I was looking for a post in the long-locked Save vs Sexism thread, but then I remembered it got deleted.
It was one where a certain poster said that girls who cosplay should learn to cover up if they don't want to be groped.
It was one where a certain poster said that girls who cosplay should learn to cover up if they don't want to be groped.
What a joker.
Why did you need the post though?
Oh, just a reference of similar behavior, albeit in a different vein. I'm sure I could find a different example in that thread, but I don't feel like digging through an old 22-page thread to find it.
If people argued rationally we'd quickly eliminate the politicians.
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Iranian woman too pretty to hold office.
That's pretty hilarious.
I mean, she's a 7 at best.*rimshot*
We already know what happens if George Zimmerman had been black, he'd have gotten 20 years.
I wonder how different the whole Zimmerman scenario would have been if Trayvon was white, or jewish...We'd never know because it wouldn't have gotten any media attention.
One person walking right past another in a car generally doesn't.
We already know what happens if George Zimmerman had been black, he'd have gotten 20 years.Agreed. I'm willing to bet that George wouldn't have been released without charge if Travyvon had been white either. Honestly though, until the verdict, I wouldn't have thought this a racist trial. I didn't think Zimmerman was a racist, and although he was clearly doing some racial profiling, I didn't think that the killing was racially motivated.
To me this was always a guns issue. If Zimmerman hadn't had a handgun I doubt he would have followed Trayvon on foot and most likely nobody would have been killed. Can't say with 100% certainty but it's a very safe bet.
Actually, statistically, if Zimmerman had been black (as well as Martin) he would have been more likely to get off with a claim of stand your ground.
Iranian woman too pretty to hold office.
I don't recall if this made it to the thread last time, but:
All-Male Iowa Supreme Court Rules Firing Of Woman For Being Too Attractive Was Legal
Actually, statistically, if Zimmerman had been black (as well as Martin) he would have been more likely to get off with a claim of stand your ground.We already know what happens if George Zimmerman had been black, he'd have gotten 20 years.Agreed. I'm willing to bet that George wouldn't have been released without charge if Travyvon had been white either. Honestly though, until the verdict, I wouldn't have thought this a racist trial. I didn't think Zimmerman was a racist, and although he was clearly doing some racial profiling, I didn't think that the killing was racially motivated.
To me this was always a guns issue. If Zimmerman hadn't had a handgun I doubt he would have followed Trayvon on foot and most likely nobody would have been killed. Can't say with 100% certainty but it's a very safe bet.
Just curious where you're getting your statistical analysis from. From what I understand there are only 116 cases, which statistically speaking, isn't a very large sample size. Especially when you have to break it down by all the relevant variables in a homicide, of which there are at least 15+. You could certainly apply math to the numbers and have results, but it wouldn't be enough to make accurate predictions.
I do think overall the justice system is a bit more fair than most people give it credit for. I think much more relevant is how people talked about the case and where they picked their side and why.
America, f~++ yeah!
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America, killer of old men and going global with the news, only to not provide any shred of evidence of what they did before burning the corpse and dumping the ashes at sea.
Yeah. Toe to toe. At least it doesn't mummify its dead presidents. Statues are a teensy bit more tasteful. =)
I would not say the political climate is heated. We are Swedes. We don't fight publicly much. It is actively discouraged. Nevertheless, there is a dissatisfaction with our immigration policies, for various reasons, and when any of that reaches the public arena, the establishment (ALL or old political parties) start screaming racist. This led to a xenophobic party getting into the parliament last election, with seven percent of the votes or so. Turns out three percent of swedish muslims sympathize with them too.
Yeah, I've been reading about this. And Geert Wilders of course (who featured as an honourary general in my Sargavan game).
The R word is used a lot, but the problems are there and the public of multiple European countries are not happy with what is not being done.
Good luck Sweden.
America, killer of old men and going global with the news, only to not provide any shred of evidence of what they did before burning the corpse and dumping the ashes at sea.
Yeah. Toe to toe. At least it doesn't mummify its dead presidents. Statues are a teensy bit more tasteful. =)
Jobbers Par Excellence.
I hear their political authority is flagging:http://www.meforum.org/3590/manage-without-us
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India's Incredibly Powerful “Abused Goddesses” Campaign Condemns Domestic Violence.
Big TW for (faux) images of DV. But they're powerful images indeed.
DV I figured out, but what's TW?
Thank you.
[Adds "TW" next to "intersectionality" and "cisgendered" in the "feminist terms to use to impress the ladies" category]
Heroes of Revolutionary Socialism
Dr. Henry Morgentaler, Holocaust survivor, abortion provider, champion of women's rights
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Interesting article, thanks Comrade!
That reminds me... I was speaking with a friend of mine the other day; she's about to start her thesis paper on the history of dating in Australia. Anyway, she was telling me about the history of "backyard abortions", which I found absolutely fascinating.
