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I was going to write a grandiose response to the posts that came after my initial irritation with entitled men crying reverse sexism whenever their privilege is threatened, but LazarX summed up everything I was going to say better than I could have.
You could fill several books - and in fact, people have - proving that fact. But there will always be those who will try to ignore very real problems by claiming to be the -actual- victims, and nobody is going to change anyone else's mind on a message board.
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Who cares which side has it worse?
What matters is we should stop this kind of behavior for EVERYONE. The ones who get it more AND the ones who get it less!!
And see my post again about why you SHOULD care. Because when you sincerely ask WHY does one or more group has it worse, you can start working on being part of the solution, instead of part of the problem.
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Men getting abused is a problem. However, it's a problem that is made worse by a patriarchal society that assumes that men are weak and pathetic when they are abused, and victim-blames them at least as much as women who get abused.
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And see my post again about why you SHOULD care. Because when you sincerely ask WHY does one or more group has it worse, you can start working on being part of the solution, instead of part of the problem.Who cares which side has it worse?
What matters is we should stop this kind of behavior for EVERYONE. The ones who get it more AND the ones who get it less!!
I don't buy it. Just because someone has it worse, as it were, doesn't mean it's okay that someone else experiences it less. I am for wiping things out such behavior completely, without the whys and wherefores.
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I don't buy it. Just because someone has it worse, as it were, doesn't mean it's okay that someone else experiences it less. I am for wiping things out such behavior completely, without the whys and wherefores.And see my post again about why you SHOULD care. Because when you sincerely ask WHY does one or more group has it worse, you can start working on being part of the solution, instead of part of the problem.Who cares which side has it worse?
What matters is we should stop this kind of behavior for EVERYONE. The ones who get it more AND the ones who get it less!!
Again, you're deflecting. No one is saying that any problems should be ignored, or made light of. However the delusionary position is saying that all problems are equivalent and the same.
I don't know why this comes up so much. Is it because men can only think of in terms of equivalence? Is it deep down they realise that the abuse that male gender inflicting on women is so disproportionately great that that they can only see addressing it by a revenge reversal is the redress that people are looking for?
If you really think that addressing the problems of women means turning our society into some form of man-hating Amazonia, all I can say is that you either have been watching too many Hercules/Xena Action Pack episodes, or deep down you realise just how badly women have been wronged.
Men getting abused is a problem. However, it's a problem that is made worse by a patriarchal society that assumes that men are weak and pathetic when they are abused, and victim-blames them at least as much as women who get abused.
But, like, everybody telling people bringing up the abuse on this thread that "they're a bunch of entitled whiners who are crying because their privilege is threatened" has nothing to do with that, of course.
It couldn't be that, despite their "enlightened views," they're still bought into that line of crap.
It has done a great job of shifting the discussion away from women, hasn't it.
Do you have a violin playing in the background? You really should.
I don't buy it. Just because someone has it worse, as it were, doesn't mean it's okay that someone else experiences it less. I am for wiping things out such behavior completely, without the whys and wherefores.And see my post again about why you SHOULD care. Because when you sincerely ask WHY does one or more group has it worse, you can start working on being part of the solution, instead of part of the problem.Who cares which side has it worse?
What matters is we should stop this kind of behavior for EVERYONE. The ones who get it more AND the ones who get it less!!
Again, you're deflecting. No one is saying that any problems should be ignored, or made light of. However the delusionary position is saying that all problems are equivalent and the same.
I don't know why this comes up so much. Is it because men can only think of in terms of equivalence? Is it deep down they realise that the abuse that male gender inflicting on women is so disproportionately great that that they can only see addressing it by a revenge reversal is the redress that people are looking for?
If you really think that addressing the problems of women means turning our society into some form of man-hating Amazonia, all I can say is that you either have been watching too many Hercules/Xena Action Pack episodes, or deep down you realise just how badly women have been wronged.
again? I'm sure this is the first time I've commented on this particular aspect of the conversation. Moreover I didn't say ANYTHING that you ascribe to me in that last sentence. I think you may be confusing me for someone else. I'm all for vengeance, and have no problem with an abusee getting back at an abuser with a higher level of violence, regardless of gender, race or sex.
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Men getting abused is a problem. However, it's a problem that is made worse by a patriarchal society that assumes that men are weak and pathetic when they are abused, and victim-blames them at least as much as women who get abused.
But, like, everybody telling people bringing up the abuse on this thread that "they're a bunch of entitled whiners who are crying because their privilege is threatened" has nothing to do with that, of course.
