestalt and we do a modified random roll to make our beefed characters stats as opposed to a point buy.

so right now my stats (non allocated, unmodified) are

15
16
16
16
13
18

With sword saint giving me 10HD, im either going elf (better primary stats) or human (extra feat), dervish dancer is nice, but i want to use a katana, so probably no straight dex builds

elf stats
STR 18
DEX 16+2=18
CON 16-2=14
INT 16+2=18
WIS 13
CHA 15

human stats
STR 18
DEX 16
CON 16
INT 16+2=18
WIS 13
CHA 15

This char will also start probably highest is level 5.


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If you're going bladebound kensai you should be going for as high of a dex and int score as you can. Strength doesn't matter in this case.

For an elf you're better off with
Str 15
Dex 18+2=20
Con 16-2=14
Int 16+2=18
Wis 16
Cha 13

I can also see a case for 20 int though.


Darkflame wrote:

look at your party if there is another melee with high STR go dex if not go STR!if you got a dex based melee and a STR based melee do what you like

just remember if you go dex you need to use a scimitar for dervish dancer and need 2 rankf in perform.

so alot les feats and 2 less skilpoints :-) if you like versetilety get STR just because you have the feats to take weapon focus and extra arcane pool prity fast.

as a bladebound kensai/sword saint i get weapon focus at 1st level, i assume i have to wait at least until level 3 to get extra arcane however.


Soluzar wrote:

If you're going bladebound kensai you should be going for as high of a dex and int score as you can. Strength doesn't matter in this case.

For an elf you're better off with
Str 15
Dex 18+2=20
Con 16-2=14
Int 16+2=18
Wis 16
Cha 13

I can also see a case for 20 int though.

im assuming i missed something? why do i exclude STR? go now i gotta check again


he is refering to the dervish build

if you want to be able to hit with spellcombat and do nice damage when 2handing your onehanded weapon you need high STR

but i think a kensai isnt as goodas a STR build cause they dont have medium or heavy armor with spels i think


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You can't two-hand AND use spell combat. It works just like dual wielding expect instead of a weapon in your other hand you have a spell.


he cant use armor at all i see now this is why kensai is mostly dervish and would use dex for to hit aswell as armor now as you got verry nice stats i dont see the problem

however i would go human with dual talented trait putting stats like this:
WIS15
CON 16
DEX 16
INT 16 +2
CHA 13
STR 18 +2


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The only real problem with the Kensai is they aren't as good at casting as a regular Magus. Also the Kensai can add his INT bonus to AC as well and is about as crazy on INIT as a Diviner or a Inquisitor.


reason youd use human with dual talent? spcially if it gives up a feat!


i think not having to take -2 to anny stand the choice for addin +2 to two scores is worth the feat imo unless ofcourse you find a race who actualy doese +2 int and STR ;)

for a dervish vuild elf is better :-)


ah ok, depends if my Dm is allowing traits or not. he didnt have hte book for our first characters, but he may let us use them for our second now that he does have the book.

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Darkflame wrote:

look at your party if there is another melee with high STR go dex if not go STR!if you got a dex based melee and a STR based melee do what you like

just remember if you go dex you need to use a scimitar for dervish dancer and need 2 rankf in perform.

so alot les feats and 2 less skilpoints :-) if you like versetilety get STR just because you have the feats to take weapon focus and extra arcane pool prity fast.

The first level of the Aldori Swordlord prestige class grants:

Deft Strike wrote:
A swordlord can add his Dexterity bonus (if any) on damage rolls made with an dueling sword instead of his Strength bonus. This bonus on damage rolls applies whether the swordlord is wielding an dueling sword one-handed or two-handed, though the swordlord does not apply 1-1/2 times his Dexterity bonus on damage rolls while fighting two-handed. A swordlord cannot use this ability if he is wielding a shield or an off-hand weapon, including armor spikes, unarmed strikes, or natural weapons.


i think with my stats i can pull off a STR based version. ill be abel to manage 3 18's with a 16 CON if i go dual talent for humans. tho id be a bit sore about the lack of skills.

plus that lets me use the katana, a imo, slightly better version of scimitar with higher hit die and deadly feature.


Anyone recommend feat/spell choices for up to level 5? strictly as a bladebound kensai/sword saint, human, dual talent trait, STR based, using katana, with stats as such. obviously because of the class choices im more melee focused.

STR 18
DEX 18
CON 16
INT 18
WIS 13
CHA 15


shocking grasp DUH!! and put about 3K in pearls of power!! lvl 1

magical liniage trait shocking grasp and intensefied feat!

mirror image is always good vanish is also good for second lvl i would sugest frigid touch

first lvl slots i would rarely use for anything but inensefied shocking grasp! :-)


im actually unsure if that would be a good idea with a kensai/sword saint build. its very damaging, and very...costly, meanwhile something like frostbite or chill touch would imo workout better.

who gets 3k gold at level 1? im level 3 on my other char and just got to 450g. tho the DM usually offers quests for discounts or alternate ways to find gear.


yeah im just saying pearls of power are the best way of increasinf the limited spell pool of a magus/kensai

i dont like frostbite its just wrong! :-) just keep your shocking grasp for when you need it also dont forget the +3 on metal armors!
shocking grasp is the key spell for anny magus but if you want to change the theme go right ahead!


i dunno the ability to use a intensified frostbite, and being able to use it 1 time per level, vs being a one hit wonder with shocking grasp...

seems like more mileage out of frostbite, tho maybe not the wow factor.

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