How do you save vs a bard's performs?


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I am starting a level 1 bard for the first time. His performances say that bad guys must save vs his perform. I have no idea what that means... please explain to me like I'm forrest gump. thanks.


Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 bard’s level + bard’s Cha modifier)


that's for his spellcasting saves. But his performances say it's a difference save that literally saves vs his performance skill.


No, that is the general save for bardic performance. Which ability do you have in mind? Can you post it here?

If it specifically says against his perform skill result, then you roll a perform check and that sets the DC.


no, thats not what it says.

the only level 1 performance that requires enemies to make a save is fascinate, and I'll quote the text for you.

Quote:
Each creature within range receives a Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 the bard’s level + the bard’s Cha modifier) to negate the effect. If a creature’s saving throw succeeds, the bard cannot attempt to fascinate that creature again for 24 hours.

edit: also, the previous formula is NOT for his spellcasting, which follows the normal 10+spell level+casting mod formula that all other spellcasting does


Ooga wrote:
that's for his spellcasting saves. But his performances say it's a difference save that literally saves vs his performance skill.

read through the bard class again, trust me, what I've posted is accurate

Ah

might help if you told us you were looking at the distraction performance ;)

which either uses the save I posted OR the result of your perform check if its higher as described. either way its a will save.


Phasics wrote:
Ooga wrote:
that's for his spellcasting saves. But his performances say it's a difference save that literally saves vs his performance skill.

read through the bard class again, trust me, what I've posted is accurate

Ah

might help if you told us you were looking at the distraction performance ;)

which either uses the save I posted OR the result of your perform check if its higher as described. either way its a will save.

actually incorrect about distraction. distraction is used on allies, not enemies, to give them a different/additional save vs illusions and such, and so they can use THEIR save, or your perform check, whichever is higher.


Weables wrote:
Phasics wrote:
Ooga wrote:
that's for his spellcasting saves. But his performances say it's a difference save that literally saves vs his performance skill.

read through the bard class again, trust me, what I've posted is accurate

Ah

might help if you told us you were looking at the distraction performance ;)

which either uses the save I posted OR the result of your perform check if its higher as described. either way its a will save.

actually incorrect about distraction. distraction is used on allies, not enemies, to give them a different/additional save vs illusions and such, and so they can use THEIR save, or your perform check, whichever is higher.

NFI what he's talking about at 1st level then

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