It couldn't be that, despite their "enlightened views," they're still bought into that line of crap.
WHOA! Hold up!
Okay, I never said anything about people being legitimately abused. That's a completely unfair characterization.
The OP made a point about men attacking a feminist blogger because she pointed out some of the more odious sexism that - while prevalent in all media - is particularly egregious in the video game market, since the target demographic is typically considered to be adolescent boys and young men.
Rather than addressing that, several posters completely ignored the very real issues about our treatment of women and instead said men are the ones who are REALLY discriminated against. They were insisting that there is a widespread institutional discrimination against men and that this discrimination against women was actually no big deal. That by taking steps to address this disparity between men and women we were actually guilty of REVERSE sexism.
That is entitlement speaking, and factually wrong besides. I stand by that.
After that, the conversation turned toward abused men. I've never said that a man who has been abused is just an entitled whiner. Again, though, another posted what a ridiculous argument this is. Feminists are not the people claiming men cannot be abused - it's typically a patriarchal attitude that insists a man never appear weak, in particular in his relationship with a woman, that creates an atmosphere that prevents these men from coming forward and treats them less seriously when they do.
Men getting abused is a problem. However, it's a problem that is made worse by a patriarchal society that assumes that men are weak and pathetic when they are abused, and victim-blames them at least as much as women who get abused.
But, like, everybody telling people bringing up the abuse on this thread that "they're a bunch of entitled whiners who are crying because their privilege is threatened" has nothing to do with that, of course.
It couldn't be that, despite their "enlightened views," they're still bought into that line of crap.WHOA! Hold up!
Okay, I never said anything about people being legitimately abused. That's a completely unfair characterization.
"I was going to write a grandiose response to the posts that came after my initial irritation with entitled men crying reverse sexism whenever their privilege is threatened, but LazarX summed up everything I was going to say better than I could have."
to whit,.....
"You can go around saying that there are wives who beat on their husbands, and you'd be correct. However if you try to establish an equivalence between that and the systemic problems of male abuse against women, you're posting from deep in Delusion Land. They ARE both problems, but they aren't equivalent problems."
My friend, the paramedic, had to cpr this guy whose wife slit his throat with a butcher knife. Every time he'd pump the chest, the blood would squirt out of his neck. I don't know, is that f%+!ing equivalent enough for you?
Wherupon...you can complain about unfair characterization all you want, but the message I get, and always get as a man, is "quit whining." THIS is that crap about the Patriarchy the paladin guy was talking about and guess what: you're all perpetuating it.
Oh, and real men don't hit women. PEACE!
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"I was going to write a grandiose response to the posts that came after my initial irritation with entitled men crying reverse sexism whenever their privilege is threatened, but LazarX summed up everything I was going to say better than I could have."
to whit,.....
"You can go around saying that there are wives who beat on their husbands, and you'd be correct. However if you try to establish an equivalence between that and the systemic problems of male abuse against women, you're posting from deep in Delusion Land. They ARE both problems, but they aren't equivalent problems."My friend, the paramedic, had to cpr this guy whose wife slit his throat with a butcher knife. Every time he'd pump the chest, the blood would squirt out of his neck. I don't know, is that f~!%ing equivalent enough for you?
1. Do you get whistled at by female construction workers on a regular baiss when you walk down a street?
2. Do you have a regular problem of sexual harassment by women and when you complain you're told that it's your fault because "you're dressed that way?"
3. How often do you walk down streets at night? Or maybe while jogging in a park with the thought that a man was raped by a woman last night, and that it might happen to you? Or that a man was struck down by a female wilding gang and his body was found two days later?
4. How often are you considered "bossy" because you followed the same effective leadership style you saw a female manager do?
5. How often have you been told that your role in a marriage should be that of a submissive helpmate to your female spouse?
6. Are you overcharged on a regular basis for auto repair by a female mechanic?
7. Have you compared clothing prices for men and women lately? How many
women's pants come with pockets? Have you thought about why?
8. Rutgers University's New Brunswick Campus had a report of 6 women raped on campus last year, compared to 4 in 1984, last year that I was on campus. Presumably you went to college at some point? How many reports of men raped by women did you come by?
No one here has said that there is no such thing as female violence or discrimination against men. But to equate occasional anecdotal reports of what are demonstrably freak incidents with the systemic NORMS that women face is nothing more than a stubborn willful denial of reality.
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"I was going to write a grandiose response to the posts that came after my initial irritation with entitled men crying reverse sexism whenever their privilege is threatened, but LazarX summed up everything I was going to say better than I could have."
to whit,.....
