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Women Fighters In Reasonable Armour.
IIRC they have a wonderful Comparison on Fantasy Armor Depictions.
And wonderful Images for inspirations.
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On the topic of levity and scantily clad women, be sure to watch this College Humor video if you've never seen it: Female armor sucks
(Warning! Some images are NSFW!)Some?
Well the "video store" does get upset about one or two of those.
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Women Fighters In Reasonable Armour.
IIRC they have a wonderful Comparison on Fantasy Armor Depictions.
And wonderful Images for inspirations.
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Thank you so much. I always have to spend three times as long looking for pictures of female characters that are wearing armor than I do anything else! This blog is great.
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(Warning! Some images are NSFW!)Some?
Some are skimpy, while some just can't be reasoned with.
Of course...
Or we could stop preaching and look at the data, which speak for themselves. If you want to become a CEO, be a tall male. If you're female, chances are you won't make it. If you're a short (5'7" or under) male, ditto.
Luckily, if, despite the gender bias againt it, a female does become CEO, though, her salary will be a lot higher than her male competitors' -- to the tune of +40% and rising. I'd assume that the few short guys who become CEOs also demand high salaries to make up for the rockier climb.
Speaking of wonderful images for inspirations (albeit not necessarily the same kind of inspirations): Female Fighters in Unreasonable Armor.
(Warning! Some images are NSFW!)
Some of those could be reasonable considering how the Hellenistic Armours were. Or At least consider it Parade Armour.
Women Fighters In Reasonable Armour.
Good link. I particularly like the illustration of why a sculpted breastplate is a bad idea: cracked sternum = game-over.
Seelah's is badly sculpted. Some are reasonable though I think that blog has a V-Necked Armour that is reasonable if you think of it as a Parade Armour.
Women Fighters In Reasonable Armour.Good link. I particularly like the illustration of why a sculpted breastplate is a bad idea: cracked sternum = game-over.
Yes, but as the blog points out a few pages back with their example of historical roman armor, its not unreasonable to see a small amount of clevage built into the armor. Historically it happened, with nipples and six pack sculpted abs and all.
I thought it was Greek... Roman Armour is more akin to Banded Mail...
Yep, one of my friends used to own just such a breastplate for when he'd don his Roman reenactment gear (although he preferred his lorica segmentata). Also, there a big difference between a slight indention for pecs and what would have a profile closer to that of a log-splitter for 'deep cleavage'.
Am I the only one that understands why having Asymmetrical Armour on the Shield Side is the smart choice?
I'm not denying that short and bald hurts your chances. Statistically speaking, being female is worse.
Well, it all depends on how you look at the data. If you look at the promotions in the last decade, females look a lot better than they do overall, but bald hasn't improved. Also, if you are female and go to the EOC you might get a case. If you are bald, you'll get laughed out of the office.
Bald discrimination has been going on forever. Why do you think our founding fathers wore wigs?
One of these days the bald will rise! The hairy ones will rue the day!
Bald men run ~120 companies in the Fortune 500.
Women run 7.
Yes, but as the blog points out a few pages back with their example of historical roman armor, its not unreasonable to see a small amount of clevage built into the armor. Historically it happened, with nipples and six pack sculpted abs and all.Women Fighters In Reasonable Armour.Good link. I particularly like the illustration of why a sculpted breastplate is a bad idea: cracked sternum = game-over.
Historically? OK, I realize it's not women's armor, but... sheesh.
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May I point out that our reasonable lady in armor has no greaves, just bare legs, and there is a rather important artery that is in the thigh. There is a line between reality and art, but it’s obvious the portrayal is saying shapely leg is more important that the armor doing what armor is supposed to do, keep your blood inside of you and what not.
How some of my ancestors fought:.
No fancy greave armour there, and they beat the hell out of the British Army for years.
By the way, I bags NOT being the one to go tell them their choice of fighting dress was over sexualised cheesecake and fanservice.
Good choice there. Tribe and tech have allot to do with avoiding cheesecakeness. IMO its only cheesecake when the skin is showing or the bust is super pushed up for no practical reason. Example Xena leaves her entire upper chest unprotected as a WARRIOR princess. Your (Shifty) ancestors bore their tattoo's like knights bare armor. Always thought any man hard enough to endure that sort of facial tattoo is best given the utmost respect.
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Yet when we depict the women (tribal eg Papuans, Aboriginal) running about in artistic mediums, they mysteriously cover their breasts with strips of clothing which they didn't do irl... hmmm delicate western sensibilities... hmmm :p
That's just one of the many hangups we westerns have. I for one find it a bit ridiculous. Besides I'm Celtic, some of my ancestors ran into battle with nothing but woad and their swords.
Also I want to know what armorer takes those cheesecake orders. I can see it now. "Ok, I want plate armor, but I want to ensure that my bust and really shapely thighs are visible, they intimidate the enemy you know." Armorer "so that's what the kids are calling it these days."
@GM_Beernorg: What reasonable lady are you referring to? And the Celts never wore Woad! That is a Fallacy born out of Caesar's writings! Woad was used as temporary Ceremonial Markings. Woad Blue Coloured Tattoos were fairly common but they were not made with Woad Dye. They typically used Pelts and their Weapons.
The Armourer would probably think of it as Parade or Ceremonial Armour.
Funny that, the other 'mix' in the ancestry is Scottish. A lot of Scots and Irish ended up in NZ and took local wives (and husbands!) as a byproduct of the Maori wars and early colonisation.