She was saying that apparently, before it was really cracked down upon, the incidences of death from them were actually pretty low. A pregnant woman would go to a midwife who would perform whatever's needed, and in 9/10 cases that would be it. In the 1/10 cases that there was a problem, she'd take you to the doctor, and he'd fix you up, no questions asked.
She argued that the push against backyard abortions was actually oddly patriarchal, with the primarily male doctors wanting to take control of what was a primarily female industry at the time. The scare stories were ramped up and the law cracked down against it. Ironically, or perhaps sadly predictably, cracking down upon backyard abortions caused more deaths... because a woman who had complications was now too scared to go to the doctor in fear of being arrested. She mentioned that many women who had complications would be shocked by it; "But this is my third or fourth time! The last ones had no problems!" It's something everyone knew about and did if necessary... the worst kept secret, so to speak.
(Also interesting is that she said that apparently it was considered less of a sin to abort than it was to take contraception. You only sinned when you aborted, whereas you sinned every time you took contraception... so, you know, it was much less sinful to abort once in a while than to take contraception every time you had sex. Funny, really.)
(Also interesting is that she said that apparently it was considered less of a sin to abort than it was to take contraception. You only sinned when you aborted, whereas you sinned every time you took contraception... so, you know, it was much less sinful to abort once in a while than to take contraception every time you had sex. Funny, really.)
Hee hee!
That is pretty funny.
An article that was linked on that page.
I like the image of people complaining about how their instagram account got banned, because they shared a photo of a 17 y/o girl performing oral sex... somehow they think it's the girls fault.
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Great article about the question of "merit" when it comes to political appointments.
"Until men are actually promoted on merit, there’s no reason why women should have to be."
"Quotas are not new. Indeed, until relatively recently, there was a worldwide 100% quota that reserved all positions of power, authority and privilege for men."
Side contextual note: This is a mostly acerbic response to our newest Prime Minister having exactly one woman in his cabinet of twenty, but I believe applies just as well to pretty much every old institution of its kind.
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Reminds me of the reaction of the city of Dortmund. When they couldn't throw out the fascists group that rented a number of rooms in a house the city owned, the city did this. The banner say 'You will be past, our demoracy will live'.
I had one of those 'curious comment' moments.
Talking to 13 year old gamer girls, their biggest concern was not 'the guys' or any of the other usual concerns we hear about on these boards (creepy behaviour, social conflict etc) no their big issue was 'if their schoolmates knew'.
Apparently they were more worried by social blow-back from their peers, not a single one cared about the imagery, the people around them etc, if anything they just thought that was geek culture, no it was their classmates and the potential 'OMG you totes what?'. Talking Anime is considered a little edgy, gaming is a bridge too far.
We already know what happens if George Zimmerman had been black, he'd have gotten 20 years.Agreed. I'm willing to bet that George wouldn't have been released without charge if Travyvon had been white either. Honestly though, until the verdict, I wouldn't have thought this a racist trial. I didn't think Zimmerman was a racist, and although he was clearly doing some racial profiling, I didn't think that the killing was racially motivated.
To me this was always a guns issue. If Zimmerman hadn't had a handgun I doubt he would have followed Trayvon on foot and most likely nobody would have been killed. Can't say with 100% certainty but it's a very safe bet.
I dont know a lot about this case, but just what exactly would have prevented Zimmerman from having a gun? Either he is a law abiding citizen who would only shoot a criminal and out of nescesity, or he isnt a law abiding citizen, and would not worry about whether guns are legal. Most gun crimes are commited with illegal firearms anyway (citing discussions from multiple police officers from two different states, one of whom is also a sociologist).
I dont know a lot about this case, but just what exactly would have prevented Zimmerman from having a gun? Either he is a law abiding citizen who would only shoot a criminal and out of nescesity, or he isnt a law abiding citizen, and would not worry about whether guns are legal.
Except it isn't either or, as just because someone is criminally minded they don't necessarily default to gun-totting bandit status. Most criminals understand that their criminal activities will get them into a lot more trouble if they do them whilst carrying a gat.
You only tool up when you have to (and that's when you plan on using weapon).
I had one of those 'curious comment' moments.
Talking to 13 year old gamer girls, their biggest concern was not 'the guys' or any of the other usual concerns we hear about on these boards (creepy behaviour, social conflict etc) no their big issue was 'if their schoolmates knew'.
Apparently they were more worried by social blow-back from their peers, not a single one cared about the imagery, the people around them etc, if anything they just thought that was geek culture, no it was their classmates and the potential 'OMG you totes what?'. Talking Anime is considered a little edgy, gaming is a bridge too far.
Clearly this one anecdote proves that gender issues are a thing of the past and no one ever has to worry about them ever again. I'm so glad that's over.
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Clearly this one anecdote proves that gender issues are a thing of the past and no one ever has to worry about them ever again. I'm so glad that's over.I had one of those 'curious comment' moments.