"You can go around saying that there are wives who beat on their husbands, and you'd be correct. However if you try to establish an equivalence between that and the systemic problems of male abuse against women, you're posting from deep in Delusion Land. They ARE both problems, but they aren't equivalent problems."My friend, the paramedic, had to cpr this guy whose wife slit his throat with a butcher knife. Every time he'd pump the chest, the blood would squirt out of his neck. I don't know, is that f~!%ing equivalent enough for you?
1. Do you get whistled at by female construction workers on a regular baiss when you walk down a street?
2. Do you have a regular problem of sexual harassment by women and when you complain you're told that it's your fault because "you're dressed that way?"
3. How often do you walk down streets at night? Or maybe while jogging in a park with the thought that a man was raped by a woman last night, and that it might happen to you? Or that a man was struck down by a female wilding gang and his body was found two days later?
4. How often are you considered "bossy" because you followed the same effective leadership style you saw a female manager do?
5. How often have you been told that your role in a marriage should be that of a submissive helpmate to your female spouse?
6. Are you overcharged on a regular basis for auto repair by a female mechanic?
7. Have you compared clothing prices for men and women lately? How many
women's pants come with pockets? Have you thought about why?8. Rutgers University's New Brunswick Campus had a report of 6 women raped on campus last year, compared to 4 in 1984, last year that I was on campus. Presumably you went...
wilding gang? Seriously? Did you copy and paste this from 1992?
Still, let's go down the list...
1. No. Still, to my last professional knowledge, someone doing that can be readily sued and cost their company a lot of money. That said, I live in NY, the rules may be different here.
2. Nope. I usually get offered free shirts when going to top less actually.
3. I was mugged several times in my life, most recently a few blocks away from my house. Each time has been a major upheaval, and it has taken me time to recover, most recently causing a lot of strife in my marriage. I've been cautious on all streets as a result. Still doesn't keep me from being mugged or from living my life.
4. Happens all the time. My supervisors, all of them female, can dish it out but not take it.
5. Due to the aforementioned strife, my wife is essentially taking over the budget. I will literally be bringing the money home and have little to no say how it is spent.
6. I don't own a car.
7. I don't compare prices, no, and I have no idea how many pockets women's pants have. This is rapidly going in weirdo conspiracy theory territory, at least with that last.
8. That is monstrous, and all guilty parties should be found, harshly punished, and the victims receive all available support on healing. I pray the perpetrators suffer.
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Men getting abused is a problem. However, it's a problem that is made worse by a patriarchal society that assumes that men are weak and pathetic when they are abused, and victim-blames them at least as much as women who get abused.
But, like, everybody telling people bringing up the abuse on this thread that "they're a bunch of entitled whiners who are crying because their privilege is threatened" has nothing to do with that, of course.
It couldn't be that, despite their "enlightened views," they're still bought into that line of crap.
People who use 'men are abused' as an excuse to downplay the abuse of women, or to claim that feminists hate men and want them to be abused, are part of the problem. So-called "Men's Rights Activists" fall into this category. They don't actually do anything to help abused men -- they just try to make life more difficult for feminists by bringing up abused men as a derailing tactic for discussions.
Hey, wait a minute...
If you're actually claiming 3 there is a relevant measurement of discrimination, well, let's just say that statistics all over the West are extremely clear: Men are subjected to FAR more street violence than women. True, they don't as often get raped, but honestly, taking a serious beating is not something you just leave behind you either. In the instances where men are raped, they have a significantly harder time dealing with it, with more PTSD and such as a result. Sexual violence from strangers is rare, both for men and women. However, the media are unceasingly painting the story that women aren't safe in the streets because assault rape while nothing ever happens to men out there.
Oh, and your question in 7: Because few women apparently prioritize pockets higher than other qualities of the pants when buying. Seriously, this IS weirdo conspiracy territory. Buy a pair of jeans if you want pockets, those were last I checked pretty available.
For example, job applications can be without photo, name or address, so judgements cannot be made on perceived race (some names are more likely to indicate race than others) or wealth (some areas are poorer than others).
When I applied for a job in the US, the last question on the questionnaire was "what is your race?"
I feel like I should add something to the topic, but to be honest, I don't know where to start.
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1. Do you get whistled at by female construction workers on a regular baiss when you walk down a street?
2. Do you have a regular problem of sexual harassment by women and when you complain you're told that it's your fault because "you're dressed that way?"