So yeah, plenty of other extended bits of the family were running around the lowlands of Scotland as border reivers - welcome to the West March.
Sorry bout that, reasonable example here, it was your in fact sir:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq7lljHk3x1qhfqimo1_500.jpg
Also excellent point about the hows and whats of Celts, Romans played up the barbarian part, as we all know, silly Romans. A good part of all of those descriptions is biased.
Also feel I need to mention how much I wish I were in NZ, some of the best fly fishing in the world and what not. Also hell of a lovely country.
How some of my ancestors fought:.
No fancy greave armour there, and they beat the hell out of the British Army for years.
By the way, I bags NOT being the one to go tell them their choice of fighting dress was over sexualised cheesecake and fanservice.
My Pictish ancestors fought similarly. Fun fact.
This entire thread makes me want to run a tribal low tech game and invite some of my most uptight friends to play.
Ahhh I was lucky enough to be born and raised in Australia, its like NZ, but everything tries to kill you here.
Ahh, down under, the continent where everything seems to be poisonous.
I am playing in one called Iron in the Snow. I have also ran some of them. They are fun.
And that Lady is probably close to a Ranger or Druid. Remember Metal is not the only option available. So she seems to be wearing Leather Cuirass, Cloth Bracers, and Cloth/Leather Leggings. Heck, just use Piecemeal Armour and there you go.
Indeed, let us all do as the killer brain thing :) asks. I shall indeed continue with my previous rant. Piecemeal is a good point, did not think of that. However my point remains, I am pretty sure that's skin, thus heading out into the wild with basically no pants even. May be knit picking, but I like my armor ducks in a row so to speak. On some level this comes down to preference and reality levels expected in a game. Even I am not immune to the charms of the likes of Red Sonja.
It is also indeed possible I am mistaking leather leggings for skin. If this is so, then I retract my statements about the lack of greaves.
If you look she has leggings. Now her upper thighs might be exposed. But look at the Hellenistic Cultures. They wore a similar configuration. She has a shield as well.
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And their Female Warriors are the Epitome of Scantily Clad Heroines...
That I cannot argue with..
Will mention however that Romans have several types of armor, lorica segmentata (the banded style), lorica hamata (basically a chain shirt) and lorica squamata (a form of scale mail). To lend credence to my point that our love of scantily clad warrior women is a product culture, let us posit that a woman wearing any of these would be nearly indistinguishable from a man. No frills no thrills and no wiles while wearing such things. Would such a depiction sell well or be attractive to a large portion of gamers, likely that is a no. All this really shows is that sex sells, but as I did remark before, we all like a bit of cheesecake now and then, its delicious.
True. Though Chain Mail might show the differences. Merisiel's Armour is fairly reasonable despite showing Cleavage. Especially considering it is Leather Armour. Which could be just a Heavy Leather Shirt.
And cheesecake...
One part of this that doesn't often come up is the fatigue and heating that any kind of heavy armour brings. Whatever armour was, it was heavy to wear. In a military campaign, you got to wear the armour on the march as well, except for some people who asked the would be ambushers to wait while they donned their armour. Thus, wearing lighter armour, even at the cost of leaving your legs unprotected, was often an acceptable choice. Cavalry changed some of this, of course, letting heavily armoured warriors reach their enemies, but still...
Sissyl, don't go there.
You will just summon the posters who claim that full plate is as comfortable as a tshirt, that you can do acrobatics and backflips in it, and even swim yada yada. They'll even post hokey video of really diodgy looking armour worn by ultraunfit guys as 'proof'.
Its the Euro equivalent of the Katanafanbois.
It doesn't matter. Let them march for a day with a full plate on, and THEN I will listen to their arguments. Even between ragged, heaving breaths. That you can actually do backflips wearing one is not relevant. Indeed, it is obvious you can move in them and even do strenuous activity, or they would make a pretty big sitting duck on the battlefield. Take a look at a fireman, if you will. Helmet. Police in riot outfit? Helmet, kevlar vest and shield. There isa reason for this. Andyou don't have to be an albadian sorceress whose magic produces waste heat to appreciate this.
Not to mention that swinging a weapon is going to get tiresome, especially the larger it is. We tend to gloss over these facts in tabletop/RPG.
Ahh, down under, the continent where everything seems to be poisonous.
My favorite description of Australia comes from Cracked.
Australia: Nature's End Boss Level.
It doesn't matter. Let them march for a day with a full plate on, and THEN I will listen to their arguments.
Preach it Sister :)
It doesn't matter. Let them march for a day with a full plate on, and THEN I will listen to their arguments. Even between ragged, heaving breaths. That you can actually do backflips wearing one is not relevant. Indeed, it is obvious you can move in them and even do strenuous activity, or they would make a pretty big sitting duck on the battlefield. Take a look at a fireman, if you will. Helmet. Police in riot outfit? Helmet, kevlar vest and shield. There isa reason for this. Andyou don't have to be an albadian sorceress whose magic produces waste heat to appreciate this.
I wore much more than a helmet when I was a firefighter. That was the biggest firm piece of protection, but it was probably close to 50-60 lbs of protective gear/breathing equipment.
Side note- I was a team leader, so I got to hold the NFTI, a thermal imager. Good up to around 200ft and could easily display a difference as low as 4°F. Those guys you see in the reflective fire fighter suits are so well insulated that they pretty much disappear as they appear the same temperature as the air around them. The biggest tell tale was their SCBA air tank and some of the tubing, as the compressed air would significantly cool it as it expanded.