Talking to 13 year old gamer girls, their biggest concern was not 'the guys' or any of the other usual concerns we hear about on these boards (creepy behaviour, social conflict etc) no their big issue was 'if their schoolmates knew'.
Apparently they were more worried by social blow-back from their peers, not a single one cared about the imagery, the people around them etc, if anything they just thought that was geek culture, no it was their classmates and the potential 'OMG you totes what?'. Talking Anime is considered a little edgy, gaming is a bridge too far.
C'mon, Irontruth, I'm pretty sure that's not what Shifty was saying.
C'mon, Irontruth, I'm pretty sure that's not what Shifty was saying.
Newp, but if anyone says anything contra to the One-Truth there has to be upset and hysteria.
They don't care about the creepy geek culture, they just don't want anyone to know they have anything to do with geek culture.
Once again, why do you always feel the need to add things? They don't find anything creepy about it, just geeky.
But of course, once again, that doesn't suit a certain point of view.
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For younger kids, it's probably entirely correct that they are more worried about being seen as a "geek" than they are about sexual harassment and such. At least I'd bloody well hope so.
I think there is also an unfortunate side effect of things like the culture of video games - you grow up being completely used to kitchen jokes and so forth. You might even find them funny. Probably because everyone else laughs so you assume that's what's supposed to be funny...
As someone who spent a little too much time on 4chan for my own good during my early teenage years, you can be sure I had some weiiiird ideas of things that today I just shake my head at. It also exposed me to some pretty awesome things too, but man did I think, do, and say some crazy problematic things.
You just can't be allowed to think problematic things, Alice. What would that look like, if every Tom, Dick and Harry went thinking problematic thoughts? No. Just no.
Oh yes, they all know the 'sammich'/kitchen meme, but they laugh at it in a 'what a d***head' kinda way, they usually identify that sort of behaviour with the kids their age that play COD.
4chan is a strange place - it amazes me what goes through some peoples heads.
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On the topic of gender politics and video games, has anyone played Analogue: A Hate Story? I played through it all the other night in one sitting because it was so compelling. It's good stuff.
The short version: it's a non-linear visual novel type game that explores a Neo-Confucian Korean society, and in particular, the women who lived there and the crap they dealt with. It is, to put it lightly, not an easy read at parts; I actually teared up at times, and one section (dealing with lesbianism) hurt a little too much for me to handle and I had to take a break from the game for a while. However, it is a rare video game that seriously looks at various aspects of the life of women, especially those who are living in a society where they are seen as little more than objects that create sons. Everything from independence/submissiveness, love and loneliness (especially in a loveless marriage), womanly expectations, miscarriage, and even the pleasure of sex. Not topics you see brought up often!
The game gives a quote early on, to explain the society they live in:
"Namjeon yeobi - Men are honoured, women are abased."
Pretty moving (and painful) stuff.
... I'm absolutely ITCHING for someone to talk to about this game. None of my friends have played it yet. >_<
I have seen mentions of it, and read up on the plot and such. It is a pretty harsh experience as a game, that I agree with.
I guess my only complaint with it (and the series of games as a whole) is that it sometimes came off as excessively heavy-handed about the lesson it had been giving to me. Sure, the society the women had lived in was horrible (and such does occur IRL too which makes it even worse), but I feel like the game wanted me to hate the fact that I'm male which just doesn't sit right with someone who wants equal rights for both genders.
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Not something I really got from it (but of course I'm not a man, so YMMV).
I think it was more trying to blame things the society than a gender, really. After all, it's made abundantly clear that even the women buy into it all.
There's also the man *Mute was sad died (I forget his name; one of the Smith men who died of alcoholism). Now, *Mute's perspective is a little... warped, but still, she was adamant that he was a good guy.
I guess the fact is that everyone lives within their own social context and you can't really blame them for doing so.
... That said, I found the aforementioned section about lesbianism to be pretty damn stinging. I know that the author is being completely factual and true to the setting when she wrote what she did, but holy wow did it hurt. :(
C'mon, Irontruth, I'm pretty sure that's not what Shifty was saying.Clearly this one anecdote proves that gender issues are a thing of the past and no one ever has to worry about them ever again. I'm so glad that's over.I had one of those 'curious comment' moments.
Talking to 13 year old gamer girls, their biggest concern was not 'the guys' or any of the other usual concerns we hear about on these boards (creepy behaviour, social conflict etc) no their big issue was 'if their schoolmates knew'.
Apparently they were more worried by social blow-back from their peers, not a single one cared about the imagery, the people around them etc, if anything they just thought that was geek culture, no it was their classmates and the potential 'OMG you totes what?'. Talking Anime is considered a little edgy, gaming is a bridge too far.
I'm sorry, maybe I'm wrong.
Shifty has a history of being highly critical of anyone discussing something that doesn't match his own personal experience, particularly when it comes to gender issues. He likes to point out that he doesn't see these issues happening, so they must not actually be a big deal and aren't important enough to really discuss.