3. How often do you walk down streets at night? Or maybe while jogging in a park with the thought that a man was raped by a woman last night, and that it might happen to you? Or that a man was struck down by a female wilding gang and his body was found two days later?
4. How often are you considered "bossy" because you followed the same effective leadership style you saw a female manager do?
5. How often have you been told that your role in a marriage should be that of a submissive helpmate to your female spouse?
6. Are you overcharged on a regular basis for auto repair by a female mechanic?
7. Have you compared clothing prices for men and women lately? How many
women's pants come with pockets? Have you thought about why?8. Rutgers University's New Brunswick Campus had a report of 6 women raped on campus last year, compared to 4 in 1984, last year that I was on campus.
1. So is the problem with "men," or with these particular construction workers? None of the men in my acquaintance act the way you're describing.
2. No one I know of complains of sexual harrassment anymore -- the lawsuits seem to have, thankfully, put an end to it. I do know men who are terrified to speak to or smile around any female co-workers, however, lest it be used as an excuse to fire them.
3. Everyone should be cautious and avoid dark alleys -- that's just plain common sense.
4. Every time I act assertive, I get that. And if I played favorites or acted half as passive-aggressive as some of the female managers I've worked with, I'd have been fired years ago.
5. I've been told my only real purpose in existence is to provide sperm and money, and then shut the hell up.
6. I'm overcharged by pretty much all mechanics, regardless of gender.
7. How many men's purses are on sale? Have you seen what happens when a guy attempts to carry any small bag that could in any way be considered comparable?
8. That's six people at New Bruswick who are in desperate need of a prison sentence.
I have to wonder how many construction sites are there in typical population centers, that #1 is a serious issue? I mean, 3 guys in a town of 50,000 hardly seems something to consider a systemic problem. I realize the imagine is very stereotypical in movies and cartoons, but those rarely resemble reality.
I realize the imagine is very stereotypical in movies and cartoons, but those rarely resemble reality.
Wait, wait. You mean you don't hit people with hammers from Hammer Space all the time? No? Anyone? Huh, so it's just me then? Hm...
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I see the backlash is alive and well with some posters on this message board.
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I'd suggest that a desire to look at data and trends dispassionately, and to determine on a case-by-case basis which things are symptomatic of a larger problem and which are similar but unrelated problems, is not necessarily "backlash."
If someone says "None of these are problems," I'd think that person insane. When someone says, "all of these are part of a grand conspiracy," I also want to look at the pieces.
On just men vs women...
Men have (the arbitrarily made up number of) 2.0 "privilege points" (pay, safety, opportunity) in our society.
Women have fewer; let's call it 1.8 points.
Every time we fix a valid discrimination (which, fixing it is a good thing) against men, but not women, that gap widens.
Before we start fixing discrimination for everyone, let's level the playing field, first. That means that, while discrimination against men is still a real problem, discrimination against women is a bigger problem.
Nobody should be the victim of violence, obviously, and everyone has the same human rights...but let's make sure everyone has the same freedom to exercise those rights. Widening the privilege gap is not how we do this.
Credit to Jeff Dee (of DnD fame) for this argument.
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On just men vs women...
Men have (the arbitrarily made up number of) 2.0 "privilege points" (pay, safety, opportunity) in our society.
Women have fewer; let's call it 1.8 points.
Every time we fix a valid discrimination (which, fixing it is a good thing) against men, but not women, that gap widens.
Before we start fixing discrimination for everyone, let's level the playing field, first. That means that, while discrimination against men is still a real problem, discrimination against women is a bigger problem.
Nobody should be the victim of violence, obviously, and everyone has the same human rights...but let's make sure everyone has the same freedom to exercise those rights. Widening the privilege gap is not how we do this.
Credit to Jeff Dee (of DnD fame) for this argument.
it may just be my poor mood at the moment, but at lot of this-not just from you, but from everyone who ascribes to this line of thinking - is that violence against men or anyone perceived to be in power in any situation or particular society just doesn't matter. Statements like "Noone should experience this BUT" are the clincher for me. I want the guys who mugged me to suffer for it to maybe more than what's in accordance with the law. I want the guy who almost raped my sister in law to suffer, maybe more than what's in accordance with the law. I want the guy who attacked and gave a split lip to my boss at my second job just because he happened to be gay to suffer, maybe more than in accordance with the law. I want vengeance, but I will settle for justice. I have no problem with(sis in law and boss at second job) them getting justice before I do. But that shouldn't mean that my story gets handwaved away or that what happened to me doesn't matter. Or that there is some insane conspiracy that says because I'm a heterosexual black male I'm somehow encouraging the latter two situations and making up the former. I want justice for all, including myself. As I said, I have no problem waiting. But I still want justice if not vengeance FOR EVERYONE.
...it may just be my poor mood at the moment, but at lot of this-not just from you, but from everyone who ascribes to this line of thinking - is that violence against men or anyone perceived to be in power in any situation or particular society just doesn't matter. Statements like "Noone should experience this BUT" are the clincher for me. I want the guys who mugged me to suffer for it to maybe more than what's in accordance with the law. I want the guy who almost raped my sister in law to suffer, maybe more than what's in accordance with the law. I want the guy who attacked and gave a split lip to my boss at my second job just because he happened to be gay to suffer, maybe more than in accordance with the law. I want vengeance, but I will settle for justice. I have no problem with(sis in law and boss at second job) them getting justice before I do. But that shouldn't mean that my story gets handwaved away or that what happened to me doesn't matter. Or that there is some insane conspiracy that says because I'm a heterosexual black male I'm somehow encouraging the latter two situations and making up the former. I want justice for all, including myself. As I said, I haveOn just men vs women...
Men have (the arbitrarily made up number of) 2.0 "privilege points" (pay, safety, opportunity) in our society.
Women have fewer; let's call it 1.8 points.
Every time we fix a valid discrimination (which, fixing it is a good thing) against men, but not women, that gap widens.
Before we start fixing discrimination for everyone, let's level the playing field, first. That means that, while discrimination against men is still a real problem, discrimination against women is a bigger problem.
Nobody should be the victim of violence, obviously, and everyone has the same human rights...but let's make sure everyone has the same freedom to exercise those rights. Widening the privilege gap is not how we do this.
Credit to Jeff Dee (of DnD fame) for this argument.
Then. Just. F$%%ing. SAY. IT.
No "yeah, that's awful BUT"
No handwaving.
No implication that it's all patriarchys fault or that any suffering is somehow lesser because the person suffering it is privileged in some way.
The privilege perspective- or what it has become over the years-old is NOT HELPING here, it's driving people apart and making life difficult for everyone. And the people perpetrating the violence, the dishonesty, the fraud or what have you grow stronger off the fracturization.
Men are almost 4 times more likely to die violently as women.
Men are almost 4 times more likely to die violently as women, by the hands of other men.
FIFY
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Men are almost 4 times more likely to die violently as women, by the hands of other men.FIFY
Sooooo... lethal violence against men is not as much of a problem as lethal violence against women, because idiot men are the perpetrators in both cases? Men shouldn't take it so hard if they are subjected to lethal violence (I suppose this mostly concerns the loved ones they leave behind, though), after all it's just expected that men should take a bit of violence, but it's not okay if someone breaks the rules of gentlemanly behaviour and hits a woman? Or is it that if someone happens to be a man, they should know how to and train well enough to be able to defend themselves against at least three attackers, and be ready to do so at all times, and failing that shows the person never was a real man but a pathetic, snivelling weakling anyway?
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I really don't know what to say, Aranna.
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There are two almost entirely separate issues involved and it's easy to mix them.
One is justice for individual cases. The other is addressing the larger social issues that drive it. When I, and I believe others, talk about discrimination against women being a bigger problem than discrimination against men, we're talking about the larger social issue. Not saying "Don't bother punishing violent crimes against men". Prosecuting individual crimes is important, but it's not going to change the culture.
If someone with better qualifications doesn't get a job due to affirmative action programs, that IS an individual case. An individual case where someone is denied something due to, say, the colour of their skin, where the state supports an injustice against an individual. If someone gets beaten to within an inch of their life by someone else, that IS an individual case. An individual case where the state, depending on the gender of the victim, may choose to commit extra resources to do things like support the victim's recovery, research patterns in what happened and try to work against it, make sure the cops involved have education on how to help the victim feel understood and not challenged.
Talk about Justice all you want. If you refuse to see people as individuals even when they are victims of severe crimes or systematic discrimination, then nothing you say about justice is more than hot air.
Men are almost 4 times more likely to die violently as women, by the hands of other men.FIFYSooooo... lethal violence against men is not as much of a problem as lethal violence against women, because idiot men are the perpetrators in both cases? Men shouldn't take it so hard if they are subjected to lethal violence (I suppose this mostly concerns the loved ones they leave behind, though), after all it's just expected that men should take a bit of violence, but it's not okay if someone breaks the rules of gentlemanly behaviour and hits a woman? Or is it that if someone happens to be a man, they should know how to and train well enough to be able to defend themselves against at least three attackers, and be ready to do so at all times, and failing that shows the person never was a real man but a pathetic, snivelling weakling anyway?
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I really don't know what to say, Aranna.
Wow I can't believe this string of lies and slander. All I did was fix a misleading statistic posted by someone else and now somehow I am supposed to be saying violence against men is ok?! You owe me an apology.
The real issue is how do we help women have an equal voice in a male dominated world. How in ANY WAY is violence against men relevant toward improving the plight of women? Or are you somehow suggesting men's issues should take precedence EVEN in a thread about objectification of women? You want to solve the violent nature of many men fine that is a lofty goal but this isn't the place to do it. Why not start your own thread to cover violence against men?
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Why must things be separated at all?
America tried separate but equal. It didn't work, and not for the reasons most think of today. What's wrong here is wrong. Violence against women may be particularly odious, but violence against anyone is wrong. I'm all for helping the victims of violence, but I think creating a hierarchy where one type of violence is somehow worse isn't the right way to go about it.
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Rather than addressing that, several posters completely ignored the very real issues about our treatment of women and instead said men are the ones who are REALLY discriminated against. They were insisting that there is a widespread institutional discrimination against men and that this discrimination against women was actually no big deal. That by taking steps to address this disparity between men and women we were actually guilty of REVERSE sexism.
I don't see anyone saying this. I don't think that it's a competition to see which arbitrary group suffers most, so organise discrimination against the other lot.
Simply stopping discrimination would work universally, if it could be done. We wouldn't need to keep discriminating against some groups until the imaginary scales are balanced, simply treat people right
Of course this is easier said than done, but the sooner we start the sooner we'll get there.
You can label it how you like: 'reverse discrinination', 'affirmative action', these are just euphemisms for discrimination. If we want a fair society, where we have equality of opportunity, mutual respect, reward based on merit, etc. then we can only achieve this by getting most people, especially most people who have the power and the wealth at the moment, to realise what is right and what is wrong. Our only chance to get the powerful to share some of their power is by getting them to want to do the right thing, and that we all want to do the right thing.
We cannot achieve this by doing the wrong thing! Treating them as badly as others have been treated in the past is not going to get support from those with power; quite the opposite! You'll get a backlash!
Get the powerful on side, and the way to do that is show that we all, powerful and powerless alike, benefit from doing the right thing.
Honestly, do you think that the way to teach a child that violence is wrong is to beat the lesson into him each night?
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How about we sto worrying about our little groups getting more/better and start worrying that ALL humans, regardless of color, what dangles between their legs or how they use those bits, CAN AND ARE being abused and getting a raw deal. Stop trying to get more for your tribe and try to end suffering itself.
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I don't believe that black people or women are less intelligent or intrinsically less capable than white people or men. This used to be believed, but we've moved beyond that.
So, why do black people (for example) need extra help? Why do they, as a group, get lower grades? It's not because they are less intelligent, but because of social, economic and cultural factors.
I fully support the idea of levelling the playing field by providing programs that allow a good education for all. But it would be wrong for this help to be aimed at 'black people', it should be aimed at those whose socio-economic circumstances would prevent them getting that education, since that is the problem not skin colour. And I support this even knowing that the majority of those who would benefit from such programs are black.
Because the skin colour should not be the basis of how we treat people.
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Rather than addressing that, several posters completely ignored the very real issues about our treatment of women and instead said men are the ones who are REALLY discriminated against. They were insisting that there is a widespread institutional discrimination against men and that this discrimination against women was actually no big deal. That by taking steps to address this disparity between men and women we were actually guilty of REVERSE sexism.I don't see anyone saying this. I don't think that it's a competition to see which arbitrary group suffers most, so organise discrimination against the other lot.
Simply stopping discrimination would work universally, if it could be done. We wouldn't need to keep discriminating against some groups until the imaginary scales are balanced, simply treat people right
Of course this is easier said than done, but the sooner we start the sooner we'll get there.
The problem with that is that the easy part to stop is the "reverse discrimination". The affirmative action type programs could be wiped out with a simple stroke of the legislative pen.
And there it would stop or a least grind to a crawl. Because addressing the ingrained social discrimination is hard and will take generations. Meanwhile, with the deck still stacked against them and no legal protections remaining, groups that face discrimination will fall further back.
You mean having equal legal protection? What is this deck and how is it inherently stacked against anyone?